No what? No apple shouldn't make a gaming console? No a performance boost isn't more useful for a computer or a phone?LOL. No.
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No what? No apple shouldn't make a gaming console? No a performance boost isn't more useful for a computer or a phone?LOL. No.
Use your phone or iPad. Occasionally if it looses pairing its one way to not have to restart the ATV.I'm tired of losing my Apple TV remote. I hope Apple makes a cut-out hole for the AirTag.
Hahaha trueGood lord dude. I post a wish for something that wouldn’t bother you one iota and you jump on me as if I spat upon your family crest. Get a grip.
That is the reason we might see a 2024 SoC update, the A15 only have 4 GB RAM, while using a M1/M2 would go up to 8/16 GB RAM. You might want that for using AR enhanced apps with tvOS or something else using more memory than present apps. Games is a 2nd possibility.We need an M1 appleTv open to alternative app stores: welcome steam games on the tv!!
I would never trust Apple on this front. I'd rather let my AVR handle this. I'm already locked out of bitstream audio on my Apple TV. You suggest I let them do this for everything in my signal chain? No way. Apple TV is a great addition to my system as a streamer, and maybe some smart home functionality (which support for is still poor/lacking - hopefully better with Thread/Matter). Anyone serious enough/invested in this sort of thing is already not letting the "TV manage all sound". You're suggesting Apple make an AVR, but I think people in the market for this are likely not to like/trust Apple for this sort of thing; Apple already thumbs it's noses at the audiophile/phool community.What Apple should consider. Making Apple TV a hub for various devices now connected to a TV. Remove the TV from management of all sound. That would make Apple TV HomePod combination a fully functional soundbar for no better term. Plus integrator for other devices like turntables. LG demonstrated a similar concept at CES this year for their wireless TV. Apple knows best, right!
I always wanted Apple TV to offer two HDMI ports so that you could use split bitstream A/V in more elaborate setups, even drive two displays at the same time if you used a 2nd video processor with HDMI interface. A third thought would allow the Apple TV to have a HDMI input so some other source could take advantage of its processing. Apple didn't go far enough with the Apple TV 4K as they could have.I would never trust Apple on this front. I'd rather let my AVR handle this. I'm already locked out of bitstream audio on my Apple TV. You suggest I let them do this for everything in my signal chain? No way. Apple TV is a great addition to my system as a streamer, and maybe some smart home functionality (which support for is still poor/lacking - hopefully better with Thread/Matter). Anyone serious enough/invested in this sort of thing is already not letting the "TV manage all sound". You're suggesting Apple make an AVR, but I think people in the market for this are likely not to like/trust Apple for this sort of thing; Apple already thumbs it's noses at the audiophile/phool community.
6. Bitstreaming audio optionVery strange. Apple TV 4k just needed one update from the original 2017 model and it looks like we're getting 3!
All that was needed was:
All these could have been achieved in 2021 - HDMI 2.1 chips were readily available, the A15 had just launched (and is likely to be a chip that is made for a long time as the iPhone 13 slides down the range along with the iPad Mini and presumably 11th gen iPad). Instead we've piecemeal updates with 2021 adding point 1 and half-arsing points 3 (A12) and 5 (eARC) and 2022 adding a bit more of point 3 (QMS) and 5 (A15) and it looks like a 2024 update adding who knows what else.
- Better remote
- 48 Gbps HDMI bandwidth (aka HDMI 2.1 as most people call it)
- HDMI 2.1 feature set (VRR, QMS, eARC, QFT, ALLM etc)
- Better codec support - DTS (even Sonos have started supporting this*), VVC and AV1 with DTS-MA/X as wish list (Disney+ has started using DTS on their Imax versions of films)
- Up to date chip to ensure good supply line (no point Apple isn't going to keep making the A10X just for the Apple TV)
I used to get all the Apple TV updates as I love the product (it is the default way for me to use my TV), but no more until I feel that the drip-feeding of features has stopped. Apple likes to release devices at a regular interval, but unless they actually go into gaming the Apple TV is not one of them.
*The Sonos website has a disclaimer that makes me think that some DTS patents have expired and they could decode DTS without paying for a licence/royalty fee. If True, there is no reason why Apple couldn't do this also.
I'm surprised that the lack of innovation in tvOS has not yet been mentioned in this thread.At this point it’s the software that needs help. I still see grey rectangles when I try to browse my library. The Up Next horizontal scrolling is barely useable on a screen filled with ads.
It's the same problem as older iPadOS with non M1/M2 iPads, lack of RAM available to be used by the OS. Lots of storage doesn't mitigate missing comparable RAM.I'm surprised that the lack of innovation in tvOS has not yet been mentioned in this thread.
They need to support bitstreaming on a single HDMI port first. Many would gladly upgrade for that alone....two HDMI ports so that you could use split bitstream A/V in more elaborate setups...
I would respectfully disagree; more RAM is not necessarily a requirement for new features.It's the same problem as older iPadOS with non M1/M2 iPads, lack of RAM available to be used by the OS. Lots of storage doesn't mitigate missing comparable RAM.
It is if you want to have a better GUI. Considering the resolution available its not comparable to the same App interface in IPadOS that allows extras, such as cast, views, suggested TV/Movies content on a sVOD app ir using a Mac browser to the same sVoD service. Why do consumers with a tvOS streaming app have to use a iPad or a Mac to decide what they want to watch? While Apple TV + app tries to do this it ends up being a greatly enlarged scrollable mess because everything is so large on a 4K display. The netflix app for example can't even show whats new properly. It's a systemic problem with tvOS right now, can't shows extras.I would respectfully disagree; more RAM is not necessarily a requirement for new features.
You mean like the Prime Video app that already exists on tvOS? Which is admittedly horrible. But has nothing to do with RAM.It is if you want to have a better GUI. Considering the resolution available its not comparable to the same App interface in IPadOS that allows extras, such as cast, views, suggested TV/Movies content on a sVOD app ir using a Mac browser to the same sVoD service. Why do consumers with a tvOS streaming app have to use a iPad or a Mac to decide what they want to watch? While Apple TV + app tries to do this it ends up being a greatly enlarged scrollable mess because everything is so large on a 4K display. The netflix app for example can't even show whats new properly. It's a systemic problem with tvOS right now, can't shows extras.
You do realize that tvOS is just a very limited 24/7 adaption of iOS. Just like iPadOS is an extended iOS for larger displays where you're no longer looking at apps only in a mobile view, instead using a desktop view. Whatever your preference compare the navigation interfaces between a browser interface using desktop to any tvOS app that serves as its substitute.You mean like the Prime Video app that already exists on tvOS? Which is admittedly horrible. But has nothing to do with RAM.
I'm not sure what wild tangent you went off on, but I still contend more RAM isn't necessarily required for additional features. Sure, you might have come up with a use case that would require more RAM, but you are using it a blanket statement, thus making your argument invalid.You do realize that tvOS is just a very limited 24/7 adaption of iOS. Just like iPadOS is an extended iOS for larger displays where you're no longer looking at apps only in a mobile view, instead using a desktop view. Whatever your preference compare the navigation interfaces between a browser interface using desktop to any tvOS app that serves as its substitute.
While I understand your concerns, I would rather deal with Apple. One integrated interface as opposed to 20, 30 or more. Plus the software updates of those other guys all over the map. Always the option of not using an Apple solution.I would never trust Apple on this front. I'd rather let my AVR handle this. I'm already locked out of bitstream audio on my Apple TV. You suggest I let them do this for everything in my signal chain? No way. Apple TV is a great addition to my system as a streamer, and maybe some smart home functionality (which support for is still poor/lacking - hopefully better with Thread/Matter). Anyone serious enough/invested in this sort of thing is already not letting the "TV manage all sound". You're suggesting Apple make an AVR, but I think people in the market for this are likely not to like/trust Apple for this sort of thing; Apple already thumbs it's noses at the audiophile/phool community.
What is "Up Next"? and where are you seeing ads on an Apple TV?At this point it’s the software that needs help. I still see grey rectangles when I try to browse my library. The Up Next horizontal scrolling is barely useable on a screen filled with ads.
My 2021 version works perfectly well, I see no need to upgrade eitherI have all three gens bought gen two about five months before gen three was announced l was pissed about that now l just ordered a gen three. I will not be upgrading until there's something game changing.
Up Next is in the Watch Now tab. It’s a horizontally scrolling list of shows you’ve watched and may want to continue. Everything else on the page is an ad. There is a huge ad above Up Next. Below Up Next are more ads for things Apple wants me to watch.What is "Up Next"? and where are you seeing ads on an Apple TV?
I’m curious why the increased update frequency. You’d think it would be cheaper to put the latest tech in it and make the update timeline longer.
Careful you all. Don't get expectations high. For all we know the next update could take us back a generation or two with processing speed, BT and WiFi radios, etc. Who knows, they might even return to the late 70's early 80's ultrasonic remote just so we can have "a real clicker" again.It need WiFi 6E and BT 5.3, so, there's that for an update.
Oh! In the Apple TV app! I never use it and don't allow it to access play history or connect any other apps to it, so I wouldn't know about that.Up Next is in the Watch Now tab. It’s a horizontally scrolling list of shows you’ve watched and may want to continue. Everything else on the page is an ad. There is a huge ad above Up Next. Below Up Next are more ads for things Apple wants me to watch.