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and Schumer and Pelosi and are speaking then thinking ... same effect?

You missed the point; the US Citizen is protected and redacted unless a higher authority approves the "unveiling". That would be at the cabinet level and unless they deliberately key BO in the dark (unlikely given his penchant for electronic surveillance )... Obama was all about expansion.

As for Birth Cert ... could care less.

What are you talking about? You're not making sense. Please use complete sentences and fully formed thoughts.

> As for Birth Cert ... could care less

"You could care less" means you care. There is an amount you care, which could be less. Personally I care because it shows you that the President lies and shouldn't be trusted as an information source.
 
What are you talking about? You're not making sense. Please use complete sentences and fully formed thoughts.

> As for Birth Cert ... could care less

"You could care less" means you care. There is an amount you care, which could be less. Personally I care because it shows you that the President lies and shouldn't be trusted as an information source.

Go back and read my original post you commented on, add in my reply to you and you will garner the thread.

As for the Cert, I don't care about it at all. It was immaterial.
 
Go back and read my original post you commented on, add in my reply to you and you will garner the thread.

No, thanks. Your poor grammar and incoherent sentences make it too difficult. Not really worth my time.
 
I suppose this is what you get for trying to be "secure from everyone, including the law"

Although its privacy by Apple, look at what happened with the FBI case,,, Apple refused to unlock evidence of something, so wouldn't that justify the means to say "well, if u won't co-oporate, we'll do this, we'll develop our own way (CIA)" ?

I think it does, That's how things work today anyway don't they... It's a cat and mouse game.

We don't just all abide by copy protection either if we don't like it, we get around it... so why shouldn't the same principal apply here ? We want to to be the best at security, and there is no company that can say "You will never touch us" There's always a way.... If Apple can't do it, then someone else can.
 
its only destruction if u choose to let it be a destruction.... I call is being smart... There is nothing wrong with not giving up what u don't want.... some say it's paranoia... but guess who complains where their data is got at duriing a hack on iCloud? it won't be me . so there is all the proof u need.
 
I find Wikileaks timing of this all too convenient. They've released this to take the heat off of the Russian investigations.

Its just a another diversion for Trump.


Really!?

I think you are confused about what a democracy is.

Whoever revealed the mendacity of the Clinton Machine was serving democracy as are the people who reveal how much our governments act against our best interest.

If you think that because you have done nothing wrong (an extremely unlikely situation) you are invulnerable to this sort of hacking, consider this. When your representative in the government has blackmail hanging over him from some dodgy corporation who happen to have some dirt on him, do you think he will be legislating on your behalf or on the behalf of those who have a figurative knife at his throat?

Without privacy democracy is ****ed and if anyone tells you different they are either a moron, a shill or a crook.
 
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Why does that matter?

I've NEVER understood the "well, we've set up a surveillance state unmatched by the rest of the world, violating several laws including an amendment of the Constitution.....but at least we're not in the Congo right?"

Either America ACTS like the beacon of democracy and freedom that it claims to be, or it's not. There is no relativity argument to be made when it comes to massive state surveillance.
Massive surveillance, sure, due primarily to the U.S. population of approx 324 million people. (That's a lot of things to keep tabs on.) No reason to get salty though, I'm pretty sure the government isn't too concerned about your private Snap Chats or Facebook DMs.
 
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Massive surveillance, sure, due primarily to the U.S. population of approx 324 million people. (That's a lot of things to keep tabs on.) No reason to get salty though, I'm pretty sure the government isn't too concerned about your private Snap Chats or Facebook DMs.


You do understand this kind of reasoning is why Trump won the election?
 
How about this, I don't care. IF the government is spying on it's own citizens, I have nothing to hide and I'm not a terrorist.
'But you should care......even if you have nothing to hide, do you really want the government to know everything about you? I may not matter now, but in 10 years you want something and a ping comes back.....denying you whatever you wanted because they kept tabs on you previously. Privacy is and should be a fundamental right in our society. It should be well preserved.
 
I often wonder just how much adult material the CIA and NSA are inundated with through their gathering methods. On a year to year basis, adult material use or access increases. Honestly, you look at some of the charts online and you'd think there's a lot of adults, both men and women, who must consume hours of pornography each week.
 
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Massive surveillance, sure, due primarily to the U.S. population of approx 324 million people. (That's a lot of things to keep tabs on.) No reason to get salty though, I'm pretty sure the government isn't too concerned about your private Snap Chats or Facebook DMs.
The point isn't that I'm personally being surveilled.

@the underlined: Historically the CIA has not been allow to operate domestically.
 
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Screw KGB sponsored WikiLeaks. This "news" is what? 5, 7 years old? Snowden already revealed this was going on, so why is this all of a sudden a "story?" Just distraction BS.
 
Screw KGB sponsored WikiLeaks. This "news" is what? 5, 7 years old? Snowden already revealed this was going on, so why is this all of a sudden a "story?" Just distraction BS.
....Have you read anything on this? No.

If you had you'd realize that many of the documents in the leak come from 2015-2016.
 
How about this, I don't care. IF the government is spying on it's own citizens, I have nothing to hide and I'm not a terrorist.

I always like this quote when someone says that ;)

"Privacy? I don't have anything to hide."

"Over the last 16 months, as I've debated this issue around the world, every single time somebody has said to me, "I don't really worry about invasions of privacy because I don't have anything to hide." I always say the same thing to them. I get out a pen, I write down my email address. I say, "Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're doing nothing wrong, you should have nothing to hide." Not a single person has taken me up on that offer."

Glenn Greenwald in Why privacy matters - TED Talk

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I often wonder just how much adult material the CIA and NSA are inundated with through their gathering methods. On a year to year basis, adult material use or access increases. Honestly, you look at some of the charts online and you'd think there's a lot of adults, both men and women, who must consume hours of pornography each week.

Information super-saturation. Seriously doubt they even know what to do with it other than run specific queries. Just too massive.
 
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I always like this quote when someone says that ;)

"Privacy? I don't have anything to hide."

"Over the last 16 months, as I've debated this issue around the world, every single time somebody has said to me, "I don't really worry about invasions of privacy because I don't have anything to hide." I always say the same thing to them. I get out a pen, I write down my email address. I say, "Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're doing nothing wrong, you should have nothing to hide." Not a single person has taken me up on that offer."

Glenn Greenwald in Why privacy matters - TED Talk

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Information super-saturation. Seriously doubt the even know what to do with it other than run specific queries. Just too massive.
Deserves a quote, I don't know why people are taking this so lightly. I also can't understand why people are taking a partisan approach to this issue...
 
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The Klan, the Aryan Nation, and dozens of other racist groups are also happy Hillary lost and are overjoyed Donald "grab them by the *****" Trump won.
Trying guilt by association?

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Actually the nation chose her over Trump, since over 2.8 million more people voted for her, the electoral college chose Trump over her.

That's how elections work.
 
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How about this, I don't care. IF the government is spying on it's own citizens, I have nothing to hide and I'm not a terrorist.
heh, you probably should be less concerned with being spied on and more concerned with being controlled by an outside entity. (which you most certainly are)

humans are very easily manipulated though that's a tough one to admit/realize to oneself.

your idea of 'reality' is so far off base from a real reality that it's not even funny.
'reality' is just mainly what you've been told is real. that's all.

for the record, i'm not trying to say i'm personally immune to this behavioral/thought control. i play the game just like the rest of us. just saying i might be a tad bit more aware of it than many.
 
Trying guilt by association?


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That's how elections work.

You're right I am sure the reason the Klan, the Aryan Nation and other white supremist groups are supporting Trump is because of his plans for changing the tax code and has nothing to do with his openly racist views mirroring theirs.

You're right that's how elections work but it doesn't change the fact that 2.8 million more Americans wanted Hillary for president Than Trump.
 
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