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Hmm. I have the M1 Max and I was thinking when it comes time to upgrade I would get the Pro instead because it seemed to me like the Max was more than I needed. What areas have you noticed the Max is superior to the Pro?
64GB instead of 32GB of RAM
 
I know it's better on paper, but Apple_Gabe said the Pro doesn't hold a candle to the Max and that's a pretty strong statement. Not sure it reveals itself in real-world application, at least if you don't do graphics-heavy tasks like video editing or 3D rendering. I think for what I do, the Pro would be enough, and that's part of why I think an M2 Pro Mac Mini would be perfect.
 
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You're right about the way it's phrased.

It depends on how you spin it in your head.
The M2 is 50% faster than M1, or the M1 is 33% slower than M2.
66 GB/s for M1 versus 100 GB/s for M2.

On a calculator (approx) :
66 + 50% = 100
100 - 33% = 66

But in the end they really mean 300 GB/s.

Nope, 8.5Gbps LPDDR5X vs 6.4Gbps LPDDR5, that's 266GB/s vs 200GB/s at 256bit bus.
 
I know it's better on paper, but Apple_Gabe said the Pro doesn't hold a candle to the Max and that's a pretty strong statement. Not sure it reveals itself in real-world application, at least if you don't do graphics-heavy tasks like video editing or 3D rendering. I think for what I do, the Pro would be enough, and that's part of why I think an M2 Pro Mac Mini would be perfect.
Yes, that's a pretty strong statement, and it isn't really accurate. Yes, the M1 Max is way faster than the M1 Pro in some things, but other things it's exactly the same. Why? Cuz it has the exact same CPU core count running at the exact same clock speed. For something that is CPU limited, Max offers no advantage.
 
Nope, 8.5Gbps LPDDR5X vs 6.4Gbps LPDDR5, that's 266GB/s vs 200GB/s at 256bit bus.
I expect 50% because Apple said going from M1 to M2 has seen a 50% increase thanks to LPDDR5x vs LPDDR4x.

But yeah, just noticed M1 Pro is already running on this, so I don't know.
 
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Sounds like mostly getting a spec upgrade this year. MacBook Pro 'S' year.

@Amethyst Any insight on if Apple will be releasing new colors of the line up for MacBook Pro 14" & 16". Please advise. Thank you in advance! 🙇‍♀️
I’m totally happy with my m1 MBP, and don’t plan to change, but for a really slick midnight m2 MBP, I might consider it. (I don’t care what they say about fingerprints, I want that midnight, or at least some really nice bluer dark blue.)
 
I've barely tapped into the power of my M1 MBP, its gonna be a long while before I am ever in the market for a new MacBook Pro. Considering, I kept my Early 2015 13 MBP for 5 years (I still use it), the Apple Silicon feels like it will keep a longer shelf life than the Intel generation.
 
GDDR is power hungry and HBM is expensive. If apple goes for LPDRR5X its not bad.
GDDR also has a lot of latency which doesn't make it great for a CPU.

I am interested in if Apple will make use of HBM in like the Mac Pro somehow, or just exactly what it's going to be as it feels like if there is one machine to break norms it would be that one.
 
A part of me thinks the Mac Mini will remain an "entry-level" product with no "Pro" options. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Seems that way. Would be great if you could get an Mx Pro as a higher end option. Seems the cooling would be sufficient, and it would give access to all levels of ASi on desktop. Instead of low end and high end mini, would be nice to have the baseline chip and pro chip as an upgrade option. I/O might be expanded on pro option as well.
 
These new macbooks are little jewels, just shy of achieving perfection because of the hdmi 2.0 port.

I even champion the choice of mini-led over oled, as the former is still a better technology for a content creation use (High brightness, no burn-in with static UI).
 
A part of me thinks the Mac Mini will remain an "entry-level" product with no "Pro" options. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised.
9to5mac and Mark Gurman are adamant there's an M2 Pro version of the Mac mini. Hopefully not too long till we find out.
 
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With that, at best it would be US$1299. ($1199 seems too low.)
The current high-end Intel Mac mini, that this rumored device is supposed to replace, currently goes for $999. A jump in price to $1,199 wouldn't be out of the ordinary. That's a $200 price increase.
 
9to5mac and Mark Gurman are adamant there's an M2 Pro version of the Mac mini. Hopefully not too long till we find out.
I wish. I'm sure it exists as a prototype, but Apple tests a lot of different prototypes that don't see the light of day. My favourite so far is this one:


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The current high-end Intel Mac mini, that this rumored device is supposed to replace, currently goes for $999. A jump in price to $1,199 wouldn't be out of the ordinary. That's a $200 price increase.
The Intel model starts at $1099 (not $999), and that's for 8 GB RAM / 512 GB storage. I was assuming the mythical M2 Pro Mac mini would start with 16 GB RAM / 512 GB storage, hence the $1299, assuming ZERO price increase. So:

$1299 - M2 Pro 16 GB / 512 GB
$1499 - M2 Pro 16 GB / 1 TB
$1499 - M2 Pro 24 GB / 512 GB
$1699 - M2 Pro 24 GB / 1 TB
$1699 - M2 Pro 32 GB / 512 GB
$1899 - M2 Pro 32 GB / 1 TB
 
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Yeah the high end Intel Mac mini ideally should be replaced by a high end Apple Silicon model, but even if they do that soon, I wouldn’t be completely surprised if they still kept the Intel around for a bit longer, for the businesses that still have a need an Intel machine. Not past 2023 though.
I didn’t think about NOT replacing the current Mini until this thread. Looking at the “Pro” Mini, it’s $1099 as a base price. However, when you add 32GB of RAM like the current low end Mac Studio, you’re at $1699. Now, that’s still a $300 difference, but if you really want a high performing Mini and an i5 just WON’T do, upgrading to the i7 is another $200. Which puts a prospective buyer just $100 from a much more capable machine. I don’t know a situation (unless they need Intel) where I’d tell someone to get an Intel mini over an M1 mini for only $100 difference.

My next question that I don’t really know the answer to, is does the current Mini outperform the “Pro” mini? To the point where the main reason for buying the Intel mini is because the user still needs Intel compatibility? If so, then the current Mini’s might actually be filling the role of the AS Pro Mini (performance-wise), and they’re just still making the Mini Pro while they still have inventory, instead of while they wait to convert it to an Apple Silicon machine.
 
I didn’t think about NOT replacing the current Mini until this thread. Looking at the “Pro” Mini, it’s $1099 as a base price. However, when you add 32GB of RAM like the current low end Mac Studio, you’re at $1699. Now, that’s still a $300 difference, but if you really want a high performing Mini and an i5 just WON’T do, upgrading to the i7 is another $200. Which puts a prospective buyer just $100 from a much more capable machine. I don’t know a situation (unless they need Intel) where I’d tell someone to get an Intel mini over an M1 mini for only $100 difference.
I was hoping Apple that if Apple were to release an M2 Pro, they'd release it with a 24 GB option.

My next question that I don’t really know the answer to, is does the current Mini outperform the “Pro” mini? To the point where the main reason for buying the Intel mini is because the user still needs Intel compatibility? If so, then the current Mini’s might actually be filling the role of the AS Pro Mini (performance-wise), and they’re just still making the Mini Pro while they still have inventory, instead of while they wait to convert it to an Apple Silicon machine.
Yeah, the Intel mini is easily beaten in most things, but the advantage of the Intel model is legacy compatibility of course, and the potential for lots of RAM. So, basically it's for Intel compatibility. The other factor is ports. The Intel Mac mini has more ports than the M1 Mac mini, but less ports than the Mac Studio.

That said, now that M1 is the new baseline, people will ask for faster than M1 but without M1 Max prices. ;)
 
I was hoping Apple that if Apple were to release an M2 Pro, they'd release it with a 24 GB option.
The current M1 Pro SoC has a 16BB / 32GB RAM option. I expect the M2 Pro to have a 24GB / 48GB RAM option.
 
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The current M1 Pro SoC has a 16BB / 32GB RAM option. I expect the M2 Pro to have a 24GB / 48GB RAM option.
No, they'd most likely start at 16 GB even in the M2 Pro MacBook Pro. Many people don't necessarily want to pay for 24 GB RAM, and they definitely don't want to pay for 48 GB RAM.
 
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