Next-Generation iMac to Offer Two 'Compelling' New Features?

[147798]

Amazing how Americans forget their own foray into piracy when considering the nature of copyright laws in the US 200 years ago - where it was perfectly legal for a person to sell a non-authorised copy of a book and sell it to customers; the best example of this 'piracy' was Charles Dickens books and him getting annoyed that he was receiving no royalties off the books sold in the Americas.

But hey, beating up on the Chinese and calling them 'a threat' is an American past time - a diversion tactic to avoid realising the empire is collapsing.

blah, blah, blah. You sound like a jealous older sibling or something.

Very relevant -- piracy 200 years ago. Let's not forget the English's rape of various nations 200-600 years ago, with Ireland being quite recent, but is that a relevant point for today? Hardly.

Don't forget the mistakes of the past, but you deal with the issues of today, not of yesterday.

 

[sushiman]

But hey, beating up on the Chinese and calling them 'a threat' is an American past time - a diversion tactic to avoid realising the empire is collapsing.

I'm old enough to remember when it was the Japanese who were considered a threat ! Now it's the Chinese . :eek

America has seen better days . Pretty soon they'll be using the US$ for toilet paper in posh Tokyo and Shanghai hotels .

 

[Burnsey]

Matte, Quad, LED iMac with bluray would be sweet.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

aero is nice, and no, there are not a "half dozzen UIS" but rather a half dozzen controls and command bars

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2308

each also has a different hover over, as a windows 7 fan, I hate it.

UI's are controls and command bars. A UI is an user interface, command bars and controls are components of the UI. TO talk about UI's, I am talking about the variety of ways in which they are implemented which results in an inconsistent UI.

Nothing has stopped Microsoft from creating a clean command bar and control set from scratch based on Direct2D and DirectWrite, then move all their bundled applications included with Windows across to it - I mean, for christ sake, how many programmers do they have? If Apple can do it with considerably less people, I'm sure Microsoft could pull it off with almost unlimited resources at their disposal.

Both Apple and Microsoft have their faults

Remember, if Apple was soooooooooooooo perfect, then why the need for the security upgrades? 10.5.8?

Stop moving the goal posts - the discussion isn't about security updates for Mac OS X. I am talking about the lack of fixing up those fundamentals, those architectural issues that underpin the operating systems; the security problems with Mac OS X have nothing to do with that and everything to do with coding cockups.

I watch movies on my laptop.

and you can only use the stoarge if its a blu-ray BURNER.

It was pretty obvious I was talking about a writer when I talked about storage - do I really need to be explicit about everything I write on this forum? is there a complete lack of implied statements. If I talk about BluRay and storage, I must also be talking about a burner given to use BluRay as a storage device I'd need it to have writing capabilities?

 

[donlphi]

You can already do that - so stop lying.



How many people actually watch movies on their laptop?

The only reason why I want it is storage; as for movies, I couldn't care less - I don't want to see the system slowing technology of secure path coming to Mac OS X just so I can watch a movie.

I was actually kidding abou the right click thing, and it just seemed like blu-ray seems like the next obvious step. I don't care to watch movies on my mac, but I would like to take the home movies I've taken with my 1080p Sony HD camcorder and put them on blu-ray. My parents and grandparents live pretty far away and I'm sure they would love to watch their grandson (great grandson) grow up without having to watch grainy video online. A blu-ray disc would make a nice gift.

Should my hard drive or backup drive ever crash, I would lose a lot of priceless (priceless to me and my wife) information.

There is no reason why iMovie shouldn't support true HD.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Actually, a lot. Just look around you on the plane.

Go into Dick Smiths in New Zealand and out of 20 something laptops on display, you'd be lucky to find 2-3 with bluray drives let alone bluray burners. The number of people I interact with who have BluRay anything - well, they don't exist, I've yet to come across a person with one.

I don't know about the US of A, but the rest of us poverty stricken foreigners certainly don't see every laptop on the shelf with BluRay as standard. Sony, the creator of BluRay:

http://sony.co.nz/products/product/computer/notebook-panel-pc.jsp

How come the overwhelming majority of computers don't have BluRay? you may have NZ$6000 to throw around but 95% of people don't. You may think it is 'normal' to travel on private jets but for the rest of us - we sit in stowage.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

blah, blah, blah. You sound like a jealous older sibling or something.

Why should I remotely care about the US; the only reason why foreigners go to the US is to make money - it certainly isn't to go there and soak up the superficial culture that exists. When I go there the end of next year - it'll be to pay off my student loan, nothing to do with it being the 'land of opportunity' other than 'to make alot of dollars then bugger off after 3 years'.

Very relevant -- piracy 200 years ago. Let's not forget the English's rape of various nations 200-600 years ago, with Ireland being quite recent, but is that a relevant point for today? Hardly.

Don't forget the mistakes of the past, but you deal with the issues of today, not of yesterday.

Why do you assume I'm English? what evidence do you have to prove that? do you know anything about my family heritage?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

I'm old enough to remember when it was the Japanese who were considered a threat ! Now it's the Chinese . :eek

America has seen better days . Pretty soon they'll be using the US$ for toilet paper in posh Tokyo and Shanghai hotels .

I hope things will improve but the US has been on a downward slope for the last 40 years - get back to the fundamentals; making widgets, exporting them and importing things you don't specialise in, reduce the barriers to trade, encourage saving and investment instead of mass consumption (which is what has been happening for the last 40 years).

The problem is that the only solution US politicians have is, "we need to get the consumer spending more!" as if they hadn't learnt the lesson form the last 8 years. The US has turned into a giant retail shopping mall with little manufacturing and export related jobs contributing to real economic growth.

I only need to go into the local supermarket to have a look at the American made products; most of them are crap. Everything is either laden to the brim with hydrogenated fats, high fructose corn syrup or some other horrid combination of garbage one could classify as barely edible. You wonder why those outside the third world have very little interest in purchasing American made foods?

Lets get started on the cars - The Chrysler is so expensive in New Zealand, it is cheaper to purchase a BWM, Mercedes or Alpha Romeo instead. Why would you want to purchase an ugly looking yank-tank for a price higher than a gorgeously style European style car?

 

[147798]

Why should I remotely care about the US; the only reason why foreigners go to the US is to make money - it certainly isn't to go there and soak up the superficial culture that exists. When I go there the end of next year - it'll be to pay off my student loan, nothing to do with it being the 'land of opportunity' other than 'to make alot of dollars then bugger off after 3 years'.



Why do you assume I'm English? what evidence do you have to prove that? do you know anything about my family heritage?

I don't assume you are English, but you mentioned Dickens, so the reference to England was taken up. But in all history, there is no "righteous" country. Only countries with self-interest, which you would expect them to have.

But your slams against the US reveal that you clearly use it as some kind of yardstick.

btw -- you confuse terms. What is the "land of opportunity" mean, except to improve your position in a way you can't elsewhere, which is exactly what you are admitting you are doing. Also, the use of the term "bugger" -- excepting if you used it purposely to throw someone off -- at least denotes you as from someplace with crown influence.

But please, don't both coming to this "land of opportunity" if you would really hate it. Life is too short, I would think, for going somewhere you seem to so severely dislike.

 

[Target362]

Stop moving the goal posts - the discussion isn't about security updates for Mac OS X. I am talking about the lack of fixing up those fundamentals, those architectural issues that underpin the operating systems; the security problems with Mac OS X have nothing to do with that and everything to do with coding cockups.

if you really want to be technall, this discussion is not about windows 7 eirther. We both got off topic there.

It was pretty obvious I was talking about a writer when I talked about storage - do I really need to be explicit about everything I write on this forum? is there a complete lack of implied statements. If I talk about BluRay and storage, I must also be talking about a burner given to use BluRay as a storage device I'd need it to have writing capabilities?

chill

Go into Dick Smiths in New Zealand and out of 20 something laptops on display, you'd be lucky to find 2-3 with bluray drives let alone bluray burners. The number of people I interact with who have BluRay anything - well, they don't exist, I've yet to come across a person with one.

Why would I go to some place in New Zeland? You do realize there is a whole other world out there outside "dick smiths" in New zealand.

I don't know about the US of A, but the rest of us poverty stricken foreigners certainly don't see every laptop on the shelf with BluRay as standard. Sony, the creator of BluRay:

http://sony.co.nz/products/product/computer/notebook-panel-pc.jsp

How come the overwhelming majority of computers don't have BluRay? you may have NZ$6000 to throw around but 95% of people don't. You may think it is 'normal' to travel on private jets but for the rest of us - we sit in stowage.

You have a point, but then again, theres no need to get all hostile over it/

Why should I remotely care about the US; the only reason why foreigners go to the US is to make money

as well as live off the government, bring their crime, drugs and family to over poplate the country and cause even more trouble with their crime and drugs.

oh wait, thats the people from the south - my bad

/rant

 

[wackymacky]

Until we're all so dumbed down that all we can do is point at things on our shiny screens and grunt (yes I know we're pretty close, but we're not there yet), there is no way that touch screen desktops are ever going to have any practical use or purpose for 99 per cent of the people who use a Mac. It isn't going to happen. Period. Don't even think about it. Forget it, read some philosophy instead. Anything. Anything but think about touch screen desktops. They HAVE NO USE WHATSOEVER.

"no use" is a little harsh, but keybord short cuts must be quicker.

Plus I'm forever trying to keep my iPhone screen clean. I don't want to be faced with the same problem with my Mac. I need touch on my iMac as much as I need a keybord on my oven.

I can't really see anything too exciting. USB3. (I think firewire's dead).

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

What a stupid post you made - using your logic, because a Dell Precision Laptop can be bought by a consumer, it is therefore a consumer laptop. Because I can purchase an enterprise server from Sun Microsystems, it too is a consumer product. Because I can purchase a second hand WWII tank off ebay, it is a consumer form of transport.

Apple does noting to distinguish the MacBook from the MacBook Pro other than the case. There is no special section in the store, physical or online. They're both right near each other. You might say the MacBook Pro is a "prosumer" product because it uses consumer-grade products with a pro sticker.

The only real pro thing in Apple's lineup is the Mac Pro.

 

[be-b0p]

i would love if it looked the LED Cinema display, except with alu. bezel instead of the black bezel.

 

[Target362]

"no use" is a little harsh, but keybord short cuts must be quicker.

Plus I'm forever trying to keep my iPhone screen clean. I don't want to be faced with the same problem with my Mac. I need touch on my iMac as much as I need a keybord on my oven.

I can't really see anything too exciting. USB3. (I think firewire's dead).

na, bad move to drop firewire. See how people reacted to the macbooks. They added it back because people wanted it.

So untill firewire is compeltly dead (meaning every device that sues firefire no longer uses firewire), I don't see it being removed.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Apple does noting to distinguish the MacBook from the MacBook Pro other than the case. There is no special section in the store, physical or online. They're both right near each other. You might say the MacBook Pro is a "prosumer" product because it uses consumer-grade products with a pro sticker.

The only real pro thing in Apple's lineup is the Mac Pro.

Oh come on, this is pathetic, now you're splitting hairs even further.

MacBook = Consumer
MacBook Pro = Professional/Portable Workstation
iMac = Consumer
Mac Pro = Professional

Its pretty damn obvious by the name of the product who the intended audience is. So you hate Apple computers, good on you - but don't expect to get any kudos from your ignorant stance on this forum.

Apple has made it quite clear what the demarkation line is between professional and consumer - its not mine, Apples or anyone else's fault that you're grasping at straws to justify your blind hatred of a Apple.

As for 'Prosumer' you might as well apply it to Mac Pro because it uses consumer based graphics cards in their machines - pathetic, truly are pathetic. I'm surprised you haven't been warned or suspended with this blatant trolling - then again, I guess the moderators are more interested in cracking down on people like me than stopping trolls who generate traffic and therefore ad revenue.

 

[wackymacky]

Go into Dick Smiths in New Zealand and out of 20 something laptops on display, you'd be lucky to find 2-3 with bluray drives let alone bluray burners. The number of people I interact with who have BluRay anything - well, they don't exist, I've yet to come across a person with one.

I don't know about the US of A, but the rest of us poverty stricken foreigners certainly don't see every laptop on the shelf with BluRay as standard. Sony, the creator of BluRay:

http://sony.co.nz/products/product/computer/notebook-panel-pc.jsp

How come the overwhelming majority of computers don't have BluRay? you may have NZ$6000 to throw around but 95% of people don't. You may think it is 'normal' to travel on private jets but for the rest of us - we sit in stowage.

Not that I'd let the piece of crap in my house, but you can buy a Dell laptop with blue-ray for half of that in New Zealand.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Not that I'd let the piece of crap in my house, but you can buy a Dell laptop with blue-ray for half of that in New Zealand.

Where? I don't see a single laptop on Dell.co.nz that has bluray as standard; maybe I'm blind but provide me with a direct link to the system you're talking about.

 

[Burke]

By the way, what would be the timeframe for updated iMacs? January-February as usual, or would that change based on Apple not doing Macworld anymore?

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

By the way, what would be the timeframe for updated iMacs? January-February as usual, or would that change based on Apple not doing Macworld anymore?

Apple could always hold their own special event, like they do for the iPods.

 

[jouster]

Why should I remotely care about the US; the only reason why foreigners go to the US is to make money - it certainly isn't to go there and soak up the superficial culture that exists.

Classy.

 

[Firefly2002]

Amazing how Americans forget their own foray into piracy when considering the nature of copyright laws in the US 200 years ago - where it was perfectly legal for a person to sell a non-authorised copy of a book and sell it to customers; the best example of this 'piracy' was Charles Dickens books and him getting annoyed that he was receiving no royalties off the books sold in the Americas.

But hey, beating up on the Chinese and calling them 'a threat' is an American past time - a diversion tactic to avoid realising the empire is collapsing.

And let's not forget we're talking about stealing copyrighted material... when we pirated the damn country we live in =x

 

[Burke]

Apple could always hold their own special event, like they do for the iPods.

I was curious as I am puttering along on an AMD Turion notebook right now and would like a new desktop...

 

[deconstruct60]

Amazing how Americans forget their own foray into piracy when considering the nature of copyright laws in the US 200 years ago - where it was perfectly legal for a person to sell a non-authorised copy of a book and sell it to customers; the best example of this 'piracy' was Charles Dickens books and him getting annoyed that he was receiving no royalties off the books sold in the Americas.

Since Charles Dickens died (1870) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dickens#Notable_works_by_Charles_Dickens]
before the Berne treaty was signed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works) his works existed before the foundations of international copyrights had been formed. If he or his publisher had bothered to get on a boat and register a copy of his books with the Copyright office here in the US his works would have been protected (as much as the law allowed in that time period.). Since they did not, they were not. The same was true for his works in France in that term period (however, they probably did dash across the channel to do a multiple country file). Most likely the snoozed and they lost money. If you like to point out where the rule of law in the US was not followed and he lost money let's see the example.

By the way China joined Berne in 1992. What is there excuse for not following the rule of law in this century?

But hey, beating up on the Chinese and calling them 'a threat' is an American past time - a diversion tactic to avoid realising the empire is collapsing.

Diversions? LOL. What, like this off topic, inaccurate observation you injected into this thread? Or high fructose corn syrup as it relates to HD video disks or iMacs features?



Please. CH-DVD players are hot because of the cheap disks.

http://arstechnica.com/business/new...cs-outsell-blu-ray-by-3-1-margin-in-china.ars

tells TV Tokyo that while the players are more expensive than DVD players (almost $300), the discs are cheap, and she expects the format to spread rapidly because of a marked difference in quality between DVD and CBHD. Retail cost of CBHD discs worked out to about US$7.40, while Blu-Ray discs cost US$29.60—close to what they do in the USA.

So the players themselves are just as expensive as Blu-ray is here. This disks from the back-alley vendors are going to be even cheaper.
Plus the chuckle on the difference that some folks here swear doesn't exist in the content.

That says diddy squat about "blaming china" the "fall of the American Empire".

 

[o2xygen]

Go into Dick Smiths in New Zealand and out of 20 something laptops on display, you'd be lucky to find 2-3 with bluray drives let alone bluray burners. The number of people I interact with who have BluRay anything - well, they don't exist, I've yet to come across a person with one.

If you ever buy a laptop from Dick Smith's, you're overspending. Especially if your dumb enough to buy one of their "amazing" Acer E-Machines they have on sale.

I would like to see Blu-Ray and a price drop, right now I cant see myself ever considering to spend that much on an iMac, its just not worth it.

 

[Target362]

Since Charles Dickens died (1870) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dickens#Notable_works_by_Charles_Dickens]

what about Charles Widmore?