Exactly. More change-for-the-sake-of-change reminiscent of round signlal strength indicators and round Contact avatars & buttons after iOS7.
There's a reason why the iPad/iPhone doesn't look like this:
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Exactly. More change-for-the-sake-of-change reminiscent of round signlal strength indicators and round Contact avatars & buttons after iOS7.
There's a reason why the iPad/iPhone doesn't look like this:
That’s what waterproofing is for. Hold under cold running water from tap. “Liquid cooling”
Think about it......just not with leather cover.
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Curved corners taken to extreme......hmmmm iPad Extreme
Now we know why Mr. I’ve does not take consumer design advise.
EVERYONE listen up! They already reduced the bezels on the sides back with the iPad Air (remember it used to be thick around all sides), and again with the iPad Pro 10.5" (or at least it looks that way relative to the body size). This won't be any different, except it removes the chins on the top and bottom. Software already assists with this. Eventually there won't be any bezels once they figure out how to do the cameras and sensors under the display and they will use advanced machine learning, probably coupled with edge sensors, to determine whether you're holding it vs. interacting with it.
Because evolving towards zero-bezel is such a perfect design. Because just using the principle of simple, good, all-around-robust design is such a worse idea than adding sensors and increasing pricing.
Because it's just the next step to wrap-around screen on the edges & rear, right?Because nobody frames photos on their walls anymore. Because mothers teach their children to place their glass of milk on the very edge of the table, because buffer zones supply zero additional context, aid, or other positive feature.
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Honestly I don't even frame photos OR put them on walls any more. My walls are mostly filled with full bleed canvas paintings. Really. Your second example has no relevance.Because evolving towards zero-bezel is such a perfect design. Because just using the principle of simple, good, all-around-robust design is such a worse idea than adding sensors and increasing pricing.
Because nobody frames photos on their walls anymore. Because mothers teach their children to place their glass of milk on the very edge of the table, because buffer zones supply zero additional context, aid, or other positive feature.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. It will just work. It's about improving the function—maximizing display size while minimizing device size. This is what is coming. This is the future. Embrace it or don't, nobody will care either way. Eventually we will only have slabs that respond to us as much as we do to them, along with augmented reality overlays that are added to our glasses or beamed to our contact lenses from what would today be a supercomputer that we wear on our wrist or elsewhere on or in the body. There will be phones that unfold into tablets that can be used with any display/TV without wires to turn it into a desktop. This won't be possible with clunky bezels, but made possible with thin, border-less displays using flexible materials and components which won't exist for many years.
Once again, because zero buffer is good design. Cars on the road should zing by with 1mm (or less, bezel-less) clearance. Because print on books & website forums should have font pixels touching the edge of the page/screen. Because since you don't frame photos on the wall, that's best for everyone and they should just change. Because running Apple's product cycle as a minimalism design contest via removing buttons and ports and margins while increasing flatness and reducing intuitiveness and contrasty-pixels (i.e., going simpler and simpler for a device that's increasingly called upon to do more and more) is truly good design. I'mnotevensurewhywekeepinsertingspacesbetweenwords.Allthatdoesisstayinthepastandnotallowustomoveontosomethingmuchmoreefficient.CmoneverybodyjustevolvealreadyforcripessakeAndwhilewereatitletsstopusingpunctuationAllthatdoesisslowusdownLetsgetreadyforthefuture
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But you have a software margin! That way when you need the full display when watching a movie or something, you don't have any sacrifices! Why not have a hardware keyboard built into the iPad and iPhone too?
Roads are designed that way because of human error. Software can eliminate that. Look at trains/subways. Their tracks are placed very close together considering how big and bulky they are. Why? Because they are on rails. The software is the rails. Do you not think that when driverless car technology becomes mandatory that they are not going to shrink the road down to a minimum width? Of course they will. They will cram as much in as possible to be most efficient. The book analogy doesn't hold up because books can't have dynamic bezels.
BTW I am a trained designer, I understand all about margins and usability. Continue to frame your photos, it doesn't matter because your wall is huge and you have the space. People want thin and light and efficient. They want a small pack. They don't want a bulky device that has wasted space on the edges. Competitors will push Apple on the market because people are buying it and want it and are using it. If you can't understand how your examples don't compare to this, then I think it's best we end the conversation here. Software is the answer. Software is the margin, both in invisible terms of ignoring touches, and in visible terms of spacing of elements from the edges depending on context.
So a truly bezel-less iPad and iPhone. How will software design its way around users who address the iPhone/iPad's fragileness design flaw by using a case which wraps around the edge for grip?
Not to you specifically, but all the training in the world does not make one a truly great, big picture designer. Jony Ive cough cough one trick pony cough cough.
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I have my critiques of Apple's appealing-to-special-or-limiting cases mantra since 2013. Saying "human error" is similarly being rather specific within a large subset of users. A truly robust, bigger-picture way of designing would think "human variability" or variation and not just the smaller subset of human errors, for usability.
It looks like you have not been following rumors lately. It is rumored to work on both orientations. Face ID forever I guess.
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No no no, you are asking for the impossible here. Judging a product after using it? Unheard of
Please be notcheless. Please be notcheless. Please be notcheless. Please be notcheless. Please be notcheless.
Don’t understimate a single camera’s capability to prefetch your eyes to determine orientation,
although that might add a couple of computations to the current 400 billion/s
Yes, because slightly rounded corners = circular display. Typical MacRumors community drama!
Based on your avatar you could be one of these people who wishes nothing will ever change.
My point was more: if you look at trends/directions, do they make sense?
With all the angst about the notch, there would now be “notches” of unusable zones in the corners. would rounding the screen corners just to accommodate decreasing bezels make sense? Clearly many applications would just blank out the sides/top/bottom areas via software, for video, pictures, etc. Does trending towards bezelness make sense?
Does removing a new port, button, jack, or other input/interface convenience every 12-18 months make sense directionally? I.e., where can you go once you run out of buttons to remove?
Does removing bezel areas towards "zero bezels" make sense directionally? I.e., where do you go next when a device is truly edge-to-edge?
Does removing all sense of differentiation between button shapes, icons, and other UIx indicators towards flat design and virtually monochromatic, low-contrast design make sense? I.e., where do you go once you're nearly all light grey/blue text on white backgrounds?
Does making square shapes that efficiently contain useful info into circular avators/buttons/etc. make sense? I.e., other than changing from square shapes to be different, where do you go from here? Back to square? If so then why did you leave, other than to change things up?
Ha, I was thinking of updating my avatar recently. Thanks for the push. I'm only against change based on nothing but the need for change, and I’m against form over function.
If you or anyone can explain how the iOS6 voicemail, calendar, Music, App Store, or podcast apps were broken and requiring complete redesign (and how the ios7-12 designs are better), I'm all ears.
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And yet the AirPods don't fit in my ears. They fall out within minutes without much movement. I had to buy a pack of bio adhesive strips and replace them every 1-2 weeks. And now you have the smallest iPhone being 5.8", which is way too big for people like my wife. They clearly don't care much about human variability vs. aesthetic or what will sell in a mass market situation.
I think this move towards no bezels is several years down the road. I think in between we'll have a step where they're able to fit the Face ID module, camera and speaker into the area along the top edge bezel, probably around the 2020 iPhone, so one more version with a notch until then, maybe two if they shrink it. And they may keep that same notchless design for several years until they're ready to have an iPhone unfolding into an iPad and need to abandon bezels, perhaps another 3-4 years. So around the mid-to-late 2020s at the latest. Perhaps by then they will have materials that are strong enough to not crack from simple drops. But I think it's pretty clear that Apple doesn't care about designing for protection, especially when you look at something like the iPad which they don't even make full protection for and can dent and sometimes crack if it slides 18" off a couch. They've always been anti-case and anti-screen protector and only recently went all-in with iPhone cases after Angela Ahrendts showed them how much money they could make.
I also want to make it clear that I wasn't comparing myself, as a designer, to Apple's designers. I'm not an industrial designer like Ive. I was simply stating that I understand the concepts that you are talking about and am well versed in prototyping, developing and testing the usability of software interfaces as well as print and the history behind much of it. So I get what you're saying, I just think there are ways around it that you haven't considered.
I also think that the idea that a computer/tablet/phone needs a frame is antiquated, much the same way they used to design cars to look like horseless carriages, build TVs as though they were a piece of wooden furniture, or design skeuomorphic interfaces that weren't true to the device itself. You don't need a hardware frame the same as you don't need a hardware keyboard. You can have it when you need it, and put it away when you don't, maximizing usability. The same argument could be made for the home button, which is a much more obvious design pattern than the home indicator, and a lot of people say similar things about the headphone jack. And yet both are likely to be completely gone on iOS devices once the new iPad is unveiled tomorrow. Don't think that Apple won't push everything to the limit in simplifying these devices, especially as simplification brings about additional flexibility in the future.
Meanwhile I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how to justify buying the new normal sized Pro when I just bought a 10.5 to replace my 9.7.
I understand thin bezels on a phone which you can wrap your hand around to hold behind it by the edges, or a laptop or desktop monitor -- but this seems like it would make handling very difficult without accidentally triggering things on screen. Maybe they'll introduce some new touch-rejection* technology?
* insert obligatory "that's what she said"
Of course, it all makes sense. Actually, it makes a perfect sense. I am really not going to go into a depth on every point convincing you why it makes sense because chances are you are the type of guy who would be perfectly fine using floppy disk at 2018 if changes did not occur, and I bet you are one of those who complained of every single change made, or at least you were not happy with changes, so you would not understand anyway.
Look around you. Everything you see goes towards changes. Nothing remains the same and it is perfectly fine. It would be really a boring existence without changes and I seriously do not get people who dislike changes/are afraid of changes.
Apparently not if you ask Microsoft and the Surface team.
Personally? I have NO use for bezels - it’s a waste of space that could either make the device smaller or the screen bigger. I’m perfectly capable of holding onto a device for a long periods of time without needing a bezel.
To me, a bezel was never supposed to be a design feature, it was just the manufacturer needing space to place components. People got used to the idea of the bezel as a grip, thinking they need a place to put their fingers.
Now, why not make both parties happy and bring out a completely bezeless iPad and have a case that adds bezels back on?
I loathe bezels on any display, be it phone, tablet, monitor, TV or anything else.
I’m also with macduke in that I prefer NOT having a frame on anything I hang. The frame is just a distraction from the piece itself.
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It does if it’s availability and cost of technology that makes it happen. I would LOVE a button-less, port-less iPad. Everything is wireless!
I’m terms of bezels, you dust off your hands and claim job well done. There are lots of other screen and system improvements to be made!
You should see this reply when I asked about the Apple Watch Series 1. It pretty much nailed the transcription but......So I’m still using an original iPad Air, bought on launch. Owned every iPad up to this one and kept her.
Still monster battery life, and browses almost as quickly as any iPad can.
Lags with almost anything else lol..
I was curious how long I had this thing cause she’s been great to me.
So I asked Siri from my iPhone X and got a typical Siri lazy like response. Thanks Siri!
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The iPads a larger device, with larger bezels than the iPhone so is able to fit the cameras required for Face ID without encroaching into the display.