PLEASE APPLE give us the $999 headless 8 core, non ecc DDR, dvi/hdmi out, even no BR i7 mid range. PLEASE.
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Next-Generation Mac Pro to Receive Temporary Exclusive of Six-Core 'Gulftown' Processor?
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PLEASE APPLE give us the $999 headless 8 core, non ecc DDR, dvi/hdmi out, even no BR i7 mid range. PLEASE.
Thank you brry much.
I honestly don't need a new case. I carried my Mac Pro in a suitcase through 7 moves from temporary places to others, with no protection whatsoever inside the suitcase, and none of the components got damaged. I even carried the mac pro in the same suitcase through 2 flights. Still no damage to components. The case is awesome in terms of protection and durability.
The inside design is great as well. I doubt they can make this case any shorter in height, unless they just remove the handles. The inside is as compact as it gets. I'd love the power supply down there as well but if this design is better for cooling process I'd rather have this.
You can build a hackintosh with those specs for that price, but even if for some reason Apple were so inclined to put such a machine on the market, I can almost guarantee it would cost more than $999. Apple is still charging an insane $800 for a dual core 2ghz computer that doesn't even come with a keyboard or mouse.
there is a difference between demos working in the lab and shipping, "user proof" solutions.
All the quotes are shipping in 2010. If it was going to be in the first half of 2010 they'd probably say that. Especially if it was going to be in the first quarter of 2010. Typically when vendors say "some time next year" they mean second half. Now they could be keeping this as a super-duper Stevo surprise.
Back in 2007 folks though that USB 3.0 would have a fiber optic component
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/09/intel-announces-demonstrates-usb-3-0.ars
They've managed to squeeze 5Gb/s on copper apparently. Had to shrink the maximum length though.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10362246-264.html
Who wants to buy a component from a single source?????????
If Intel is the sole supplier of Light Peak transciever you seriously think they are going to be cost competitive? What Apple did do when Intel's integrated solutions sucked? They dumped them because there was a second viable supplier. Why isn't there USB 3 out now? In part, because the industry didn't want Intel as the sole USB 3 supplier. Don't think the industry would be any happier with Light Peak if it is sole supplier.
Apple needs Intel pushing it because I suspect they don't want to get into a pissing match with Intel over this and USB 3. If Intel is behind both perhaps can let the market sort it out.
Sure Intel could do a proprietary thing as a defacto standard.
One aspect of the standard process is to get all the folks with patent libraries to show up and lay claim to what they think might be theirs. Better to find out someone is going to sue before ship 4 million units and are libel for damages on all of them.
I think folks are reading wrong outcomes into Light Peak. There are still going to be USB sockets on your computers. No way Light Peak is going to be as inexpensive for peripheral vendors to add as USB 2.0 is. It is also a humongous waste to use a 10 Gb/s link to connect a mouse or keyboard to a computer. That's insane. Maybe several years down the road, but for the short term.... no way.
If you have a docking port where you need to connect the laptop to an external display/USB/ethernet/etc. with one connector... great solution.
Hooking just one of those to the computer/laptop... that's a waste.
That is like the phone company running fiber to your house just to run POTS voice traffic. What the phone company has done with 10Gb/s optics is aggregate many phone calls onto one wire. So there will likely be aggregation devices for Light Peak too ( until it reaches the $0.50 to implement stage).
For example, a monitor might have a speaker, webcam, microphone, keyboard, plugs which is aggregates and send back to the computer on one wire. That's very Apple , we don't like jumbles of wires, kind of solution.
Light Peak smells alot like the "next generation" USB that was talked about originally that was going to leverage fiber optics.
What was/is coming with USB 3.0 is another socket.
Also go back to the news.com link above. These demos used USB like connectors.
Personally think Intel is eventually going to eventually spin Light Peak as USB 3.5 or USB 4.0
This rumor comes, of course, on the very day I finally break down and order a 2.66 refurb. It's not a bad thing, I would only crap my pants if they released something very soon that was that much better & cheaper. So no worries.
It might be a bad thing if the price of similar spec'd Pros drop as a result (particularly from authorised resellers and their refurbs).
Thats what I'm waiting for
Finally, I've been waiting about a year now, Gulftown here we come (hopefully).
There is one but though, what will it cost? will it be at the same price level as the current 2.93 Quad, or are we going to see a price hike
Finally, I've been waiting about a year now, Gulftown here we come (hopefully).
There is one but though, what will it cost? will it be at the same price level as the current 2.93 Quad, or are we going to see a price hike
Power supplies generate heat. The CPUs are also major radiators. Putting them both in the bottom makes for a denser concentration of heat. That will mean you need to push more air faster.... which leads to more noise.
Shorter, unless aimed at tossing the handles, can also compress the diameter of the fans. Again smaller diameter fans with constant heat dissipation requirements means the blow harder.
Another row of USB connectors? How many USB headers you think are on the motherboard. Bigger motherboard makes it taller.
Reinforces handles are going to make it lighter/cheaper?
Just pointing out there are numerous conflicting goals represented in that design. It is easy to either pick one aspect to change (and ignore the related elements impacting) or just ignore certain constraints (if dump slots or handles can make it shorter much easier).
There are going to be minor cosmetic changes. New ports, maybe a SD slot. If you look very carefully all the revisions of the design have minor differences. ... but the overall design is primarily going to be the same until someone can point out a major flaw.
I want OpenGL 3.2 with x16 pipes in SLI mode along with OpenCL. It's nearly 2010 and Apple still has never pulled SLI at x16 bandwidth off with 2 double wide GPUs. [they've never pulled off SLI period]
More to the point, I want to have Firestream and AMD 5870 GPU options, along with Nvidia Tesla options.
So far the lack of OpenGL 3 which is designed to work in tandem with OpenCL is a serious hit.
http://developer.amd.com/GPU/ATISTREAMSDKBETAPROGRAM/Pages/default.aspx
No SLI remember, the only people left in the Chipset market now is AMD and Intel. Best you could hope for is CrossfireX. (ATi HD 5XXX series is kicking some serious green ass) This is one of the Reasons I secretly hope that Apple changes to AMD. If Intel wants to believe it or not the Binary CPU is becoming irrelevant.
I don't like this news, personally. I currently have an 8-core processor and no need for additional cores. If I buy a new computer, I'd have to decide between needlessly upgrading to 12 cores or shamefully downgrading to (a perfectly adequate) 6 cores.
If you don't need any more cores, you don't need a new computer.
most idiotic problem ever solved.
oh of course there is, the news article that i read was more leaning towards the fact that it was ready to go. clearly they were uninformed.
well you never know really. look at the access that apple has had to intel components (e.g.extreme CPUs for iMacs, xeon CPUs for MP). apple did propose the idea to intel so maybe it was a contractual agreement?
education articles. some of the things coming out of USB are quite interesting, esp the part about fibre integration.
hmmm good point. the concept of LightPeak is quite good, but i guess the implementation of it wont let it "peak", so to speak
haha that really is a pissing match. so its a big pile of fail, i dont care. i just want the standard out for us to use!!
all we have to do is look at firewire and see the signs, the price was higher, there were lots of "conditions" etc..but it still caught on pretty well!
oh of course not! noway will that happen yet. i just want the bloody thing on the computer so that i can use it.
in the 1st article you linked, it shows a max of 10GB/s (currently), it also has a 'router' like device, i can imagine that it wouldnt be that hard to max out that 10gb/s connection (thats only 1.25GB/s). a HD camera, number of external HDDs, monitor, network etc might stress it at times.
completely agree. that would be really nice! no need to plug in 5 cables.
for the meantime it will just be one, it will be expensive and clunky and not many people will happen. i hope that intel/apple/whoever can market it and get a nice variety of products to use with it.
which i imagine is quite a while away. light peak has the potential to take over all ports pretty much, will that happen though is the main question
that would be very nice. imagine one cable to replace networking, external drives, monitors etcetc. if only it could give power too (to power monitors etc)
it does, and i hope it fills the void.
a seperate USB socket? i thought it was going to stay the same to allow backwards compatibility?
you reckon? they will use the concepts of Light Peak and incorporate it into USB4? might be ok i guess.
what is LightPeak like with CPU usage? does it still reply on the CPU or does it have its own controller like FW? if you are copying at 10gb/s thats going to tax the CPU a fair bit i imagine.
sorry for the vague reply, im pretty busy this week.
There is a clue in its name -- "Mini". There is definitely a premium for these kind of form factors. You can build a similarly spec'd Dell studio w/o bluetooth and with Intel X3100 video for... ta-da... $699.
The Mini is the most misunderstood computer...
There is a clue in its name -- "Mini". There is definitely a premium for these kind of form factors. You can build a similarly spec'd Dell studio w/o bluetooth and with Intel X3100 video for... ta-da... $699.
The Mini is the most misunderstood computer...
and i personally could build an equivalent powered computer for $300.. big woop we all know that they rip us off.
but yea you're right the mini is pretty misunderstood, its tiny and classy! thus the expense.
Well thats unfair since my current Nahalem Mac Pro only officially supports 8GB...
- So what?
- You honestly think the use of a Mac Pro had nothing to do with this being an Apple co-engineered technology.
I'm not knocking the tech itself. Looks pretty cool. Just the people on here going "OMG it will be on teh new Mac Pro n 2010!" who are missing more than a couple steps in the process of drawing board to finished, commercially viable product.
What percentage of home PC's today use ECC RAM?
I thought so.
I don't see the world's computing grinding to a halt from bad memory. Mostly bad software,
Lets take those Google figures with a grain of salt.
- How many GB of RAM? This story is about an entire data center.
- This is a data center, that figure is for computers running 24/7/365.
This new mac pro sounds as exciting as urinating in public
But seriously, that will definitely have some punch... Pro workstations like this are just blazing awesome!
lol laughed a lot at the first line... 16GB RAM (presume DDR3) and 6 Core processors.... just beyond reality what could the RAM and processors be used for... 128GB RAM and 4 6 Core processors... any money on it Safari could still crash and iTunes would lag with extremely large libraries lol... then again if someone gave me a machine like this i would probably die of happiness lol
as i have learnt from others on MR, ECC RAM is beyond useless and is probably only really needed by about 0.000001% of the population (that's not an exaggeration).
They are still selling Xeon macpros for just a tad less than retail. Typically the price will drop $50-$100 when something new comes out. Also, refurbs of new models don't show up for about 6 months.
I would expect these new models to be slightly more expensive than the current models at entry. $2899 for a base and $5400 for a top of the line. Apple just doesn't get the idea of bang for buck pricing, there's always that Apple premium. I almost went the hackentosh way, but didn't want the risk or hassle for a primary project machine. I need a warranty out the door, and the assurance of compatibility for 5+ years.
Why? I still love the case, I had one of the original dual processor G5's in its awesome case. I mean really, where do you go after an armoured behemoth like the current case? You'd have to start slapping deflective armour plates and caterpillar tracks on to really prove its war-machine status.
I mean, I nearly dropped my MacPro on my foot, I had visions of the rest of my life with only one functioning leg.
In regards to this specific news...eh, 10gbps ethernet I kind of expected in the 2009 MacPros, so I'm a bit disappointed it has taken this long to be honest. As for six-core processors...why? I thought 8-core was on the horizon? What I would like to see most is for them to somehow make room for eight internal hard-drives, perhaps by losing an internal optical bay as these days we have all-in-one drives anyway, and I don't think people that properly use dual optical bays are in the majority? If it's a big deal then convert it to two slimline optical bays instead. Whenever I need to copy disks I copy to the hard-drive first, I've never trusted CD to CD copying. People who need to burn multiple disks at a time likely use those fancy CD writer array things anyway.
And add a longer iPass cable so it's easier to install third-party RAID cards, or get a motherboard with built-in RAID, considering a ton of the people who buy MacPros could probably take advantage of it.
Not that any of this affects me just now, my "Early 2008" MacPro will have to continue to do for me, as I don't have the income for more shiny, shiny computing hardware for the moment.
Although it is slightly long in the tooth, I LOVE the G5 case, its so understated and functional. The polar opposite of that crappy MDD G4 case. Im dubious of a redesign, since it will probably be inferior to the current design. I'd love to be wrong though!
Although a massive brick of aluminium thats actually an integrated heat sink would be an interesting idea ... and weigh a ton.