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Next-Generation Apple TV Renamed 'iTV', Utilizes Apps, Lacks 1080p?

Andronicus said:
I don't think the lack of tactile operability will hinder the use of the iPhone/touch being used as a controller. You will be able to play board games, like scrabble, and you'll have the board on your tv & the letters on your phone. Or play tx holdem and have the community cards on your tv and your hand on your phone. This could be done with people in the same room who have iPhones or with anyone else who has an iTV. This will become a big part of Apples xbox live type thing they are releasing later this year.

Also, you could play racing games and use the iPhone as a steering wheel. There's lots of games that could take advantage of a touchscreen controller that has accelerometer/gyroscope/etc…
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but think about how the iphone is currently used as a controller.. you're looking at the controls - without looking down at the controller i dont think it would work for more active games - games like scrabble yeah the iphone would be perfect for.

i want a basic bluetooth controller - like a redesigned NES controller with a couple more buttons.
 
720p; what about 1080i?

My Roku box can do 720p, but not 1080i.
My rear projector can do 1080i but not 720p.
So when I watch Roku on my rear Mitsubishi, I must settle for 480p.
Apple, please include a 1080i option.
 
I like how so many people have failed to learn the lesson of the iPad, the iPhone and the iPod...

Everyone keeps coming up with a set of Specs that the new device MUST HAVE OR WILL FAIL FOR EVER. These Specs are targeted at what they personally want out of an ideal device, never consider cost or usability, and are almost always utterly wrong for what apple produces, and how successful not following their "MUST HAVE" spec turns out to be.

Who remembers people saying the iPad *MUST* run OS X or be a failure?
 
Look @ the fanboys rushing in to defend that 720p and 1080p difference is not noticable. Massive fail apple product :rolleyes:
 
viewing distance

http://www.besthdtvscreen.com/guides/hdtv-screen-size-viewing-distance
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html


Not many people actually sit close enough to get the full benefit of 1080p anyway.


No one is streaming media with enough bandwidth to take advantage of 1080p (or 720p) yet, so presuming your TV doesn't have a bad converter/expander, what's the problem?

If your tv does have a bad expander, whose fault is that?


Wanting 1080p for streamed video in 2010 is like demanding a 240hz tv. For most users it's just a number to brag about.
 
damitssam said:
Look @ the fanboys rushing in to defend that 720p and 1080p difference is not noticable. Massive fail apple product :rolleyes:
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speaking of failure, proclaiming failure of an apple product that hasn't launched yet based on information from an apple rumor website.
 
damitssam said:
Look @ the fanboys rushing in to defend that 720p and 1080p difference is not noticable. Massive fail apple product :rolleyes:
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I agree about the 1080p thing. There may not be a lot of live TV content yet, but it will come. I would not invest in anything new at this point that wasn't supporting 1080p. Last year, maybe, but this year, no 1080p equals no sale for me. When it comes to (expensive) TV stuff, I refuse to chase hardware.
 
hismikeness said:
Bottom line: if this thing doesn't do live sporting events somehow, then myself and a lot of other people won't be able to use it as the main source for tv.

If it does do live events, even those on the broadcast channels, I'm all over this.
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This is where (I think) apps like MLB at Bat would shine. Something like that designed for a bigger TV screen would differentiate the new iTV from the older Apple TV.
 
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hismikeness said:
Bottom line: if this thing doesn't do live sporting events somehow, then myself and a lot of other people won't be able to use it as the main source for tv.



If it does do live events, even those on the broadcast channels, I'm all over this.
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This is problematic due to TV rights. Apple would have to win the TV, or in this case internet rights. Existing holders would be pissed if MLS, football league, NBL etc just 'gave' the rights to Apple to show live events.



Winning the rights to show live sport isn't cheap. I doubt this will happen.
 
i can buy a cheapo $100 blu ray player that will play 1080p. $150 will get me an internet blu ray player and $300 a 3d one.

720p movies are the same price on iTunes as blu rays they are more of a PITA to own than blu rays

$300 will buy me a PS3 that will play real games and not the 80's arcade rejects like you find in the App Store. and unlike Apple, Sony won't kill support for a piece of hardware after 2-3 years
 
Considering the existing iTunes movies aren't 1080p, and the App Store games are relatively low res too; chances are Apple doesn't see 1080p output as a huge requirement.

It'd be great for people who want to play their own 1080p movies off a home movie server; but I don't think Apple would be too keen on all those self-ripped (or pirated) movies outshining iTunes movies on quality.

Apple doesn't (yet) have anything to sell at 1080p, so they probably won't include it.
 
whooleytoo said:
Considering the existing iTunes movies aren't 1080p, and the App Store games are relatively low res too; chances are Apple doesn't see 1080p output as a huge requirement.

It'd be great for people who want to play their own 1080p movies off a home movie server; but I don't think Apple would be too keen on all those self-ripped (or pirated) movies outshining iTunes movies on quality.

Apple doesn't (yet) have anything to sell at 1080p, so they probably won't include it.
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which is why most people won't include this crippled box in their home theater set up
 
CyberBob859 said:
This is where (I think) apps like MLB at Bat would shine. Something like that designed for a bigger TV screen would differentiate the new iTV from the older Apple TV.
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MLB already charges more for the iPad app. they would charge more for this. my $100 a month cable bill covers internet, TV and phone. internet would cost at least $50 by itself. $90 or so if i add phone. since apple TV doesn't do reality shows that my wife watches, it's useless
 
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This is problematic due to TV rights. Apple would have to win the TV, or in this case internet rights. Existing holders would be pissed if MLS, football league, NBL etc just 'gave' the rights to Apple to show live events.



Winning the rights to show live sport isn't cheap. I doubt this will happen.
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Don't underestimate Apple's ability to work business deals ;)
 
barberio said:
I like how so many people have failed to learn the lesson of the iPad, the iPhone and the iPod...
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Except the Apple TV is already shipping and is not a huge success. I think people here are simply saying what they need in order to justify purchasing the product.

aughsum said:
speaking of failure, proclaiming failure of an apple product that hasn't launched yet based on information from an apple rumor website.
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Uh ? You can buy this product now :

http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/apple_tv?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

Changing the name doesn't make it any better. People are simply discussing new features rumored to be coming to an existing product.

ph0rk said:
Roku may display 720p, but do any of the streaming providers their box will let you access stream full bandwidth HD 720p, or some compressed format that happens to be 1280x720?
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There is no such thing as RAW video streaming, that would just be insane. Even Blu-ray is compressed. I don't think you have a point besides showing how much you don't know about video codecs.
 
NO 1080?

LAME.

Why is Apple ALWAYS behind in their technology... yet they charge so MUCH for it?

I think Apple is beginning to go rotten more and more these days. First the iMac ussues, then the iPhone problems and now a lackluster Apple TV with real limitations.

Thumbs down!!!!!!!!!
 
KnightWRX said:
There is no such thing as RAW video streaming, that would just be insane. Even Blu-ray is compressed. I don't think you have a point besides showing how much you don't know about video codecs.
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Then there isn't much point in talking about 720p or 1080p as if they were some sort of standard for anything other than resolution and refresh rate, is there?


Streamed video is still bandwidth-constrained right now. There isn't much benefit to displaying the already bandwidth-starved stream in 1080p vs 720p, is there?

Without a major overhaul to the broadband infrastructure in the States, this bandwidth constraint won't change much.
 
alent1234 said:
which is why most people won't include this crippled box in their home theater set up
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Probably!

Personally, I don't have a huge number of HD movies at home (and none of them 1080p) so I wouldn't be bothered by the lack of 1080p support. If I did have a lot of 1080p content, not being able to play it at that resolution would be a deal-breaker.

I'm more concerned about what the device will stream from: internet only? Your iTunes library on your Mac/PC? A Upnp server (hah! I wish).
 
Would you wait for the "iTV"or get an existing "Apple TV"?

I am sorry if this was asked already but I was wondering if anyone was waiting to buy the "Apple TV" until the new version/refresh was announced. Granted the "iTV" is still in rumor-mode but would you keep waiting for the new version or would these features (again only rumors) make you prefer the current model?

Thought I would throw this out there since I myself don't know how I would answer. :confused:

R
 
Who cares about 1080p? I don't want to wait 3 hours for a download or watch a movie that skips, pauses or glitches. True 720p is more than okay (and better quality than cable TV).
 
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