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My personal belief is that I do not want to see Apple get into the business of promoting objectification of women.

True - Apple should seek out partners in gay porn to be sure that they equally objectify men.

Although, I honestly haven't heard anyone claim that they read a gay porn magazine "for the interviews".
 
Or we can stop letting Unions blackmail employers. People who drive cars off the boats at the dock and park them make 75 an hour. How much does a Valet parking attendant make minimum wage?

Blackmail is illegal, and anyone doing anything illegal should face justice.

But if by blackmail, you just mean negotiating for pay (not blackmail and not illegal), then wouldn't stopping unions be interfering with the precious free market?

Why should the govt be allowed to limit how much money you (in the collective form of a union) can make, right? And if the company decides it's a bad deal, they are not held hostage, they can let the entire union quit if they want to, and try to hire new employees. Only, when the company does that, they discover how valuable their previous employees really were when they cease production, don't they?

And, even if we pretend that your unsupported $75/hr claim is true, then the poor little Valet driver can either 1) Get a $75/hr job at the docks, 2) Form a union at his place of employment and negotiate for better compensation.

We can help! By refusing to buy Union made items, and letting the makers know what we are doing, we can encourage the use of non-union workshops.

While we sometimes have to use Union made (or shall I say poorly made) items, the less we do, the better our country is.

that way we can all be working for minimum wage! :rolleyes:
 
My personal belief is that I do not want to see Apple get into the business of promoting objectification of women.

How does sex make a woman into an object? Do you think actors in Hollywood are being promoted as objects when they make movies?

And even if I granted you that, Apple is not filming porn. Are you mad at DVDs and magazines for being a content distribution system too? You can already put porn on an iPad.
 
You have the wrong expectations of Apple. They are not your knight in shining armor, protecting you from other opinions, no matter how much you hate hearing them.

What on earth could possibly be going through your head for that to come out your mouth...

I do not know what you're trying to say, given what I've posted in this thread.
 
I don't care what your politics are, but Apples collaboration with THE king of media monopolies in order to bring it to the ipad really just makes this smack of extreme irony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

I mean, which side of that screen are you on, Apple?

But pop news is pop news. Spread the fear, spread the blame, foster that hate.
Give me a peer-reviewed scientific journal of discovery and innovation any day.

You have the wrong expectations of Apple. They are not your knight in shining armor, protecting you from other opinions, no matter how much you hate hearing them.

What on earth could possibly be going through your head for that to come out your mouth...

I do not know what you're trying to say, given what I've posted in this thread.

Really?
 
Sooo, one would rather hear narrow-minded hypocritical right-wing propaganda? Not that they've ever let little things like, you know, facts, get in the way of their arguments. But hey, awesome, pay for an app that'll preach hate and lies, outsourcing good jobs, support the rich, etc.... it sounds fantastic!

:eek: :eek: :eek:
 

Yeah, really.

The point I was trying to make was that Apple can't be your $&@#%^ nanny and censor content from your delicate little daffodil mind, whether it's playboy like it was three days ago, and you think it's going to bring about armaggeddon, or it's Rupert Murdochs media monopoly and you think it's subliminal fascism like it is today, or it's Air America or Rush Limbaugh tomorrow. The difference is, I was trying not to sound like some kind of jackass about it.

But opinions I hate hearing about? How the he'll would you know? I wasted years of my life listening to my preferred side of BS, before wasting yet more years listening to the other side of the BS, and in the net, what did it yield? Nothing constructive whatsoever. It's lowbrow garbage, fodder for a trash culture. It's not even news, there's nothing new about any of it. It's just the same old crap recycled again and again repackaged for more emotional impact. Always some catastrophe you're supposed to be Up in arms about, and its always somebodys fault. Blame blame blame. It's the poor peoples fault, it's the rich peoples fault, it's the white peoples fault it's the Mexicans, the Blacks, the Asians the urban liberals the republican hicks... Get angry, fear for everything, stay glued to your screen, believe what we tell you, look no further, here, have a look at these sexy advertisements... good little worker bee, take your rage to the polls once every four years, to participate in a popular vote for one of two candidates, each from the same two extremist parties over and over, in a Federal Republic, while we call it a Democracy. If you close your eyes hard and really believe, you'll realize that you alone are riteous, and everyone not like you is at fault for everything that is wrong with the world and should suffer dearly for it.

Politics and religion are a good starting point. Whichever direction you choose to go, the sooner you leave that starting point, the better.
 
Looking forward to this app, and hopefully it is groundbreaking.

And just because News Corp is first to market with this model, does not mean they will be the last. News Co is really huge in the media/content delivery market, and to simply dismiss them is juvenile, http://www.newscorp.com

But absolutely, do not believe anything any media outlet says without validating it for yourself.
 
Yeah, really. The point I was trying to make was that Apple can't be your $&@#%^ nanny and censor content from your delicate little daffodil mind, whether it's playboy like it was three days ago, and you think it's going to bring about armaggeddon, or it's Rupert Murdochs media monopoly and you think it's subliminal fascism like it is today, or it's Air America or Rush Limbaugh tomorrow. The difference is, I was trying not to sound like some kind of jackass about it.

Your original post was confusing, acerbic and, I believe, unintentionally ironic. You reproach Apple for working with a large news organization, then label Apple big brother (link to 1984 video), heap further disdain by implying that the news in question was "pop news", and then conclude about some nonsense about peer-reviewed scientific journals (a clear attempt to raise yourself above the masses who consume "pop news" whom you clearly show disdain). My point is that Apple has NO BUSINESS separating "valid" from "invalid" news. I don't think that's a controversial point at all. With FoxNews, we should have CNN, MSNBC, Worker's Monthly, whatever... in a bizarre way, we may be in "violent agreement" but I definitely did not get that from your original post nor your last response. Clearly you are pissed that I challenged your thought...
 
Blackmail is illegal, and anyone doing anything illegal should face justice.

But if by blackmail, you just mean negotiating for pay (not blackmail and not illegal), then wouldn't stopping unions be interfering with the precious free market?

Why should the govt be allowed to limit how much money you (in the collective form of a union) can make, right? And if the company decides it's a bad deal, they are not held hostage, they can let the entire union quit if they want to, and try to hire new employees. Only, when the company does that, they discover how valuable their previous employees really were when they cease production, don't they?

And, even if we pretend that your unsupported $75/hr claim is true, then the poor little Valet driver can either 1) Get a $75/hr job at the docks, 2) Form a union at his place of employment and negotiate for better compensation.



that way we can all be working for minimum wage! :rolleyes:

PAY ME WHAT I WANT OR WE'LL ALL WALK OUT!!!! Thats blackmail son.

As for the $75/hr claim, do a small search on longshoremen. They are some of the most overpaid people in America. Most make more than Doctors. Oh yeah, try getting a job on the docks. Here in LA its a 3-6 month wait and if you don't know some one, fat chance getting a gig.
 
I am so sick of getting on this site to read up on new Mac/Apple stuff and seeing the comments turn political. It's real simple people, if you don't like Murdoch/Fox, fine. Keep the comments about what they should be about. If you want to get all political and bash the right or the left, go to a political blog and comment there. But shut up about it already. If you don't like Murdoch and/or Fox, don't buy the app.

What..... WE are not allowed to have or voice an opinion.
Last time I looked this was still a free country and this was still a free site on which to express ones opinions.
The article is about a VERY political organization...to call Fox news is an oxymoron...so why should there be no political comments?
 
Your original post was confusing, acerbic and, I believe, unintentionally ironic. You reproach Apple for working with a large news organization, then label Apple big brother (link to 1984 video), heap further disdain by implying that the news in question was "pop news", and then conclude about some nonsense about peer-reviewed scientific journals (a clear attempt to raise yourself above the masses who consume "pop news" whom you clearly show disdain). My point is that Apple has NO BUSINESS separating "valid" from "invalid" news. I don't think that's a controversial point at all. With FoxNews, we should have CNN, MSNBC, Worker's Monthly, whatever... in a bizarre way, we may be in "violent agreement" but I definitely did not get that from your original post nor your last response. Clearly you are pissed that I challenged your thought...

..because I care what opinion a bunch of anonymous posters have of me personally, as a name behind a few posts they won't remember for five minutes on an internet forum?

As for peer-reviewed science journals, they publish actual news. New discoveries, new theories, new results, new knowledge and new technology. That is news. Once you get into that, popular ("pop") news becomes glaringly transparent as the tripe it is. That was the point and I'm stickin to it.

This is one of the stranger conversations I can remember. Oddly intriguing.

Not pissed, just returned what looked like an attempt to make a mild argument needlessly personal.
 
..because I care what opinion a bunch of anonymous posters have of me personally, as a name behind a few posts they won't remember for five minutes on an internet forum?
You are no less anonymous here.

As for peer-reviewed science journals, they publish actual news. New discoveries, new theories, new results, new knowledge and new technology. That is news. Once you get into that, popular ("pop") news becomes glaringly transparent as the tripe it is. That was the point and I'm stickin to it.

First, it depends on the journal. You know that. The kind of "news" in academic journals are (typically) careful presentation of hypotheses, observations, conclusions, theories which can have huge impact on how scientists view the world, its histories and its laws. But you know that... what that has to do with "current events" news organizations seems like a stretch, especially given how onerous the process typically is to get anything published in a journal. We should wait for 6 months before we can report what was said at a political event, right? Now, I'll agree with the sentiment that news organizations appear to have "too low of bar" for publishing their stories -- but I think that has more to do with the fact that they are more entertainment companies who sell people what they want to hear.

This is one of the stranger conversations I can remember. Oddly intriguing.
Agreed let's stop here.

Not pissed, just returned what looked like an attempt to make a mild argument needlessly personal.
I was using the same acerbic tone, perhaps more directly than you were. I don't think you were being nice either. :)
 
I have a better option: I won't buy any more Apple products. I have owned at least 25 Apple computers since I bought my first 2c, and currently possess an iBook, a MacBook, and 2 MacBook Pros, plus several iPods, Time Capsule, etc., but that's the end of it. Business decisions are intrinsically political. I tried to overlook it when Jobs chose right wing, spy on American citizens, poor service as their iPhone provider, and vowed I would never buy one until they added a more progressive provider, so what do they do, they add the second most regressive phone company, Verizon, to the list. Now they get married to Rupert Murdoch of Faux News Bill O'Really and Glen cryboy Beck fame. Plus Jobs just made a large contribution to Rahm "*********g retards" Emmanuel notoriety, and Apple ranks last in worker safety among IT companies in China. http://www.ipe.org.cn/En/about/notice_de.aspx?id=9684
Come to think of it, why would Apple outsource all its manufacturing jobs to foreign countries? (Don't bother to explain, the answer is obvious, greed.) All
buying decisions are political. My wife and I drive German cars because we don't buy Japanese products on account of the whale and dolphin slaughters, nor American cars because of outsourcing, and, until recently, shoddy workmanship. There is more to being an ethical citizen of the world than playing games on your iPads. Sorry, Apple, you just lost one of your better customers, but I'm sure you'll find a way to more than make it up with more regressive business alliances, and hordes of obliging customers who don't give a rat's posterior about the ethical implications of their consumerism.:mad:

Welcome to American or simply business. You are a bit too radical for me. You just realize what most if not all businesses do. Fox news is the only right leaning tv channel that exists. Everyone else is left leaning. There is no such thing as unbias media. You should not install the Daily app if you are against right leaning media! Daily will be on android market too later.
 
Are you mad at DVDs and magazines for being a content distribution system too? You can already put porn on an iPad.
I never said I was mad at anyone, Yes I have a problem with all forms of porn and any company that: produces, distributes, promotes, and makes a profit off of the objectification of women.

I think Apple does not need to become a distribution system for pornography. From a "brand" perspective, Apple does damage to it's image by, pardon the pun, "getting into bed with pornographers." Apple has had, and will continue to have an excellent opportunity as a media and tech company to keep alive the conversation about the destructiveness of pornography in our culture. It is available almost everywhere else on the media landscape, but there is no reason that Apple needs to play to the lowest common denominator in pursuit of the bottom line.

How does sex make a woman into an object?

I would suggest checking out the following information. It may help you to see where I am coming from:

Jackson Katz - Macho Paradox, great book! Chapter 10 has great info about the effects of porn and the sex industry, on men and women.
www.themachoparadox.com You can buy the book from the iBooks store

XY-ONLINE is a great blog that can shed some light on this topic.
www.xyonline.net/category/article-content/pornography

Tony Porter - A CALL TO MEN - He did a great talk on ted. He does not talk directly about porn, but if you watch the part about
The Foundation, you might see where I am coming from. www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html

This is tony's web site www.acalltomen.com
 
PAY ME WHAT I WANT OR WE'LL ALL WALK OUT!!!! Thats blackmail son.

As for the $75/hr claim, do a small search on longshoremen. They are some of the most overpaid people in America. Most make more than Doctors. Oh yeah, try getting a job on the docks. Here in LA its a 3-6 month wait and if you don't know some one, fat chance getting a gig.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail
Blackmail is the act of threatening to reveal substantially true information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates unless a demand is met. This information is usually of an embarrassing, socially damaging, and/or incriminating nature.

But you're maybe thinking of extortion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
Extortion, outwresting, and/or exaction is a criminal offense which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion.

Are you suggesting it's unlawful to quit your job? Or for more than one person to quit their job?
 
Its not a Newspaper, its the cause! Its the fight against evil Republicans and evil non Apple corp! Fox and the tea party shot that senator and stole Steve Jobs original liver! :rolleyes:

I downvoted because it's a newspaper. Well, more because the concept of a subscription-based tablet newspaper shows a hilarious misunderstanding of why the print newspaper industry is failing. They seem to think customers are defecting not because online news is free, but because the internet is more convenient than a physical paper.

In reality, it's both of those. I cannot imagine what The Daily will provide me with, news-wise, that I can't get absolutely free on any of the countless news sites out there. (many of which display amazingly well on the iPad)

People don't want to pay for newspapers. That business model is dead, folks.
 
It's the big day boys & girls.

Launch day for Stevie's comics.

All the wholesome "news you've been dying to read" courtesy of your wallet, iPad, and permission from Uncle Steve...
 
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