Apple will obviously raise the prices for these new M2 Pro Mac's outside the U.S which obviously sucks, however these will literally be the best laptops on the market which makes it somewhat bearable. You know you will be getting a top quality piece of tech for your money.
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Next-Generation MacBook Pros Rumored to Feature 'Very High-Bandwidth' RAM
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Huh? People are asking for M2 Pro in the Mac mini, not M2 Max. Cuz right now there are no M1 Pros in any Apple desktop anywhere.
We're talking about a M2 Pro Mini, which could go for around 1,199-1,299, not an M2 Max Mini, there's currently no M1 Pro desktop in the lineup and the high-end Intel Mini is due to go.
I’m thinking IF an M2 Pro Mac mini were to appear, it would start at 16 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. With that, at best it would be US$1299. ($1199 seems too low.)
That’s still a long, long way off from $1999 though.
Also, a 24 GB M2 Pro Mac mini would be a decent value, but a 32 GB one not so much, as it gets quite close to M1 Max Mac Studio price territory.
Get rid of the notch, add support for Dynamic Island and I'll purchase 2. Thanks
The quoted 400GB/sec bandwith for the M1 Max is not for every block on the SoC. AnandTech investigated the M1 Pro and the M1 Max and came to the following conclusion regarding the Max:
"... a fourth thread lands us at 224GB/s and this appears to be the limit on the SoC fabric that the CPUs are able to achieve, as adding additional cores and threads beyond this point does not increase the bandwidth to DRAM at all. It’s only when the E-cores, which are in their own cluster, are added in, when the bandwidth is able to jump up again, to a maximum of 243GB/s."
This is still very impressive compared to the x86 cpu's.
"... a fourth thread lands us at 224GB/s and this appears to be the limit on the SoC fabric that the CPUs are able to achieve, as adding additional cores and threads beyond this point does not increase the bandwidth to DRAM at all. It’s only when the E-cores, which are in their own cluster, are added in, when the bandwidth is able to jump up again, to a maximum of 243GB/s."
This is still very impressive compared to the x86 cpu's.
So you like big bezels and you cannot lie? Cause without a notch, it'd go back to the old look of a thick upper bezel. I use my 14" MBP almost every day and I legit forgot it had a notch.
You really don’t need to upgrade every generation. Spec bumps like these are for people who don't already have the M1 to consider buying the shinier and more expensive newer stuff over the older M1 stuff.
You're right about the way it's phrased.
It depends on how you spin it in your head.
The M2 is 50% faster than M1, or the M1 is 33% slower than M2.
66 GB/s for M1 versus 100 GB/s for M2.
On a calculator (approx) :
66 + 50% = 100
100 - 33% = 66
But in the end they really mean 300 GB/s.
If folks, have the money and want to chase the feature, go for it.
Now if the M2 fixes the darn USB drives-take-forever-to-mount, I'm all in.
OMG no - the notch is bad enough, I don't need a hole in my screen.
Live look at my 14 MB Pro". This is absolutely horrible having a notch, you're right. I would much prefer having a thick bezel at the top like the old design and have everything move down a little. I hate having extra screen real estate.
Kind of, though this would only be an M2 Pro, not an M2 Max. To get the Max, you'd need to buy the Studio.
The argument in favor of the Mac Mini getting an M2 Pro is the fact that Apple still sells the higher-end Intel Mac Mini. Why continue to sell that unless it hasn't been replaced yet?
I do.
I have things 'hidden' behind the notch, that are no longer accessible, which makes certain apps with long menus, and others that live only in the system bar unusable. If Apple made it smart enough to scroll it might have worked. But they didn't, so it doesn't. Right now there are 3 icons on my external monitor that don't appear on my internal screen. Poor UX design on this one.
Honestly with continuity camera now, I'd rather not have a crappy webcam in the screen at all. Do that, and there's no need for any gimmicks.
Yeah the high end Intel Mac mini ideally should be replaced by a high end Apple Silicon model, but even if they do that soon, I wouldn’t be completely surprised if they still kept the Intel around for a bit longer, for the businesses that still have a need an Intel machine. Not past 2023 though.
Doesn't HBM have crazy high latency compared to GDDR or LPDDR tho? I need to dive in and look more but I recall something about this makes the High Bandwidth and High Latency ok for GPUs but would be horrible for serial CPU tasks.
Im pretty sure the power usage of HBM2/HMB3 is lower than GDDR but not sure of the comparison of LPDDR for power here.
Ooh for whatever reason I totally spaced on the Pro chips.
Strange since we were talking about a Mac mini PRO. Right there in the name 🤦🏾♂️
Yes, the Apple Store has the 13" M2 MacBook Pro laptop available...
But the article is about future 14" & 16" M2 Pro & M2 Max MacBook Pro laptops...
EDIT - LOL, you edited your post while I was replying to the original...! ;^p
This is a laptop not a desktop. LPDDR (Low Power) is more appropriate. It was never going to be GDDR or HBM the latter of which is horribly expensive and high power.
I've been going back and forth thinking whether I should get the M2 Max version. I had the M1 Max MBP for a few months and I was pretty blown away with the performance, it was almost like sorcery at times. But it was just too powerful for my needs and I actually ended up selling it and getting a M1 Pro because I couldn't justify keeping it at the time. Even though Apple specialists and some people will tell you that the M1 Pro is more than enough for casual use, I do miss the Max Chip. Even though it could be different with the M2 versions, The M1 Pro doesn't hold a candle to the Max, and that's not an opinion it's a fact.