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It only lasts 3 years for me
MacBook 2008 > MacBook Pro Early 2011 > this one ( guess this one is two)
I've been looking at getting back into the Mac again, and I'm seriously waiting for the new rMBP with eagerness. I would be greatly disappointed if it didn't have a discrete GPU though.. it would likely be a deal breaker.
Not having a discrete GPU is what keeps me from considering the 13", even though I like the 13" size over the 15".
Not having a discrete GPU is what keeps me from considering the 13", even though I like the 13" size over the 15".
When you can get better graphics and gaming out of machines that are $1000-$1500 less, it doesn't sound so high-end to me. Also, the Apple SSD premium has been way out of whack with what it would cost to put a third-party SSD into a machine with a normal 2.5" bay. Let's also not forget that your max resolution for day-to-day stuff is still 1920x1200, which again can be had on laptops $1000-$1500 less.
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Im on the same boat as you are. My 2008 MBP is dying a slow death. I so look forward having more than 30min of battery life, and a kick ass screen.
Im on the same boat as you are. My 2008 MBP is dying a slow death. I so look forward having more than 30min of battery life, and a kick ass screen.
I think they will drop the discrete. The Iris 5200 will probably perform better then the GT650M for professional apps. Particularly those like Adobe that use Open CL. Since it is using system memory and cache it will benefit from the systems ECC memory so you can trust your OpenCL output. There may be bit errors in the GT650M output (although the OpenCL implementation may emulate ECC memory for a performance hit… not sure how it is implemented on OS X).
They can save the space from the discrete chip, voltage regulators, etc. and put in bigger batteries. There were also rumors Apple may be switching to more power efficient IGZO retina displays. They may be able to do similar power gains to the updated MacBook Airs.
The new SSDs should also improve performance quite a bit.
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Well the 13 inch is a macbook pro without dedecated GPU, what do you say about that?
Pros would be better without the discrete too! Iris 5200 is better for processing OpenCL for Adobe Apps and Raytracing.
For some uses, ultimate is top clock + discrete.
For other uses, ultimate would be Iris Pro + discrete.
There's no configuration that would provide top performance for all tasks.
I absolutely agree, it's a complete joke how crap the GPUs are in their 'Pro' laptops. Unfortunately, history would dictate that we'll never get a cutting-edge GPU in a MBP. And that's a real shame.
Please don't feel I'm justifying their GPUs by mentioning they've never put an excellent graphics card in their notebook computers. On the contrary, it was more of a disparaging remark towards Apple's Pro notebook line. The Apple-tax takes the complete piss, and nobody finds it more annoying than I.
It's just that with all the mention of new GPUs from nVidia, we'll just end up being disappointed when they do a tiny upgrade/no upgrade. They're never going to put a great graphics card in their Pro line, because they never have. No point getting our hopes up.
I think the Iris is better optimized for professional tasks. You can't put a Nvidia Quadro card or ATI FireGL card in a MacBook Pro! If you mean professional gamer, then that may be different.
I've been waiting for so long for a vendor to announce an i7-4950HQ part in a laptop. With this part Apple could redesign the chassis to be slimmer, or increase the size of the battery.
From what I can tell, the rMBP has never had close to top-of-the-line CPUs and so the 4950HQ (2nd from the top) will be the highest level of CPU ever put into a rMBP.
I think for people that don't game or do CAD, or other rendering-heavy work, a 4950HQ part is an awesome move. More so if the chassis or battery has been adjusted as a result.
However, I do think Apple needs to include a dGPU option for the many customers who require a dGPU. Therefore, I don't think Apple will redesign the chassis and may simply opt to add an option to buy with a dGPU.
Apple doesn't have a workstation-class laptop and so the rMBP needs to be flexible enough to accommodate a wide variety of customer needs. I wish it did have a workstation-class version of the rMBP which could accommodate 32GB RAM. I would switch from PC to get it. I guess we'll see soon enough.
From what I can tell, the rMBP has never had close to top-of-the-line CPUs and so the 4950HQ (2nd from the top) will be the highest level of CPU ever put into a rMBP.
I think for people that don't game or do CAD, or other rendering-heavy work, a 4950HQ part is an awesome move. More so if the chassis or battery has been adjusted as a result.
However, I do think Apple needs to include a dGPU option for the many customers who require a dGPU. Therefore, I don't think Apple will redesign the chassis and may simply opt to add an option to buy with a dGPU.
Apple doesn't have a workstation-class laptop and so the rMBP needs to be flexible enough to accommodate a wide variety of customer needs. I wish it did have a workstation-class version of the rMBP which could accommodate 32GB RAM. I would switch from PC to get it. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Indeed, only thing that suffers is gaming.
And how much it suffers is remains to be seen.
Will depend on the quality of Mac drivers, the intel drivers may well be more optimized (or less).
Also they can probably make the PCB smaller, meaning more space for battery, or whatever else they wanna fit in there.
These are unenviable decisions for Apple to be making.
If it has both an Iris Pro and a discrete GPU, that will push costs up, so either the machine would have to get more expensive or their margins would have to get thinner.
If it has just an Iris Pro then costs will stay the same or even decline a bit and battery life will increase dramatically.
Put that way, it's easy to see which way Apple will go. They have prioritized battery life at every turn.
And stop asking why we don't have 750GTXs or whatever. The rMBP is a slim computer and can't take parts that hot.
If it has both an Iris Pro and a discrete GPU, that will push costs up, so either the machine would have to get more expensive or their margins would have to get thinner.
If it has just an Iris Pro then costs will stay the same or even decline a bit and battery life will increase dramatically.
Put that way, it's easy to see which way Apple will go. They have prioritized battery life at every turn.
And stop asking why we don't have 750GTXs or whatever. The rMBP is a slim computer and can't take parts that hot.
"Pro" is just a way of naming. Means that it's the higher end of the product lines. Nothing to do with "Designed for pro people" and definitely not "Designed for pro gamers". They could have called it a "Macbook Fast", means it's faster than "Macbook Air". That could have killed all these arguments.
These scores seem to suggest it won't be a huge amount better than the current generation. I'm predicting a new graphics card and better battery life being the top new features. Everything else seems like unnecessary updates. Got the current gen a few months ago and love it! Was worried I'd be annoyed when the Haswell rMBP comes out, looks like I won't need to be.
why would you need/want to use the optical drive on your lap in a car or plane? in a plane, perhaps, if you use it for movies -- but youd be far better off ripping the DVD and playing back w/o spinning up any moving parts. and in a car -- i cant imagine why youd need the notebook on your lap while driving. if just for movies for passengers, again rip it at home for easier playback on the road. saves you battery.
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the MBP isnt, nor ever has been, designed to be an ideal gaming rig. nor did i say it was a cheap machine... my statement is the rMBP is a high-end notebook.
I'd use the retina display for all of my day-to-day stuff. You must play too many games. These are not gaming laptops. I'm sure you can find a laptop elsewhere for less that is just designed for gaming. I look forward to buying one of these for professional work.
It could take those parts. It is not much different the the 650GT in the last model, but I doubt they will include something like the 750 in the refresh. It just doesn't make sense for the target users.
They've done this before. Low-end model has no discrete graphics, allows them to push the price down and phase out the non-retina model. High-end has both the integrated and discrete GPU.
Good luck getting a notebook with PCI-e based SSD.
Good luck getting a notebook with PCI-e based SSD.
i'm not sure.. that would disappoint many, it's a clear step backward, and people clearly see that.
if you want to find out your own, just take the TDP of the gpu and cpu of the actual rMPB, and try to match it with something new in the market, that's the current limit the chassis can dissipate.
i imagine, and many will agree, that iris + dedicated gpu is too much heat to dissipate (though they don't work together, so the maximum instantaneous TDP is less than the sum of the two combined..) also, i don't know if there are data about haswell TDPs with the gpu shut off. it will be nice to know.
i'm a lot curious but also too lazy to do the math, if someone wants to do it.. please come forward!
edit: if i may add, ditching the gpu cannot then justify a ~3k$ model anymore (and even 2k for sane people), so that would force them to modify the whole lineup!
Looking at the 2.4GHz clock speed and the lack of a Dedicated card I think and hope this is just the lower end model and the higher end model will keep a dedicated card.
I'm ready to buy as soon as they go on sale but I'm not paying £2,800 for a laptop with just integrated graphics regardless of how good they say this Iris is it won't beat an NVIDIA 770M and I'd be a mug to spend that kind of money on a notebook without a dedicated card.
I'm ready to buy as soon as they go on sale but I'm not paying £2,800 for a laptop with just integrated graphics regardless of how good they say this Iris is it won't beat an NVIDIA 770M and I'd be a mug to spend that kind of money on a notebook without a dedicated card.
They're not going to do it again as this very expensive Iris Pro chip featured in the benchmarks costs the same as a lower end non-Iris Pro Haswell + GT750M. One thing that Apple likes to hold on to is their profit margins and they're not going to sell the rMBP with a $650+ CPU for $1700. We're looking at the benchmarks of the 'high end' rMBP 15 as the lower priced one will have either the cheaper 4750/4850HQ as their cpu.
I've read in a couple of places that the GT3E Iris Pro Haswell doesn't even have the PCI E 3.0 x16 lanes required for a dGPU.
Lets hope that there are models available with a discrete gpu, I think price points and comparable performance will quickly become laughable if not.
Models without and with a whopping great battery in this form factor will probably be ok for some, but not many.
Models without and with a whopping great battery in this form factor will probably be ok for some, but not many.