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Dell XPS 15 9550 owner here. Bought this machine 3 months ago, paid $2100 for it. Nearly specced out with 4k display.

You think the 2016 mbp has bad battery? Hah!

I'm trying to sell this thing for a huge loss on Craigslist and my 2016 15" is on order..The grass is always greener on the other side. I went from a late 2013 15" mbp to the Dell XPS 15. Were the specs better? Considerably. Is the build quality even comparable? Absolutey not, the macbook destroys the XPS in terms of quality.

I wish I never bought the Dell. I'd much rather have a consistent and intuitive experience on MacOSX, even if it costs me on performance and funds. Take it or leave it from me, but I feel as if I wasted 2 grand on this laptop.
 
So we are bashing a laptop that has not even been released yet and comparing the quality of the XPS to a MacBook when no one has even seen one yet, and the Kaby Lake processor just because it is not in the latest Macs. Moving right along...
 
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Dell XPS 15 9550 owner here. Bought this machine 3 months ago, paid $2100 for it. Nearly specced out with 4k display.

You think the 2016 mbp has bad battery? Hah!

I'm trying to sell this thing for a huge loss on Craigslist and my 2016 15" is on order..The grass is always greener on the other side. I went from a late 2013 15" mbp to the Dell XPS 15. Were the specs better? Considerably. Is the build quality even comparable? Absolutey not, the macbook destroys the XPS in terms of quality.

I wish I never bought the Dell. I'd much rather have a consistent and intuitive experience on MacOSX, even if it costs me on performance and funds. Take it or leave it from me, but I feel as if I wasted 2 grand on this laptop.

I love the fact that I will be happy using this computer for at least the next 3 years...

I always tell my wife what my Grandfather told me:

Buy what you really want and you won't mind going to work to pay for it.
 
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Yes, like how Windows 10 rearranges my desktop icons on my external monitor almost every time I reboot.

I like the way every time I plug in my MacBook Air into my external monitor I never know what screen resolution MacOS is going to display.
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Windows is not an acceptable replacement for an avid user of macOS. It just isn't. I use it daily for gaming and a couple select apps via boot camp, and it's just not there no matter how much you want it to be - the little things will anger the crap out of anyone used to the way a Mac works. I put up with it for IT purposes, but Adobe apps kind of suck on W10 and are horribly optimized, every single laptop trackpad and its corresponding drivers are terrible and scary bad compared to the trackpad in macOS, etc.

I disagree. It works well for me. Especially when you use it with a touchscreen as intended. Not for everyone I agree, but as Windows continues to evolve, and Apple continues to "update", the lines are getting blurred to me. I could use either one at this point. The only thing keeping me on the Mac at this point is Handoff, and Preview for working with PDF's, thats all.
 
I love the fact that I will be happy using this computer for at least the next 3 years...

I always tell my wife what my Grandfather told me:

Buy what you really want and you won't mind going to work to pay for it.
It's true. I travel a lot. I'm purchasing the 2016 15" mbp to provide a frustration free and enjoyable experience on the go.

If I'm doing some heavy number crunching or want to run multiple VM's, I'll use my home workstation (i7 6950k/128gb RAM). Yes, the XPS 15 can be specced considerably faster, but I cannot personally justify the performance differences for MY needs.
 
I like the way every time I plug in my MacBook Air into my external monitor I never know what screen resolution MacOS is going to display.
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I disagree. It works well for me. Especially when you use it with a touchscreen as intended. Not for everyone I agree, but as Windows continues to evolve, and Apple continues to "update", the lines are getting blurred to me. I could use either one at this point. The only thing keeping me on the Mac at this point is Handoff, and Preview for working with PDF's, thats all.


It's not bad with a touchscreen - I've got heavy hours logged on a Surface Pro 3, but the attention to detail is certainly lacking and while it may feel complete, little things here and there get me every time. That attention to detail is why mac users will never leave the Mac. It's too figured out already.


It's true. I travel a lot. I'm purchasing the 2016 15" mbp to provide a frustration free and enjoyable experience on the go.

If I'm doing some heavy number crunching or want to run multiple VM's, I'll use my home workstation (i7 6950k/128gb RAM). Yes, the XPS 15 can be specced considerably faster, but I cannot personally justify the performance differences for MY needs.

Just curious, what kind of work are you doing with 128GB of RAM? Bunch of robust VMs? I've got 32GB myself with a 12-core haswell-e Xeon and a 980Ti that mainly sees Premiere Pro, DaVinci Resolve, and After Effects, but I think you may be the first I've come across with more than 64GB.
 
It's not bad with a touchscreen - I've got heavy hours logged on a Surface Pro 3, but the attention to detail is certainly lacking and while it may feel complete, little things here and there get me every time. That attention to detail is why mac users will never leave the Mac. It's too figured out already.




Just curious, what kind of work are you doing with 128GB of RAM? Bunch of robust VMs? I've got 32GB myself with a 12-core haswell-e Xeon and a 980Ti that mainly sees Premiere Pro, DaVinci Resolve, and After Effects, but I think you may be the first I've come across with more than 64GB.
Information Management. I have half a dozen enterprise applications in their own VM's that I use as a sandbox and troubleshooting. The most I've ever really used is 100gb. I typically sit around 90.
 
So we are bashing a laptop that has not even been released yet and comparing the quality of the XPS to a MacBook when no one has even seen one yet, and the Kaby Lake processor just because it is not in the latest Macs. Moving right along...
I'm thinking its because this is a Mac forum . . I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
 
I think some people have nothing better to do than write trash. Kaby Lake and SkyLake have the same performance clock for clock. Do these idiots who keep saying Kaby lake even know this? The only way Kaby lake will be faster is if it's clocked higher. 100MHz over the current high end won't mean much in real world. Furthermore comparing a Dell to a 2016 MacBook Pro is like comparing a KIA to a BMW. The KIA has bigger rims and cupholders so it must crush the BMW right?
 
So we are bashing a laptop that has not even been released yet and comparing the quality of the XPS to a MacBook when no one has even seen one yet, and the Kaby Lake processor just because it is not in the latest Macs. Moving right along...

Well actually the OP started a thread bashing the Mac's specs and the responses are reactive to the fact.

The XPS has been out for a while now and the new model will remain largely unchanged so people can reasonably comment on it. Besides, OS and specs can be compared regardless of the machine's physical attributes.
 
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The XPS 15 battery specs are listed as "56 or 97 WHr". I wonder if the larger battery sticks out of the back? Don't like those.

On a wider note though, there are some really cool things appearing at CES. Once in a while its good to pull the head out of Cook's rear and have alook around ;)
 
The XPS 15 battery specs are listed as "56 or 97 WHr". I wonder if the larger battery sticks out of the back? Don't like those.

On a wider note though, there are some really cool things appearing at CES. Once in a while its good to pull the head out of Cook's rear and have alook around ;)

I don't think so... The original had the battery in the front (below the touchpad). My guess is the 3560 also has this design.
 
This.

And even worse, its a Dell

I'm not fan of Dell and I've had to work with them over the years and grew to hate them for a while, but their XPS machines are fantastic and are probably the best premium Windows notebooks available.
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I have just got my 3rd dell laptop in 6 months at work due to poor quality, and hardware issues. Certainly would no longer buy dell on my dime.

Macs are hardly immune to problems. People on this very forum have had to send their Macs back to Apple multiple times until they were happy. This has been happening for years.
 
Windows is not an acceptable replacement for an avid user of macOS. It just isn't. I use it daily for gaming and a couple select apps via boot camp, and it's just not there no matter how much you want it to be - the little things will anger the crap out of anyone used to the way a Mac works. I put up with it for IT purposes, but Adobe apps kind of suck on W10 and are horribly optimized, every single laptop trackpad and its corresponding drivers are terrible and scary bad compared to the trackpad in macOS, etc.

New user here, and your response here actually made me register as a long time lurker. I agree with you on some points, but the hardware can work. I have an early 2013 MBPr (along with other stuff in the Apple range) and I've been an avid Apple user and fan since I started administering systems for work and switched to Apple gear since I could work on all platforms. It was brilliant, you had the official RDP client from microsoft, just connected via SSH to your Linux and Unix systems and used the built in X-server with forwarding and managing OSX systems was a breeze.

Fast forwarding to now, and I have to say that in terms of hardware, I also own a Microsoft Surface Book, and the keyboard is excellent. It's not quite the level of my MBPr, but neither is the new butterfly system on the latest MBPr. The trackpad isn't as large on the SB as it is on the new MBPr, but it does compare with the one I currently have. The ability to work with a touch surface on the display of the SB is more convenient than I thought, and comes together nicely with Windows 10. The one thing I'm not 100% convinced about is the quality of the display hinge, but that's about it.

Now, while the SB is in a similar price range to the MBPr (especially with the add on GPU), I have found it to be stable in terms of drivers, fast and enjoyable from a hardware perspective. All of those things are at least similar/comparable in ease of use and built quality to anything but the latest version of the MBPr.

What still gets me though is the OS itself. Windows 10 came a long way in terms of being more user friendly, and like I stated, the touch displays really add something with the OS being optimised or more open towards this capability. What is missing for me is a lot of small things that I've just grown used to. Cmd-Tabbing between programs and closing the ones I don't need with Cmd-Q, using built in screenshot capabilities, and so on. On the other hand, OSX/MacOS also dropped the ball in certain areas. XQuartz is easy enough to download, but not having an X-server built in is less than ideal. The app store is cool for buying software, but getting trial version of software (especially on a full fledged operating systems) is a pain in the a**.

To make a long story short, I do agree with the OS part of what you are saying, but for the same premium price, there are definitely good hardware substitutes available when compared to the Apple ecosystem. They might not be as easy to spot though, and not always in areas where you would expect them to be. But with Apple, I was used to it being fairly easy, but with the new keyboards on their laptops, not being able to do 80% of what I do without a dongle, it's not the obvious or default goto platform of choice for me anymore.
 
Has it been released yet? Only see the old one on the Dell website. Wonder if they will fix the battery problems and how the 1050 performs in real life.
 
There was a time when Apple's PC is in a league of its own.
Literally, back when they used PPC processors instead of Intel.

The fact of the matter is that after Tim Cook became CEO, he let the Mac stagnate and let competitors catch up.
The fact of the matter is that from the moment Apple switched to Intel processors, newbie users have been creating accounts on MacRumors to post about some competing company that has a system with better specs (and almost always for less money).

But yeah, you said Tim Cook in your post, so mega-dittos to you.
 
Looks like MBP badly needs a refresh or this could get embarrassing quick
Comparing an unreleased laptop with a released one isn't really the best. As noted in this thread the battery life on the XPS appears to be even worse then the MBPs.

Also, Apple is about creating a user experience in both hardware and software. I don't see that absent in the 2016 MBP.

To each his own, but these pissing contests really don't solve anything. We'll get one group of people posting great things about the XPS, and hating the MBP and another group doing the opposite.

My take has been consistent, buy the tool that best fits your needs and budget.
 
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Comparing an unreleased laptop with a released one isn't really the best. As noted in this thread the battery life on the XPS appears to be even worse then the MBPs.

Also, Apple is about creating a user experience in both hardware and software. I don't see that absent in the 2016 MBP.

To each his own, but these pissing contests really don't solve anything. We'll get one group of people posting great things about the XPS, and hating the MBP and another group doing the opposite.

My take has been consistent, buy the tool that best fits your needs and budget.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-17-laptop

The Alienware 17" version is out.

  • 7th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ
  • Windows 10 Home 64bit English
  • 16GB DDR4 at 2400MHz
  • NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1070 with 8GB GDDR5
  • 256GB PCIe SSD (Boot) + 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)
$1.999

for $700 more you get 1TB SSD and 32GB ram.
 
Literally, back when they used PPC processors instead of Intel.

They gained 2.5x perf/watt going to Intel, G5 would have had slightly /less/ than G4. I guess you could call that a league of it's own.

Before that they traded blows with Intel/AMD. Apple was also a fan of doing very specific benchmarks to make them look a lot faster than they were back then, they've gotten a lot more honest since then.
 
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