New XPS 15 absolutely crushes MBP

[Ethosik]

But that is a problem with overclocking and that particular game. You can't compare your OC card with the next gen 1080. That is truly different hardware.

Yes my ASUS gtx 1070 is made by a different company, may have a different fan and heat sink set up; but the actual gpu and its architecture is the same for all gtx 1070s. Period. If there is a software problem, nvidia fixes it. There was recently a firmware issues with a majority of this cards, and it require a video card bios update from the manaufactuer; because the OEM is responsible for that sort of thing, as well as warranty, etc.

If your problem with your 980 was related to a manufacture defect or firmware, that is evgas fault; but all 980s core gpu was the same.

All the issues you mentioned are related to software, or in one case OCing. OC isn't for everyone, and if you do you may experience unexpected problems; the hardware was necessarily optimized for that.

I said that's the reason I won't be getting an OCed card ever again. I wasn't specifically comparing it with the 1080 just that I got the FE one instead of an OCed one. EVGA acknowledged it was an issue with that card. Not all GTX 980s crashed Blizzard games. But EVGA OCed ones were having issues with it.

And I didn't OC it. EVGA did before I even got the card. And it just affected Blizzard games. I played a lot more games, at higher quality even, that pushed the GPU harder and never had a problem.

 

[Sanpete]

http://upgrd.com/blogs/josh/the-ult...hat_if_I_have_a_really_power-hungry_computer_

https://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power.php

https://www.ana.co.jp/wws/ca/e/asw_common/departure/inflight/battery/howto/index.html

There are planes that only have a 75W limit as well.

Steve/Apple made this decision awhile ago. If your a Mac user you'll never noticed because they deliberately kept the Wattage under 90, old mbps are 85, new ones are 87 and old MacBooks are 60W draw. One of those thoughtful Mac things.

Thanks for the links. I think one can use a higher wattage charger, it just won't provide more than 75 watts on planes that only provide that much. That means the battery will be drawn on more than usual, but it won't do any good to use a 75-watt charger instead.

 

[Pootmatoot]

Kaby lake CPU
32GB RAM
GTX 1050 GPU
4K Touchscreen

Looks like MBP badly needs a refresh or this could get embarrassing quick

And a 97W battery. Looking forward to see the battery life test... the 1080 version is likely to brush against 20 hours for light use
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Windows is not an acceptable replacement for an avid user of macOS. It just isn't. I use it daily for gaming and a couple select apps via boot camp, and it's just not there no matter how much you want it to be - the little things will anger the crap out of anyone used to the way a Mac works. I put up with it for IT purposes, but Adobe apps kind of suck on W10 and are horribly optimized, every single laptop trackpad and its corresponding drivers are terrible and scary bad compared to the trackpad in macOS, etc.

Wait what? Adobe runs far, far better on Nvidia... which is no longer an Apple option.

 

[Sanpete]

And a 97W battery. Looking forward to see the battery life test... the 1080 version is likely to brush against 20 hours for light use

That would be impressive, a 250% improvement! But how likely is that?

 

[Pootmatoot]

That would be impressive, an over-250% improvement! But how likely is that?

Well within the possible - Kabylake + 97Whr. I think this is the first time we've seen it, given Quadcore is new, so there's no data. High teens would not be shocking.

Light use only of course to get near that: no GPU or 50 Chrome tabs.

Edit: the 1080 already safely gets 9-11 hours with light/moderate use. Are you thinking of the 4k?

 

[Sanpete]

Edit: the 1080 already safely gets 9-11 hours with light/moderate use. Are you thinking of the 4k?

Ha, sorry, yes I was. I didn't read carefully and thought you were talking about the GPU (1050). Battery life isn't so great on the UHD version, and probably still won't be. The screen and DDR4 RAM will still be issues for that, and the new battery will only be 13 WH bigger. Very nice machine, though.

 

[Pootmatoot]

Ha, sorry, yes I was. I didn't read carefully and thought you were talking about the GPU (1050). Battery life isn't so great on the UHD version, and probably still won't be. The screen and DDR4 RAM will still be issues for that, and the new battery will only be 13 WH bigger. Very nice machine, though.

I'm most excited about the Windows Hello options, finally. Boring but incredibly practical (like Touchid)

 

[TheGenerous]

Still a windows machine!

I know, but this year I'm definitely switching to Windows. I can't pay for a Mac. Last time I was able to upgrade them, now they're over 6 years, my white MacBook will be 11 years this year, so I'll learn Windows and god help me

 

[macmee]

care to elaborate?

maybe you've heard, but this is macrumors.com............

 

[TheGenerous]

maybe you've heard, but this is macrumors.com............

not many mac rumors in the last years, mostly iOS, smileys (emojis) and cars

 

[darkloki]

an XPS won't save your life when you get shot at the airport, where a Macbook will stop a bullet http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...e-florida-shooting-macbook-pro-blocked-bullet

 

[MH01]

Does W10 still take ages to shut down like W7, while installing the often weekly updates?
and which is your preferred anti virus software, I find all of them a pain to be honest.

Updates are trivial, happen on rare occasions, and windows defender is all that your need these days and it's is seamless. W10 is very stable , the days of windows OS being crap are gone . I've been itching for a good excuse to upgrade my windows box and the damn thing is so rock solid and stable I'm kinda dispointed . Had one rare crash on it, and it auto recovered.....not the windows experience of old where I would be reinstalling the OS every few months.
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an XPS won't save your life when you get shot at the airport, where a Macbook will stop a bullet http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...e-florida-shooting-macbook-pro-blocked-bullet

Neither will the thinner 2016 model that there sir is a 2015 chassis
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not many mac rumors in the last years, mostly iOS, smileys (emojis) and cars

Lol...so true. Soon Mac rumours will be what new emoji are coming. While the Mac range switches to the Mac Pro upgrade schedules of every 3-4 years.

For anyone game jump into the Mac Pro forum .....depressing graveyard

 

[tipoo]

Wait, I thought I got called a troll because I was comparing the 15w Kaby Lake with the 45w Skylake and I was always being told that TDP did not matter at all? I thought the Kaby Lakes beat all Skylakes.

The updated XPS 15 is on 45W Kaby Lake, the direct replacement of the 6700 in the 15" rMBP. Not 15W ULV.

 

[darkloki]

Updates are trivial, happen on rare occasions, and windows defender is all that your need these days and it's is seamless. W10 is very stable , the days of windows OS being crap are gone . I've been itching for a good excuse to upgrade my windows box and the damn thing is so rock solid and stable I'm kinda dispointed . Had one rare crash on it, and it auto recovered.....not the windows experience of old where I would be reinstalling the OS every few months.
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Neither will the thinner 2016 model that there sir is a 2015 chassis
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Lol...so true. Soon Mac rumours will be what new emoji are coming. While the Mac range switches to the Mac Pro upgrade schedules of every 3-4 years.

For anyone game jump into the Mac Pro forum .....depressing graveyard

Well I own the 2016 Chasis and the 2015 Chasis, and I guess this is even more reason for me to both keep my 2015 chasiss and use it for as often as I use it.

 

[soulreaver99]

I had a dell netbook years ago. Even though it was thinner and lighter than the MacBook, It was super slow. Never going back to dell again

 

[tubeexperience]

I had a dell netbook years ago. Even though it was thinner and lighter than the MacBook, It was super slow. Never going back to dell again

So you bought a $300 computer and it's super slow.

Who could have guess?

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Ha, sorry, yes I was. I didn't read carefully and thought you were talking about the GPU (1050). Battery life isn't so great on the UHD version, and probably still won't be. The screen and DDR4 RAM will still be issues for that, and the new battery will only be 13 WH bigger. Very nice machine, though.

I had the 4k, ups 15 9550, but I have a new MBP with touchbar now, instead.

That being said, I saw 3-6 hours of usage on the battery, depending on the work load. The new ups 15 with the larger battery, more efficient processor, etc you could possible see battery levels near that of the 2016 15in MBP with touchbar. I am not sure if the new Nvidia 1050 in the dell xps 15 draws more, less, or equal in terms of battery; so that is a variable I am not considering here.

 

[lambertjohn]

Kaby lake CPU
32GB RAM
GTX 1050 GPU
4K Touchscreen

Looks like MBP badly needs a refresh or this could get embarrassing quick

LOL! This is a funny thread. My 2015 Macbook Pro absolutely crushes anything I want to do with it. Office. Photoshop. Web browsing. You name it, my paltry 16GB of RAM, 256GB hard drive, and two-year old quad-core CPU, handle it with absolutely no issues. Come to think about it, my 1996 Volkswagen GTI absolutely crushes my transportation needs as well!!

 

[Drecca]

The computer that should be most compared to the RMBP's is the Surface Book. I just purchased the SB performance base and returned my high spec 15 inch 2016 MBP.

I've been in the Apple ecosystem for years, but I feel this is the year Apple left the door open. Before this year, you would be okay paying the Apple tax because you always felt you got good value for it, and you could not find that same feeling elsewhere.

But this year, that's not true anymore. The surface book is an amazing machine. It packs one hell of a punch in a cool form factor. Windows 10 is not hard to use, come on guys.

I still have my iPad pro, my iPhone 7 and my Apple watch. Those devices are still best in class and no one is really close to those yet. But for the laptop? Microsoft now has my money. They worked hard for it. Apple took me for granted and lost out. We'll see what their next revision brings.

 

[Mannaerts]

Kaby lake CPU
32GB RAM
GTX 1050 GPU
4K Touchscreen

Looks like MBP badly needs a refresh or this could get embarrassing quick

Every Samsung Galaxy S phone crushes an iPhone on paper, still the iPhone crushes every smartphone in reality

 

[Sanpete]

I had the 4k, ups 15 9550, but I have a new MBP with touchbar now, instead.

That being said, I saw 3-6 hours of usage on the battery, depending on the work load. The new ups 15 with the larger battery, more efficient processor, etc you could possible see battery levels near that of the 2016 15in MBP with touchbar. I am not sure if the new Nvidia 1050 in the dell xps 15 draws more, less, or equal in terms of battery; so that is a variable I am not considering here.

Will be interesting to see how the battery life works out. Kaby Lake is supposed to save power for 4k video, and a few other things. The new GPU is supposed to offer power-saving features too, but I don't know how much. The XPS is already a fine machine that competes well with the Macs in part because of price. If it can come close on battery life, with an edge in performance it will be even more solid competition.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Will be interesting to see how the battery life works out. Kaby Lake is supposed to save power for 4k video, and a few other things. The new GPU is supposed to offer power-saving features too, but I don't know how much. The XPS is already a fine machine that competes well with the Macs in part because of price. If it can come close on battery life, with an edge in performance it will be even more solid competition.

Agreed.

The gtx 1050 will be a big edge, as it will offer a significant performance advantage over the Radeon 440-460 in the MBPs.

The 960m in the current xps 15 9550 was already superior to the 440, and was equal to the 450, I believe, and only slightly inferior to the 460...or something like that.

 

[macmee]

Agreed.

The gtx 1050 will be a big edge, as it will offer a significant performance advantage over the Radeon 440-460 in the MBPs.

The 960m in the current xps 15 9550 was already superior to the 440, and was equal to the 450, I believe, and only slightly inferior to the 460...or something like that.

meanwhile apple doesnt even offer drivers for the 10xx series rofl

 

[aevan]

Agreed.

The gtx 1050 will be a big edge, as it will offer a significant performance advantage over the Radeon 440-460 in the MBPs.

The 960m in the current xps 15 9550 was already superior to the 440, and was equal to the 450, I believe, and only slightly inferior to the 460...or something like that.

450, 455 and 460.

There is no 440

 

[Sanpete]

The computer that should be most compared to the RMBP's is the Surface Book. I just purchased the SB performance base and returned my high spec 15 inch 2016 MBP.

I've been in the Apple ecosystem for years, but I feel this is the year Apple left the door open. Before this year, you would be okay paying the Apple tax because you always felt you got good value for it, and you could not find that same feeling elsewhere.

But this year, that's not true anymore. The surface book is an amazing machine. It packs one hell of a punch in a cool form factor. Windows 10 is not hard to use, come on guys.

I still have my iPad pro, my iPhone 7 and my Apple watch. Those devices are still best in class and no one is really close to those yet. But for the laptop? Microsoft now has my money. They worked hard for it. Apple took me for granted and lost out. We'll see what their next revision brings.

A good comparison to the 13" MBP models, I think. I haven't really thought of the SB PB as direct competition for the 15" models, though. The performance lags, and the screen, even though it has higher resolution, is significantly smaller.