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Next-Generation MacBook Pro Models With M2 Pro and M2 Max Chips Reportedly 'Delayed Once Again'
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You mean China is a mess because of the lockdowns, right? Covid itself isn’t messing up production. I’m thankful to see China lifting their lockdowns and giving their oppressed citizens freedom, finally.
Yea when my wife got her MBA, stuff that was heavy CPU only wouldn't even touch it. Was still cool. But when I fired up CiV, it started to get warm.
At the price Apple charges for them they should! But can't obviously.
It's because they don't want their Macs to be "obsolete", which is funny to me because that seems to contradict the idea that the M1 is as powerful as they say it is.
I have an M1 Max MBP and I can't wait to see new MBPs. It doesn't mean I'm going to buy one. I just like upgrade options in general because I like tech and I like to see it progress, even if I skip it for myself.
Bit the bullet and ordered a 14" MBP w/ 1 TB for $2099 ($400 off). I had some money burning a hole in my pocket and my last Mac was an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo.
I mean, we already basically know the improvement they’re going to bring. Look at the delta between the regular M1 and M2, and I’d be shocked if that didn’t extrapolate almost perfectly to the difference we end up seeing between M1 Pro/Max and M2 Pro/Max
Are they having misses or your assumptions have been out of alignment with Apple’s product road map and schedule?
Intel is a prime example of “misses” as they choose to release their road map and then have to back track. Apple on the other hand keeps in quiet and all these “timelines” are speculations at the best.
Maybe the sky is not falling because we didn’t get yearly spec bumps. Even just the processor change costs money on a product that by volume is insignificant to the iPhone. Then in reality a small number of people upgrade their computers on a yearly or even every two year schedule.
Maybe that is Apples plans? Do they have to make a M2 version? Nope! It is their road map. I would trust in Apple’s engineers and management. They have been doing really good since the iPod….let’s ignore those years in the 90’s.
i’m not sure why anybody thought it would, as they’re most powerful processors (The A-X series for the iPad Pro) was on a 18-24 month upgrade cycle.
Paying attention to how Apple was updating their computers throughout the second half of the 2010s, it was very clear that they were trying to aim for the same type of 18 to 24 month upgrade cycle for all of the Mac products as well.
Now they have.
A9X: November 2015
A10X: June 2017
A12X: October 2018
M1 (A14X): November 2020
M2 (A15X): June 2022
that processor used on the iPad Pro and the low end Mac computers has been on an 18 to 24 month upgrade cycle for the last seven years.
The only processor Apple absolutely updates annually is the one used in the iPhone.
The M1pro and Max chips came out in October 2021.
Exactly 18 months later would be March 2023.
Right on schedule.
The improvement of the M2 over the M1 was merely incremental so the M1 is still well up there in terms of performance. M2 pro/max whatever silly name is likely to be the same relative improvement over the M1 Pro/ Max etc.
But it does create an issue when considering a new purchase. Who would buy an M1 mini for example now unless there is a huge discount as it’s been ages since refreshed.
The M2 air was an interesting update, but ultimately it’s priced too high. A 16GB/512 model is practically the same price as a 14MBP which is a superior machine.
But it does create an issue when considering a new purchase. Who would buy an M1 mini for example now unless there is a huge discount as it’s been ages since refreshed.
The M2 air was an interesting update, but ultimately it’s priced too high. A 16GB/512 model is practically the same price as a 14MBP which is a superior machine.
How can one reliably predict non-low end MBPs (14"/16") being 18 months? The one example we are using is a M1 MBA to a M2 MBA. We also have the M1 Pro/Max to M1 Ultra was March which adds 6 months to the whole progression of M1 -< M1 Ultra about 18 months. Time will tell.
Regarding Mac computers, the laptops may come out more frequently, than desktops making it more difficult to forecast.
Exactly. The only thing you could point to right now as being "late" would be the M2 Mac Mini, but the M2 Pro/Max computers are still right on schedule for an 18-month refresh cycle.
Agreed on both points. I think the customer demand for annual product updates has gotten out of control. It doesn't have to be every 12 months, does it? Why not every 18 months? Who made up the rules? Yes, the marketing department.
Apple's current M-series are powerful. They were a generational leap forward, so Apple has some breathing room to extend the timeline.
I think introducing Pro laptops at WWDC would be the right timing. "Available today"
And a lot of hits, too! We are living in the best years of the Mac. Let's enjoy it!
I don't follow PC stuff too much but reading about the x-less AMD 7000 series has been eye-opening. These are pissing all over Apple Silicon in terms of performance, with only a little higher wattage. I mean they're not just a bit faster. They're 2-3x faster.
Now my 16in M1 Max has other advantages, like insanely fast SSD speeds, and a good screen, and excellent built quality. It's not all about performance.
But for those who say M1 Pro/Max chips are industry leading on power-per-watt... No. Nowhere near. Apple very quickly lost that crown.
Now my 16in M1 Max has other advantages, like insanely fast SSD speeds, and a good screen, and excellent built quality. It's not all about performance.
But for those who say M1 Pro/Max chips are industry leading on power-per-watt... No. Nowhere near. Apple very quickly lost that crown.
I think that would be ideal, yeah. Then again, if it was an option - how many developers would actually choose to support it properly? It would probably take some time to determine how big a market there is for it and if it's worth spending time and effort on Touch Bar functionality.
With my daily driver being an MBA, I don't feel like I'm missing out by not having it. But whenever I go back to my 2020 Intel MBP, it's this "I forgot how neat this thing is" moment.
Source of this? At one point Apple Silicon had one of the highest single core scores. Are you saying not only is AMD higher but up to 3 TIMES the score?
I think you nailed it. Apple more or less tried to make it standard and developers still didn’t really support it. Even Apple didn’t do anything with it after initial release.
That combined with the fact that the Air is almost certainly the best selling model anyway, and it seems it was always doomed.
Actually Intel's chips run cooler than AMD's, top dog 13 series vs top dog Ryzen 7000 series, although on AMD's side the problem is the way they designed the IHS not the chip itself.
While AMD and Intel designed their desktop CPUs to run way above their optimal efficiency curve and they basically max them out(for 5-10% performance gain), with a small power limit their chips get way cooler. For example at 65W the 7950X runst at 53 degrees Celsius maxed out and the 13900K at 39 degrees Celsius. At 105W power limit, the 13900K runs at 49 degrees Celsius maxed out. That's quite impressive I would say.
In pure GPU performance Apple is way behind Nvidia and tacking in consideration Ada Lovelace efficiency gain I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia's new mobile 4090, throttled at M1 Max's GPU performance level would actually be more efficient.
At most the M1 Max "does a better job" in certain scenarios where it can leverage it's dedicated accelerators, nothing more.