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Next Generation iPhone Model Revealed in Firmware

The Gen 3 iPhone had better get a seriously major update this time or they're gonna lose mindshare and market share...

A few mega-pixels on the camera and an OS vamp isn't going to cut it with anyone....we need something spectacular again - especially if your going to lure '09 'recession' money from hiding out under the bed....

If they can't do that then better to sit on it for 6 months longer than to release a half-baked turkey...I'm ready and waiting, (with baited walllet), for MUCH more...
 
This is why I didn't upgrade to 3G!

But as stated previously, the relevancy of this device in relation to the 3G model needs to be adequate or sales will be weaker simply based on the lack of what it delivers. What new features could they introduce? Better battery life is always something desired in a device.. multi-core already?

especially if your going to lure '09 'recession' money from hiding out under the bed...
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I read someones opinion somewhere and feel it is absolutely correct in disassembling that falsity. Apple products are not affected by things like this recession because the people who buy their products, mostly, do so because they want it, not because they can afford it.
 
What if this isn't a huge upgrade, but instead a CDMA version? That would also explain the 2,1 designation.

Yes I know, I'd better put my flame-retardant suit on now. Just keep in mind I'm a happy iPhone owner on AT&T. I'm not engaged in wishful thinking because I want a CDMA iPhone.

My logic is this: In a horrible economy, would Apple prefer to release an all new high-end iPhone to the existing base of potential customers (and create incompatibilities with existing 3rd party software), or open up an entirely new market of 10 million potential customers?

My reasoning is really more about the economy than anything else. The existing iPhone has a lot of momentum and is still a leading smartphone in many ways. I do see improvements in June but an all-new form factor designating the 2,1 label seems a stretch.

I know people believe the AT&T exclusivity agreement runs to 2010. I don't think anyone knows the details for sure though.

Flame on.
 
rainmanbk said:
This is why I didn't upgrade to 3G!

But as stated previously, the relevancy of this device in relation to the 3G model needs to be adequate or sales will be weaker simply based on the lack of what it delivers. What new features could they introduce? Better battery life is always something desired in a device.. multi-core already?



I read someones opinion somewhere and feel it is absolutely correct in disassembling that falsity. Apple products are not affected by things like this recession because the people who buy their products, mostly, do so because they want it, not because they can afford it.
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Let's hope they can pull it off again...because I really think the Palm Pre is looking like the first true iPhone contender I've seen - they need to pull so far ahead of Pre that people will just go 'oh I see - every time anyone get's close to matching them they're just going to accelerate away again..." or they need to buy Palm and end it - instantly. I don't think patent lawsuits really work for Apple all that well...

On the finance front, I hope your right but my feeling is that the iPhone is capturing new markets and new customers who are currently non-apple and to draw them into a heavy contract in '09 is going to take some amazing h/w and s/w...


Like a true spoilt tech-brat I have serious wants that Apple are not fullfilling...

For starters where is the proper GPS s/w? - sod Googlemaps - I want Tom Tom licensed by Apple and bundled on it and I want it to tether to my mac for internet AND GPS... I want a 6MB pixel TRUE optical zoom based camera with 24fps progressive Video recorder AND a front facing isight AND a decent flash...I want 32Gig storage, I want it to jack into the TV and output 720P..I want it to sense other iPhones'/touches and have them act as controllers for multi-player games...I want an edge-to-edge 200ppi display and to lose the home button...I want more 10 x more graphics and CPU power for better games, I want a new OS with a scrolling OSX style dock...I want this for $99.00!!!

How many of those am I not going to get...Apple doesn't automatically need Steve Jobs to save Apple, it just needs to deliver 2011 technology in 2009...everybody knows what they want already..it's just annoying that we have to wait for it!
 
redman042 said:
What if this isn't a huge upgrade, but instead a CDMA version? That would also explain the 2,1 designation.

Yes I know, I'd better put my flame-retardant suit on now. Just keep in mind I'm a happy iPhone owner on AT&T. I'm not engaged in wishful thinking because I want a CDMA iPhone.

My logic is this: In a horrible economy, would Apple prefer to release an all new high-end iPhone to the existing base of potential customers (and create incompatibilities with existing 3rd party software), or open up an entirely new market of 10 million potential customers?

My reasoning is really more about the economy than anything else. The existing iPhone has a lot of momentum and is still a leading smartphone in many ways. I do see improvements in June but an all-new form factor designating the 2,1 label seems a stretch.

I know people believe the AT&T exclusivity agreement runs to 2010. I don't think anyone knows the details for sure though.

Flame on.
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Were going to see an iPod Touch with a 7" screen this year based on the new 3rd Gen h/w platform to tackle the netbook market ( may even have a sim slot in for roaming internet) or Apple are gonna skid....it's been two years since they released the Touch platform and really we've had nothing out of them technologically since then ( other than they wedged in a GPS and a 3G and created an app store...new paradigm h/w is due ( not over-due that'd be 2010) but certainly due...
 
Mykbibby said:
iPhone G3, Here we come!

I wonder how they're gonna handle the subsidy of iPhone 3G Customers who want the new one though...
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You will probably get a prorated price (full price dropping toward the end of the 2 yearss)....But probably never as low at the new customer subsidy.
 
7" screen iPhone

Any upgrade to the iPhone 3G would be incremental.

I surprised that 5-7" screen model has not been released. Unlike my old Blackberry, which was really just an extension of Outlook/Office, my 3G has been transformational in the way it integrates into my daily life. I use the apps more than the phone or ipod functions, and a larger model could bridge that gap between a phone and a full laptop.

Then again, a quad-core that fits in my shirt pocket, and gets me on the net anywhere would be awesome.
 
anyone that has an iphone will be able to upgrade... duhh if not then they wouldnt get the sales they want.. use your heads
 
katorga said:
Any upgrade to the iPhone 3G would be incremental.

I surprised that 5-7" screen model has not been released. Unlike my old Blackberry, which was really just an extension of Outlook/Office, my 3G has been transformational in the way it integrates into my daily life. I use the apps more than the phone or ipod functions, and a larger model could bridge that gap between a phone and a full laptop.

Then again, a quad-core that fits in my shirt pocket, and gets me on the net anywhere would be awesome.
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What kind of shirt pockets do you have that a SEVEN inch screen fits in them?!
 
Kind of nearly segues into a joke:

Is that a 5-7 inch model, or are you happy to see me? ...

Definitely something you want under cover, rather than pulled from Steve's jeans at a keynote...
 
WPB2 said:
On my AT&T OLAM under "check upgrade eligibility" it says July 09". This is good news I guess. I bought my 3G on day 1.

Can anyone else confirm their upgrade elgibility?
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Mine says 7/12/2009, and I switched from T-mobile to get the iPhone 3g on day one.
 
why would they release a new iphone when a lot of the current iphone users are on contract therefore won't be able to upgrade until the end of the contract. In my case I'm on an 18 month contract so will have to wait many months later...
 
I don't know why everyone is so concerned with this Palm Pre. Seems like a massive amount of hype to me. In the last 2-3 years, has Palm shown the ability to execute anything well or release anything on time? What makes people assume that a veritable zombie corporation is suddenly going to capture the entire phone/PDA market with yet another new OS. Moreover, it seems extremely unlikely that applications programmed in HTML and Javascript are going to be high-performance, feature-laden and full of eye-candy. As Apple learned the hard way with the iPhone OS, if you want decent applications, you must have native code, not half-assed web-browser based quasi-apps.
 
Riemann Zeta said:
I don't know why everyone is so concerned with this Palm Pre. Seems like a massive amount of hype to me. In the last 2-3 years, has Palm shown the ability to execute anything well or release anything on time? What makes people assume that a veritable zombie corporation is suddenly going to capture the entire phone/PDA market with yet another new OS. Moreover, it seems extremely unlikely that applications programmed in HTML and Javascript are going to be high-performance, feature-laden and full of eye-candy. As Apple learned the hard way with the iPhone OS, if you want decent applications, you must have native code, not half-assed web-browser based quasi-apps.
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Agreed...the Pre is copycat junk without any of the iPhone's technical or infrastructural greatness, problem is Ordinary Joe's are a bit dumb and become confused by corrupt web-editorials will make some massive deal out of it. I just say Apple need to drop another 'technology bomb' and knock all these wannabe's out of the water for good rather than fart-arsing about in courts...
 
ltcol266845 said:
@Complie: Any chance you could translate a smidge? I haven't taken a course in Egyptian hieroglyphics in many many years. If you don't use it, you loose it.
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it is the dual-display Apple patent for always on notifications. Basically, when the phone is locked and screen is off and you receive, say an email, an icon will appear on the screen and remain displayed until you unlock. This icon will be displayed using the low-power secondary display.
 
Maybe my timeline is accelerated to believe this will happen this year, but the future of the iPhone, IMHO, is:

1. ARM Cortex A8 or A9(future 2-core?) CPU (custom built by PA Semi?). The performance/power ratio of the Cortex series will allow a large increase in performance to the platform without a huge hit on battery life.

2. Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX and VXD graphics co-processors will allow even more powerful graphics and support low power native playback of HD video. Sure, the HD video wouldn't be HD on the iPhone screen, but it could support HD video out to a TV/monitor. The endgame here is the necessity of only 1 HD version of a video in iTunes, regardless of what device it's going to be played on. This consolidation may be years out, when storage and video processing/scaling is cheap and efficient enough to roll out across the entire iPod line, but it will come some day.

3. iPhone OS 3.0 (aka Snow Leopard for the iPhone). The performance enhancement focus of Snow Leopard combined with Grand Central is a perfect fit for power and performance optimizations on the iPhone. The 3.0 firmware will elegantly open up even more performance by optimizing CPU/GPU usage across applications. Which leads me to my next point:

4. Background Applications. The increase in CPU/GPU power, combined with the 3.0 firmware & Grand Central will allow Apple ample room to run background apps (assuming internal memory resources will be increased as well). I think Apples quietness on the 6 month delay of push notifications combined with the Palm Pre / G1 threats, which both run background apps, further the argument that Apple may be reversing course on this idea. I think background apps will be limited to the next gen iPhone only. Maybe they will release the push notification service in conjunction, which could be used by all legacy iPhones as well. This combination would allow the user to background apps like Pandora, while getting push notifications for apps like AIM, which don't really need to be open all the time.

5. Updated battery tech. Utilize all they learned creating the new updated MacBook Pro 17-inch battery and incorporate it into the iPhone for improved battery life.

6. Updated camera with possible additional front facing camera for iChat video conferencing (though I don't know how much of a market there really is for this). Video recording with easy uploads to YouTube/Facebook is a no brainer.

7. Copy & Paste, MMS, yadda, yadda....
 
utsava said:
Maybe my timeline is accelerated to believe this will happen this year, but the future of the iPhone, IMHO, is:

1. ARM Cortex A8 or A9(future 2-core?) CPU (custom built by PA Semi?). The performance/power ratio of the Cortex series will allow a large increase in performance to the platform without a huge hit on battery life.

2. Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX and VXD graphics co-processors will allow even more powerful graphics and support low power native playback of HD video. Sure, the HD video wouldn't be HD on the iPhone screen, but it could support HD video out to a TV/monitor. The endgame here is the necessity of only 1 HD version of a video in iTunes, regardless of what device it's going to be played on. This consolidation may be years out, when storage and video processing/scaling is cheap and efficient enough to roll out across the entire iPod line, but it will come some day.

3. iPhone OS 3.0 (aka Snow Leopard for the iPhone). The performance enhancement focus of Snow Leopard combined with Grand Central is a perfect fit for power and performance optimizations on the iPhone. The 3.0 firmware will elegantly open up even more performance by optimizing CPU/GPU usage across applications. Which leads me to my next point:

4. Background Applications. The increase in CPU/GPU power, combined with the 3.0 firmware & Grand Central will allow Apple ample room to run background apps (assuming internal memory resources will be increased as well). I think Apples quietness on the 6 month delay of push notifications combined with the Palm Pre / G1 threats, which both run background apps, further the argument that Apple may be reversing course on this idea. I think background apps will be limited to the next gen iPhone only. Maybe they will release the push notification service in conjunction, which could be used by all legacy iPhones as well. This combination would allow the user to background apps like Pandora, while getting push notifications for apps like AIM, which don't really need to be open all the time.

5. Updated battery tech. Utilize all they learned creating the new updated MacBook Pro 17-inch battery and incorporate it into the iPhone for improved battery life.

6. Updated camera with possible additional front facing camera for iChat video conferencing (though I don't know how much of a market there really is for this). Video recording with easy uploads to YouTube/Facebook is a no brainer.

7. Copy & Paste, MMS, yadda, yadda....
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If we get all that in '09 Apple will again get all my phone dollars...though I would expect the 'background' apps function to be limited to an optional invokable dashboard metaphor which will feature a widget style view to display the notification status change for a LOT of apps..optionally the numbers icons will just update in the classic view - both of which will update via the push notification service. I don't see them making a u-turn on that unless they implement a true dock, menu bar and a activity monitor...which I fully expect for a Touch 7 device..
 
I personally cannot wait for this new iPhone to come out, I just got a macbook a bit back and I want an iPhone so I can actually sync my contacts and calender events and make us of my mobileme account, unlike with my BlackJack.

Does the current iPhone 3G use the ARM processor? Im excited about this, its an extremely powerful processor. I have heard some interesting things about the new iPhone, including a release around June/July and some design changes...but we will see if they are right
 
I must be a simple easy-to-please type - all I want is 32GB and a speed bump to match the iPod Touch 2G I'd like to replace with an iPhone.

I was planning on buying an iPhone on pre-pay come April when my present contract is up. Now I feel I should wait. 32GB would be the sweet spot at which I would stop having to choose what to sync, could just dump everything on it and then rarely plug in to computer as I have separate charger and everything except music syncs via mobileme. Kinda handy with my lovely-but-wish-it-had-more-usb-ports Air.

Then if I could just persuade O2 to give me a contract. Honestly, I already have a mobile contract. T-mobile are desperate to throw a new contract at me and keep bugging me about it. O2 won't even give me SIMplicity with no handset :(
 
djdole said:
I can't believe I have to explain this again... -.-

4 words: WPA has been cracked.
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Is there any reason for your tone?

I don't want to get into a flame war - really I'm not trying to be rude - I understand your thinking, but consider the following too:-

A couple of points... yes WPA has been cracked, but not exactly wide-open like WEP. It's entirely doable but nowhere near as easy and still takes a while.

But more importantly, why do you think Apple concerns itself with the security of our connections?

MobileMe already syncs far more important data than music across ordinary internet connections, including my nice WPA wireless connection. It may include its own additional encryption (judging from the fact that a /etc/hosts modification that broke all https also broke mobileme - I don't know. And you may think I'm dumb for using WPA like this (as it happens I also use VPN). My point is that Apple don't care or have any particular reason to care, and if they do, there's no reason they can't encrypt the data they're sending so that even if you broadcast it far and wide it adds another layer of difficulty to any interception.

*Right now*, wifi is far more widespread, far far faster than bluetooth, and has greater range.

Please note: this statement doesn't in any way dispute, or even comment on, the reasons why bluetooth *could* be better. Apple already seems quite keen on wifi for remote apps - for example the Remote app for touch and iPhone would arguably make more sense on bluetooth.

As for pairing - this is every bit as problematic security wise as WPA afaict. That is not to say I have any great knowledge on the matter, but a google search seems to reveal plenty of stuff about cracking it, and dodgy implementations etc.
 
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At&t is funny when it comes to upgrading an existing line before a contract ends. I signed a two year contract with them when I purchased my iPhone 3g in July 2008. When I went to an AT&T corporate store and asked about upgrading my line to a blackberry bold, they said I'll have to pay the full price. But an authorized reseller was able to sell me a bold for $50 above the subsidized price if I add 6 months to my contract.
 
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