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Well i want one.... i imagine it would be powerful enough for me for a LONNNNGGGGGG time!

My Dad has a Feb 07 entry MP and it rocks, so i can't imagine more, but would like to try to use as much as i can of one :D

And while the case is old, it's still nice and clean and doesn't LOOK like it is that old. But heck, by the time i could ever afford on.... i'm sure there will multiple cases they have used. :p
 
Don't change the case. Everyone wanted them to update the MBP case, they did, and what a cockup that turned out to be. If it aint broken don't fix it.

The current case is 6 years old, and I hope it looks the same in another 6 years.
 
We just got a consumer priced HD camera for around $279. It saves H.264, Integer (little endian) files to .MOV at 1280x720 and a minute is about 172 MB. That's consumer level HD content in your hand. People are going to want to edit these into movie compositions. That needs I/O and processing, and reasonable software. I believe iMovie is fine for this and of course FCP will do it easily. If this is the "new consumer" standard and need, which was the pro level only a year or two ago, wait a week. Consumers will have 4K video at 60fps on their belt buckle and will want to save their entire life experience or something. Light Peak 1.0 is fine for your portable capture device. Light Peak 2.0 will be needed for pro and group activities sooner than you think.

Rocketman

Saved the first movie over USB 1.1 just to see. Looking forward to USB3 RSN. :)
 
I have ignored all previous 7 pages of this thread to say: I don't care about the CPU in the Mac Pro, just get me a damn graphics card option that lets me hook up two mini DisplayPort screens without needing two graphics cards. This rumored machine had better come with that forthcoming Radeon 5870 that has 6 mini DisplayPort plugs on it.
 
I have ignored all previous 7 pages of this thread to say: I don't care about the CPU in the Mac Pro, just get me a damn graphics card option that lets me hook up two mini DisplayPort screens without needing two graphics cards. This rumored machine had better come with that forthcoming Radeon 5870 that has 6 mini DisplayPort plugs on it.

They still need dual-link DVI until they get a working adapter to power 30" displays flawlessly from mini DP.
 
If you haven’t got a Mac Pro then fair enough. If you have already, look at buying hardware accelerators.

I don't yet -- have been waiting for the next gen of Mac Pro. My issue is this; 6 or 8 cores (or 12, or whatever) is fantastic, but... the 4Gb RAM limit (per app) is driving me nuts on my work machine. And a lot of other people as well, if these boards are any indication. We really need the app devs (including Apple) to step up to 64 bit, or these amazing RAM capacities (128Gb!!) will be largely wasted on us. I don't need to run 48 simultaneous apps; I need to take full advantage of physical memory (with one app) to do my work. So the question becomes, invest in more cores w/out more app RAM space, or keep waiting... ? :confused:
 
It would be interesting to poll all the contributors on this thread:

Do you *personally* buy the Mac Pro line...or does your company pay for it?

I think the Mac Pros have great specs (compared to what Apple also offers), but I find it hard to believe individual people (not companies) go out and dump $3000+ on a personal computer. Again, I'm not talking about if you own a home business or if you work at a company...what does Johnny use his Pro for at home?...why does Johnny feel he needs a Pro? It's not web surfing or iTunes or dvd burning or email or iPhoto... The only thing I can think of that comes close to NEEDING Mac Pro power is audio/video authoring/creating/rendering/mastering.

So how 'bout it? How many of you on this thread actually buy a new Pro every few years (or more often) for personal use...and why?

-Eric

I bought one in 2006 in a fit of "I'm tired of having crappy computers!" rage.

I must say it was a great decision because it still feels fast as hell today and likely has a few more years of life in it before it needs upgrading.

However, I'd likely not repeat that choice. I was doing well fiscally back then, not so much anymore, and the MP is just way too expensive.
 
Cores

I suggest that everyone here who thinks that their machines aren't being used to their fullest immediately sell them and get cheaper machines more tailored to their needs.
Complaining that further upgrades are unnecessary because you can't utilize 8 CPUs with your porn-surfing and iMovie isn't really called for. And yes, I*am being a little facetious.


I think the point people are trying to make is O-GL & GCD aren't utilized by software vendors yet, so what's the point of even more cores. I know I'm in that situation as I do a decent amount of 3D and am curious to see how it will improve both building & rendering speeds. But it is nice to be able to have eight p0rnoze open at the same time.
 
I bought one in 2006 in a fit of "I'm tired of having crappy computers!" rage.

I must say it was a great decision because it still feels fast as hell today and likely has a few more years of life in it before it needs upgrading.

However, I'd likely not repeat that choice. I was doing well fiscally back then, not so much anymore, and the MP is just way too expensive.

It sounds to me like as compared to your typical computer upgrade cycle, you are getting far more life out of one computer than you used to get out of two or more. That sounds capital smart to me, and the lack of a sense of "slowing down" seems to be a visceral benefit that actually outweighs the price discussion entirely.

Right?

Rocketman
 
What's the point? Nothing uses the 8 cores that my Mac has now. Seems like all you get is bragging rites.

I would use every drop of the power in 3d rendering.

If they had a dual 6 core machine (12 cores total) and it had hyper threading, I would see 24 little boxes rendering out my image in Cinema 4d.

I'll take that any day.


Of course, while I'm dreaming, I'll also take the $5 billion dollars this computer will cost to buy. :eek:
 
I think the point people are trying to make is O-GL & GCD aren't utilized by software vendors yet, so what's the point of even more cores. I know I'm in that situation as I do a decent amount of 3D and am curious to see how it will improve both building & rendering speeds. But it is nice to be able to have eight p0rnoze open at the same time.

If your 3d program is programmed well, you'll see large benefits in rendering. That's the most obvious difference to us users.

Other tasks are starting to be multi-threaded. Maya, for example, now has a multithreaded fluids solver. More cores = less waiting for such an intensive (and cool looking) process.
 
My question would be: How would a 2 x 3.2ghz Quad-Core Xeons, 10gb DDR2 800mhz ECC RAM, 4 x 750gb hard-drives (striped), NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb) not be enough for a long time to come?
I do a lot of programming on big projects (can take hours to compile from scratch), as well as 3d rendering. Granted, the bulk of my time is wasted on web-browsing, e-mail, and fooling around, but when I /do/ push my computer shaving off a few hours can be a pretty big selling point for me.

I'll be interested to see what graphics cards these new machines will be shipping with. I really do hope Apple finally gets off their ass and starts pushing for a lot more options in that regard, and tries to stay closer to the bleeding-edge. I know that's not the point of MacPros, but with OpenCL now GPUs are gonna be increasingly important, and I do use my machine for gaming from time-to-time (though I have a console for bulk of my video gaming).
 
Don't change the case. Everyone wanted them to update the MBP case, they did, and what a cockup that turned out to be. If it aint broken don't fix it.

The current case is 6 years old, and I hope it looks the same in another 6 years.

Unfortunately, a lot of people in these forums get bored really easily and seem (that's SEEM) to only care about how things look & not under the hood stuff. If it doesn't look entirely different w/ every new release, what's the point?

But for those of us who actually care about the guts & substance of an update, kudos!
 
AMD Phenom can do it, I know that much.
The original Phenom could but the feature was removed from Phenom II. It's either all idle, half, or full speed now much like Core 2.

Threads would hop around from a full speed core to an idle one and the processor wouldn't ramp up core speeds quickly enough.

Nehalem/Westmere seems to handle the throttling and idle just fine. Windows 7 also features Core Parking so threads will stick to a certain core when its at full speed instead of the chance of bouncing to an idle one.
 
It sounds to me like as compared to your typical computer upgrade cycle, you are getting far more life out of one computer than you used to get out of two or more. That sounds capital smart to me, and the lack of a sense of "slowing down" seems to be a visceral benefit that actually outweighs the price discussion entirely.

Right?

Rocketman

Well, in his defense...we don't know exactly what he paid for the Pro (maybe he got upgrades/options on it) nor do we know what he had for computers in the past (and were they Macs or pcs and what were the specs?) nor do we know what he was using the old computers for as well as the Pro (diehard video editing or simply websurfing)...nor do we know a lot of other questions.

Me? I have a Mini that I bought new in August 2007 right after the refresh...I rarely use it but it runs ok performance wise...the same performance as 2+ years ago for things like web surfing and iPhoto. But I've ALWAYS had a tendency to buy new Windows PCs every 3-5 years. Not because they suck or break or are slow, but it is VERY affordable to buy a new $550 box (no monitor needed for me) every 3-5 years that come with options/performance that outweighs me taking the time/money/effort of simply upgrading my old box...AND... I am also not the average PC user...most PC users I know hold onto their boxes for 5-8 years...yes, that is not a typo. I'm more of a technologist who is always looking for the performance gains and technology improvements (like eSata, faster buses, faster ram speeds, etc.) rather than most personal computers (mac and pc alike) who just want the box to work as long as possible without spending any more money....I do a lot of audio work (and some video) as well which always benefits from faster technology as the years go by.

Contrary to belief, people buy new/replacement machines (mac and pc) all the time for dozens of reasons...and I would bet that one of the top reasons (albeit they wait longer than me) is they feel the old machine is just...well...old...buying a new one is going to be cutting edge, come with a warranty, have a new OS that has new features, etc. etc. They then take the old computer and give it to the kids or make it a 2nd computer (a lot more these days thanks to LCD monitors making everything nice and small). I'm actually in the process of helping a co-worker buy a new Windows box after his 7-year old one finally died (actually just the drive but he wants something entirely new and obviously much more recent technology). My last 3 Windows pcs were purchased for $600 each without a monitor which totals $1800...all total, the 3 pcs gave me just over 10 years of use. All 3 were of course not bleeding edge but the most recent included: Intel Quad chip, 3gig ram, 500GB SATA drive, 1 dvd/cd drive, ATI video card, 6 USB ports, 1 Firewire. For $600 and my usage, that's a great performance/price ratio. So 10 years ago, I don't think it would have been wise for me to plunk down $2500+ for a super high end PC because a)technology would have changed significantly in 10 years on many fronts and b)I would have spent about $700 more for the super duper computer.

Again, everyone uses a machine differently...and thus thinks differently about how often to replace. People also have budgets. :)

-Eric
 
It would be interesting to poll all the contributors on this thread:

Do you *personally* buy the Mac Pro line...or does your company pay for it?

I think the Mac Pros have great specs (compared to what Apple also offers), but I find it hard to believe individual people (not companies) go out and dump $3000+ on a personal computer. Again, I'm not talking about if you own a home business or if you work at a company...what does Johnny use his Pro for at home?...why does Johnny feel he needs a Pro? It's not web surfing or iTunes or dvd burning or email or iPhoto... The only thing I can think of that comes close to NEEDING Mac Pro power is audio/video authoring/creating/rendering/mastering.

So how 'bout it? How many of you on this thread actually buy a new Pro every few years (or more often) for personal use...and why?

-Eric

Need loads of memory (more than 4-8GB)?
Need multiple internal hard drives?
Need the ability to run multiple external monitors (like say 2-3 LCD's + a TV).
Need to add a normal PCI expansion card?

If you need any of the above and you want to run OSX (without dealing with Hackintosh issues), then the only option is a Mac Pro.
 
It would be interesting to poll all the contributors on this thread:

Do you *personally* buy the Mac Pro line...or does your company pay for it?

I think the Mac Pros have great specs (compared to what Apple also offers), but I find it hard to believe individual people (not companies) go out and dump $3000+ on a personal computer. Again, I'm not talking about if you own a home business or if you work at a company...what does Johnny use his Pro for at home?...why does Johnny feel he needs a Pro? It's not web surfing or iTunes or dvd burning or email or iPhoto... The only thing I can think of that comes close to NEEDING Mac Pro power is audio/video authoring/creating/rendering/mastering.

So how 'bout it? How many of you on this thread actually buy a new Pro every few years (or more often) for personal use...and why?

-Eric


MP in sig for Lightroom (which maxes the cores), CAD and sometimes video work.


300Gb Veloci soon to be a 256Gb SSD for boot, apps and windows with 3Tb storage.

Only change I'd like is more internal HDs and drop the price 10%.
 
Need loads of memory (more than 4-8GB)?
Need multiple internal hard drives?
Need the ability to run multiple external monitors (like say 2-3 LCD's + a TV).
Need to add a normal PCI expansion card?

If you need any of the above and you want to run OSX (without dealing with Hackintosh issues), then the only option is a Mac Pro.

That's exactly what made my get my Mac Pro (Early 2008 quad 2.8). I had a dual 450 G4 before, and had been waiting for a long time for that elusive ~$1500 midrange option (which was always there until the Mac Pro) to appear. People seem to think that hoping for a sub $2000 Mac Pro is ridiculous, but even the G5 had a $1500 option once the G4 line was completely withdrawn. I needed the expandability of a Mac Pro, but I didn't need Xeons. I mostly just wanted a headless Mac that had room for multiple drives and could use multiple monitors.

I had a PC that I used for WoW since it wasn't so hot on the G4. I turned that into a hackintosh and used that for over a year as I waited for the midrange option that I was sure was right around the corner. Finally I couldn't wait any more. I was tired of not having a real Mac that I could use without hacked drivers, having to worry about updates breaking everything, etc.

I still think it's ridiculous that Apple doesn't offer a midrange headless option. There is nearly a $2000 gap between the mini and the low end Mac Pro, with the mini being too limited in expansion and the Mac Pro being overkill for most people. The iMac might be fine for a lot of people, but it's extremely limited in expansion. Some people say Apple doesn't do it because it would eat into the iMac's sales, but I think the real reason is because Apple didn't want to have an affordable computer that could go as long as the G4s due to expandability (I used my dual 450 for about 7 years). They'd rather have people buying new machines more often.
 
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