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It looks like BD is dominating the wanted feature portion of this post. what i don't understand is that this being a mac enthusiast site and i would gauge there is a significant percentage of folks that would like the option of native BD support and hardware availability, why so much friction over this? BD support takes compromises nothing about your current hardware solution all it does is allow for more options. I honestly don't understand the comments that say "blu-ray sucks" or "up scaled DVD's look just as good", it is the HD standard right now, allow us mac users the same hardware options as windows boxes. Not only that, but apple has been on the board of directors for BD since 2005, no excuses, give the people what they want.


Depending upon how close one sits to the screen and the size of the screen, it is usually difficult to determine whether high definition is better than standard DVDs. I have a 1080p projector system with a 92" screen and I can tell you the difference is noticeable. Standard DVDs upscaled to high definition still doesn't look as good as a Blu Ray or HD DVD movie because the information encoded in the high definition disc is far greater than a standard DVD. With smaller TV screen (smaller than 60") the difference is very slight and with smaller computer screen the difference is even less noticeable.
 
there is a significant percentage of folks that would like the option of native BD support and hardware availability

The key word here is option people! Don't want it? Don't chose it. Simple as that. Its not like they will be forcing you to use it.
 
Which also doesn't have Blu-Ray...which is incredible given the high price tag.
I've seen people buy the Mac Pro just to web browse. Apple might want still want to keep the appearance that the people that are buying the Mac Pro know how to install an optical drive.
 
this from the guy who thinks an imac with bluray will be be a match for a dedicated home cinema:rolleyes:

i never said that little kid.

anyway, we are getting off topic. Lets get back to it shell we?

I wonder if the new Imacs will arive in september along with snow leopard and apple will have one event to launch their ipods, snow leopard and imacs. save money too by doing one event.....
 
i never said Im a little kid.

anyway, we are getting off topic. Lets get back to it shell we?

I wonder if the new Imacs will arive in september along with snow leopard and apple will have one event to launch their ipods, snow leopard and imacs. save money too by doing one event.....

yes lets:cool:
 
An interesting Catch-22 debate, as some posters here say that it [Core i7 iMac] won't happen because of too much heat generation...and yet, when the financial implications of burning 'more power' comes up in a different conversation, the voices rise to claim that the i7 is now an extremely frugal sipper that burns no more power per year than the laptop Chips.

Actually, never was it claimed that an i7 "burns no more power per year than a laptop chip".

If you look at the measurements in that "different conversation" (at https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8190435/), you'll see that under similar conditions you see the costs for power of:

$49/year - iMac 24" 2.93
$69/year - XPS i7 940 (2.93) + 24" Dell LCD

So, for a system that's 3 to 4 times more powerful, you pay an extra $20 year for power.

That page also shows that the max power draw for the XPS i7 without monitor is about 250 watts, which is about 30 watts more than the top for an iMac *with* the monitor. At 70 watts for a 24" monitor, that puts the i7 about 100 watts over the much less capable iMac.
 
iMac touch and Snow Leopard make perfect sense

Genius...in the land of fantasy. What you're talking about would require not only a complete rewrite of the OS, it would also require a complete overhaul of all hardware. Not to mention all the third party stuff which would have to be reconfigured. i.e. completely not something that would come out in September or anytime in the next few years. The problem with touch screen is that although some people and some devices have a use for it (iPhone etc), most people and most desktop devices do not. For Apple the problem is how to incorporate what would essentially be a new UI that is not only practical but universally implementable in the Mac platform. In my opinion they are going the right way about it by doing it via touchpads, not touch screens. The morph from mouse to touchpad is cleaner, easier and more ergonomically logical than that required from mouse/keyboard to touchscreen (not to mention the additional cost of physically producing touchscreens).


Well, actually Apple *has* infact just rewritten its entire OS -- and is about to release Snow Leopard around the same timeframe we expect the new iMacs. Apple told everybody that almost all of the changes in Snow Leopard are under the hood. But why should Apple not use touch screens in its Mac lineup? A touchpad won't just cut it, because people want to touch their photos, videos, heck, even their music. Do you really think the iPhone would have been such a killer device if it just came with a touchpad? No, sir! The touch screen is the most simple, most natural and most intuitive way to interact with a bitmap screen. Period. And Apple shattered the industry with its patented multitouch implementation in the iPhone; it was a huge revellation how things are supposed to work and how paradigms are about to shift in the IT world. The iPhone raised the bar for upcoming computers aswell as for mobile devices. Today, people are spoiled with the experience on their iPhones and they expect computers to get as easy to handle as the iPhone. So the Mac must follow the iPhone in terms of multitouch way *beyond* the touchpad.

Apple knows that. I bet my mouse that they built scores of touch screen iMac prototypes during the past couple of years, but found out that touch screens make no sense when they are fixed in an upright position (as HP does for example). So why shouldn't they try to figure out some hinge that lets you pull your iMac from its usual position into a horizontal, flat second position -- hovering a few inches above your keyboard and mouse on your desktop. I am sure they solved much bigger problems than this one in their past. The OS woudn't even need a full rewrite to support such a machine, all it needs is an API to support the touch screen -- and guess what... Snow Leopard does infact come with such an API called "CoreTouch", so developers can easily add multitouch to their existing apps. Apple also did a complete rewrite of the regular finder that we all know and love. Since it is now finally a cocoa app, it should also be possible to use resolution independet displaying routines that have been at the core of OS X for many years already.

So without adding much more brainpower, Apple should be able to scale the *size* of elements on the display without having to alter screen resolution and without having to rewrite all of their apps. This allows them to scale onscreen controls to have them large enough to be clicked with your clumsy fingers. The technology is all there. So maybe, Snow Leopard is not going to be the boring cat we expected it to be, but is instead beefing up to be the biggest paradigm shift in history of the Macintosh.

I am sure that Apple is eager to show the world what they can do with their world-changing multitouch technology on the Mac. And the iMac will be the perfect vehicle to bring this technology to the masses.
 
I wonder if the new Imacs will arive in september along with snow leopard and apple will have one event to launch their ipods, snow leopard and imacs. save money too by doing one event.....
In 2006, the iMacs were updated the week before the iPod event. Maybe the same thing will happen this year.
 
I only need to go into the local supermarket to have a look at the American made products; most of them are crap. Everything is either laden to the brim with hydrogenated fats, high fructose corn syrup or some other horrid combination of garbage one could classify as barely edible. You wonder why those outside the third world have very little interest in purchasing American made foods?

I'm amazed to hear that New Zealand grocers are so incompetent that they stock their shelves with products that no one buys.

Or are you including NZ in the "third world"?
 
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It'll be a touch screen using Snow Leopard this year (because they have to get in the game with Windows 7 touchscreen PCs coming out) and then come out with a new touch os for sale next year.
 
i dont want to pay extra $ for blu-ray. i want a real dedicated GPU in 20" or 21.5" :) model with matte display option. In Snow Leopard Open CL will be so important. So i need a dedicated GPU
 
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It'll be a touch screen using Snow Leopard this year (because they have to get in the game with Windows 7 touchscreen PCs coming out) and then come out with a new touch os for sale next year.

Name a touch screen desktop running Windows, other than the HP Touch Smart.
 
Name a touch screen desktop running Windows, other than the HP Touch Smart.

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ASUS Eee Top ETP1602-BK-X0045 All-in-one PC 15.6" 16:9 Wide Intel Atom N270(1.60GHz) 1GB DDR2 160GB Intel GMA 950 Windows XP Home - Touchscreen interface $499.99


Another product 22-inch multi-touch LCD arriving well in advance of Windows 7
 
The touch screen is the most simple, most natural and most intuitive way to interact with a bitmap screen. Period.

But not always the best way. For finely-detailed work on a vertically-oriented screen, a pointing device is better. After five minutes of word processing or pixel pushing using a vertical touch screen, you'll be screaming for your mouse. Touch screens do make sense if the surface is horizontal or if, as in the iPhone, there's no room for a separate pointing device.
 
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