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Next-Generation MacBook Pros Rumored to Feature 'Very High-Bandwidth' RAM
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The M2 iPad Pros have 6E so that may indicate the Air will get it on its next release.
I have a 2022 business dell laptop with support for wifi 6E and in home 3pcs Asus ET12 routers in mesh mode, I get higher speeds in the 5ghz band than in 6ghz, comparing the same distances. please don't expect much faster wifi 6e because you will be very very disappointed. 😆
Some of the rumours had suggested that M2 Pro & Max would both get 12-core CPUs, similar to the situation with M1 Pro & Max both getting 10-core CPUs.
However, floating around for months and now reiterated by Commercial Times is the rumour that M2 Pro is 10-core CPU whereas M2 Max is 12-core CPU. That is good for product separation in Apple's lineup. I had always thought it was strange Apple didn't separate M1 Pro's and M1 Max's CPU performance that way.
You might argue that an M2 Pro 10-core CPU would still be faster than an M1 Max 10-core CPU in CPU-limited performance measures, and you would be right. However, one possibility would be to limit the M2 Pro in a Mac mini to a base binned variant, with fewer performance cores. That would put the performance somewhere in between M2 and M1 Max. Also, while it would be ideal for an M2 Pro Mac mini release to have a concurrent M2 Max + Ultra Mac Studio release, we know that Apple sometimes is willing to cannibalize itself later in a run of an individual products if it means lots of sales of the other product.
Ultimately though, I'm not optimistic we will see M2 Pro in the Mac mini, but I'm not willing to write off that idea just yet.
Apple needs less products not more. They are getting close to the pre-Jobs era of too many options. There really isn’t a good enough gap between the Mac mini and the base Mac Studio. That Mac mini will be around $1,500 so the Mac Studio being just a little more seems better IMO.
Anything that utilizes virtual swap memory. Of course if you don't do anything major with your computer, not that there's anything wrong with that, it wont really benefit you in tangible ways.
This is one of those things that you'd know if you needed it. Odds are you don't need it.
$500 more for a $1999 Mac Studio over a $1499 Mac mini is not "just a little more". It's a whopping 33% more.
Yes, but the $1499 comes from a hypothetical 24/512 GB M2 Pro model.
$1099 M2 16/512 + $200 for M2 Pro + $200 for 24 GB RAM = $1499.
As I said in a different post, we don't know how much both the M2-Pro Mini (or if that thing even exists) and M2-Max Studio will cost. So without the M2-Max Studio price, its impossible to say how much of a gap there will be.
That being said, no one had a problem choosing an M1-Max MBP, instead of a 32GB M1-Pro MBP, despite it not being hugely more expensive, so I expect the same will be true if there is an M2-Pro Mini.
No, but we don't know if the M2 Pro mini will even exist either. We are just guessing, but using existing price points as a starting point. Specifically, pricing of the high end Intel Mac mini is a reasonable guide. I am under the assumption that unless Apple changes the feature set and/or form factor, they will keep prices in the US basically static. ie. No price increase in the US for M2 if it retains the same chassis and same ports. We already know memory upgrade prices for M2, so the main variable here is the upgrade price for M2 Pro. I'd hope for $200, but I wouldn't rule out $300 either, which would put the pricing at $1499-$1599.
Well spotted. I always wonder how one could even type something like this but unfortunately, grammar school math skills are not required for a career in journalism. In his defense, 200 is obviously 33% slower than 300, so maybe he just had a brainfart.
I edited my post after you quoted it, but the 14/16" MBPs show that people will still upgrade to the more powerful device despite there only being a $400 price difference to get the more powerful Max chip. And the Studio offers other hardware benefits over the Mini.
I think you're right that we can extrapolate prices from the M1 computers because all of the M2s will probably get a similar % increase.
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...well AFAIK the M1 Pro die is almost literally the M1 Max die with the bottom 1/3 (containing half the GPU cores, the second media engine and the ultrafusion connector) lopped off (ISTR it's development name was something like "Jade chop"). So really, with the "Ultra/Extreme" being two/four interconnected Max dies Apple get to cover the entire product range with only 2 unique die designs - the regular and Max. That's going to substantially reduce development costs.
They could just disable 2 of the cores on the Pro, but that sort of "forced binning" - while hardly unprecedented - looks a bit mean.
Also, don't underestimate the "product differentiation" of the Mx Max being "just" a Mx Pro with a much bigger GPU and extra media engine: there are plenty of applications where the CPU is the real bottleneck and the 16 core GPU perfectly adequate. Audio/Music production springs to mind (not much uses the GPU) and some software development ($make -j 10 for the win!) - I know that the GPU in my Mac Studio is gathering cobwebs somewhat.
Most of these discussions are assuming that the M2 series will follow roughly the same price/specs cadence as the M1 range. If Apple decide to shake that up, all bets are off.
I'm not an expert in these things, but my understanding from what I have read is that M1 Pro has its own die anyway (as you said). So, there are three actual dies, M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max. Sure, M1 Pro and M1 Max share a ton of design features, but they are still independent dies.
For M2 series with Pro & Max having a different number of CPU cores, it's not as if they're re-inventing the wheel for M2 Pro. It still would essentially be a cut down M2 Max again, but with an extra two CPU cores removed too this time.
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Yes.
There the M1 design, and then there's the M1 Max design. The M1 Pro is an M1 Max with the bottom third chopped off, and the M1 Ultra is just two M1 Maxes stuck together.
Yes, although that doesn't seem possible with the final M1 Max design. It has a connector on one side, but for a 2x2 "Extreme" design, it'd need connectors on multiple sides. That, or the connector works differently (e.g., stacking).
It seems to me they considered it at one point and eventually postponed it until the M2 or M3.
Yup. GPU cores barely help me. Honestly, I'm not sure having ten CPU cores helps much either; would much rather have fewer but faster cores.
Just saw this today. Take for what it's worth
Apple Has Reportedly Given TSMC a Large Order to Mass Produce Its M2 Pro, M2 Max and Future SoCs on the Latest 3nm Process
A new report states that TSMC has taken a large order from Apple to mass produce M2 Pro, M2 Max and future chipsets on its 3nm node
wccftech.com
And at least compare product to similar product (I almost said apples to apples here). If an M2 can process ‘X amount of data for a Y amount of output then comparing it to a cheaper computer that doesn’t have anything near the specs isn’t a real comparison. The amount of work and how fast the computer can do it matters at least to some users, so set up as near like to like performance as possible and THEN comparing real world costs of Apple to whoever.
Not a dig at YayAreaLiving, but I do hear people complain about Apple’s prices without seeing what it would cost for a similar performance machine from someone else. If price is all you are looking at then you will find cheaper x86 based computers. And if they are fast enough for you then you saved some money at the expense of spending more time.