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LOL you ppl need to stop following Apple so closely and open your eyes.

4x blueray drive for a PC is only $20 MORE than a DVDRW

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106325

is $20 going to break the bank in your case?
An iMac would need a thin, slot loading BD drive. We are talking north of $150 for that.
 
HD downloadable content works fine for me, I don't care about expensive BD capability on my iMac. Optical storage has been largely supplanted by more affordable back up drives.

I do care about having a quad core processor though. The iMac needs quad core to remain competitive as that is where most other manufacturers are going at that price level.

Hopefully we'll see a 30" screen in the future as well, BD might be nice then. Though I imagine we may seen an iTunes enabled Apple TV before that.
 
a quad i7 mobile, hdmi input, and new backlighting would be perfect for me. not really expecting the video in, though.
 
The readers are around $50-60. The combo drives (burns DVD/CD but only reads blu-ray) are around $100+. The blu-ray burners are around $200+.

The LG Super Blu (or whatever its called) BD-RE is now going for $199 at Best Buy. I picked one up there several months ago when it was $220. It is a good drive but the software bundle isn't so great. The copy of PowerDVD included does not support digital audio over SPDIF connections so I had to upgrade it to the most current version, which was at an additional cost.

How are the burn speeds? How long does it take to back up 25 GB BluRay with important data? I am interesting if this can be done quickly but at 4x I am skeptical
 
So untrue. On a large, high-def TV blu-ray movies look beautiful, notably better than DVD. I order them from Netflix all the time, and you can't compare. Maybe you're not watching them on the right kind of equipment.

I don't think you get my point.

Millions or billions of people are still very far from having an HDTV. And even if they did, Macs are not meant to replace their living room sets, so the point of having a built-in reader in Macs is moot. Unless you show me the same ripping possibilities that DVD offers for those who want to stream or put their legally bought content in other home media supports.

I support BluRay and love the format on TV. I am just not willing to pay for it on a 24" computer screen.

BluRay belongs on TV - that is my motto in this "conflict" :)

Thank you. There is absolutely no point in having Blu-Stillborn-Ray on Macs...unless you love to create 50Gb backups every day.

Statistical data please or what Bubba said. Put the bong down.

Go search my post on MR, I won't do it for ya.

Source? Why do they bother to sit on Blu-rays Board of Directors then?

In 1999, people wondered why anyone would want to watch a movie on their computer let alone their 15” CRT desktop display. But we had DVD in our iMacs.

They bother to sit there because they are interested in the technology somehow; it doesn't mean they have to adopt it at the same time as the rest of the benighted industry.

AGAIN, the point is very simple...of course Blu-Ray looks better than DVD in terms of definition, and of course it has more storage space as a media.

This does NOT mean that Macs need it now, that the price difference is compensated by the marginal quality gains for the average consumer, and that people are buying their stupidly overpriced discs in droves. Not to mention that the appeal is even lower for those who are thinking of using such discs on their smaller screen desktops only...Apple will have Blu-Stinking-Ray when it deems necessary, perhaps as a BTO or by providing full OS support for it (if this is not already the case).
 
If I were designing the new iMac's I would not include bluray.

However I don't care for the bluray technology at all and its destined to fail. Downloadable, storage and streaming are the future and that's where it's headed. I don't need a stinking disc, just give me the same technology in downloadable material and a way to play it and you've got a winner.
 
Just buy a ps3 and stop complaining. In terms of video editing and burning your final product onto bluray? That's a joke. First, no serious video editor uses an iMac for HD content. Furthermore, who actually distributes video via disc anymore?

The reasons to include bluray on the iMac are slim to none for the average consumer. Stop trying to justify it.

Macs are expensive enough, why should we have to add the price of a PS3 on top the premium we already pay? Who distributes video via disk? The movie studies do. Why does the world revolve around you? Why is it wrong to purchase a PC to use it the way I want?
 
How are the burn speeds? How long does it take to back up 25 GB BluRay with important data? I am interesting if this can be done quickly but at 4x I am skeptical

4x is ~18 MB/s. So to burn 25 GB would take ~25 minutes, but I doubt the speed is "flat line", burning is slower in the beginnig and faster in the end.
 
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: You must not have watched HD content on an Samsung 8000 series LED HDTV (1080p). It is AMAZING!

Though on an iPod or a smaller TV (42 and less) I find that HD content is overkill.

Lol hahaha sorry. Guess I need to get me a Samsung then huh? :D
 
Macs are expensive enough, why should we have to add the price of a PS3 on top the premium we already pay? Who distributes video via disk? The movie studies do. Why does the world revolve around you? Why is it wrong to purchase a PC to use it the way I want?

Because that's the way Apple makes money and conquers markets...not by believing a handful of MR members, but by REALLY identifying consumer needs throughout their target segments.

Not happy? Go buy a PC. That's what people craving for the fabled headless xMac already do, I presume...without ANY damage to Apple's bottomline.
 
The "video editing community" doesn't "burn" anything, they create HD video on HD cameras, edit it on Macs (which have fully supported HD for ages)

Fully Support? I have an AVCHD Canon HD camcorder. Found out the hard way that Macs don't fully support that format. Do a google search for "AVCHD Mac" and see what I mean. You need better than a Core 2 Duo to adequately edit AVCHD on macs. It's what made me decide to buy a Windows PC + Sony Vegas over a Mac Pro for triple the price.
 
Well, its not like the leap from VHS to DVD as the physicals haven't changed. If you have the right equipment, its a generous improvement. Blu-Ray is also, slowly, becoming the format of choice for many people who simply don't want to buy 2 versions of the same film. More important for portable users, I would think, than iMac.

Ahh, there we go. I see. Thanks !
 
Quad core is needed much much more than Blu-ray at this point. I doubt very much we are going to get both so if i had to choose id go quad all the way. If they stick at core 2 duo but add built in Blu-Ray reader and make the case slightly thinner how is that an improvement of note?
 
I really do not think that the new iMac will have a quad core. If this where to happen then it would eat into the mac pro quad core line up.

I'm pretty sure this claim has now been thoroughly debunked. The iMac is a consumer desktop, Clarksfield are consumer CPUs. The Mac Pro is a workstation, with workstation-class Xeons.

Dell sells Core 2 Quad Vostro models alongside Xeon-based Precision workstations, and nothing "cannibalizes sales" from anything else. Quad ≠ workstation.
 
The newer processor is nice, but hasn't the performance bottleneck in iMacs always been the motherboard and graphics? Or, as my non-Mac friends would tease me, "Laptop hardware in a desktop form factor at server pricing."
 
Fully Support? I have an AVCHD Canon HD camcorder. Found out the hard way that Macs don't fully support that format. Do a google search for "AVCHD Mac" and see what I mean. You need better than a Core 2 Duo to adequately edit AVCHD on macs. It's what made me decide to buy a Windows PC + Sony Vegas over a Mac Pro for triple the price.

i tried using Vegas, but I couldn't stand the interface.
 
Quad core is needed much much more than Blu-ray at this point. I doubt very much we are going to get both so if i had to choose id go quad all the way. If they stick at core 2 duo but add built in Blu-Ray reader and make the case slightly thinner how is that an improvement of note?

man you people are used to getting jerked around....

apple releases 1 small upgrade, you ditch your machine and buy the new one
apple releases another small upgrade, again you ditch and buy
then ANOTHER small upgrade you ditch and buy.

how about they release a computer thats UP TO DATE with CURRENT 2009 standards. and then you buy? if not, dont throw away your money.

currently computers have........

quad core i7s (not crappy i5s, becuase apple's pricing is not "Budget" pricing, i5s are for slow machines)

tripple ch ram (almost all i7 boards have tripple ch slots)

a real graphics card, a 9400 is a sad joke by todays standards.

most desktops have BD roms at least if not burners (in apple's price range)

1080p LCD's at a minimum
 
I don't care about BD at all, I just want quad-core.

Otherwise, I'll have to save longer for a Mac Pro. I might end up doing that anyway even if the new iMacs have a quad option, since I don't want an all-in-one.
 
How are the burn speeds? How long does it take to back up 25 GB BluRay with important data? I am interesting if this can be done quickly but at 4x I am skeptical

The only blu-ray I burned with mine was on a dual layer disc (50 GB). It does single layer at 8x, which is around 35 MB/s (I would guess 15-20 minutes for a full 25GB). I can't remember what speed dual-layer is rated at, but I think my disc was only 2x so it took a while. The LG can actually burn single layer at 8x even if the disc isn't rated for it. It is some special feature of that brand.
 
CRAPPY 16:9 TN 1080p LCD's at a minimum

Fixed.

God bless the 24-inch base iMac with its 9400 but with its gorgeous 24" 16:10 IPS LCD Panel (worth 500$ ALONE, making the current 24" imac an excellent bang for the bucks).

If you don't play, 9400 is GOOD.

Whereas a crappy LCD is crappy for every use.
 
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