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Short of the occasional bad "lemon" MBP's hold up great.

Just how long is something electronic supposed to last?


2008 17" (SNIFF) MBP bought used on eBay one motherboard repair ($ 349) after 5 years of intensive use.

Still going strong every day.

i'm glad it works for you-- it is nice when hardware lasts a long time. I have an old Tibook that still works great.

This is also anecdotal, but my 2007 15" MBP blew up just after three years (8600m graphics card problem).

My 2010 15" MBP works, but only works if I force it to integrated mode. This started happening just after the extended warranty expired -- it's a known defect.

I've been patiently waiting for a new MBP for close to a year because I can't run my laptop with an external display. It is my hope that they don't ruin the keyboard with the new model.

So I think it's impossible to say whether or not MBPs are more reliable than the competition without looking at real studies-- anecdotal evidence isn't enough in itself to show that machines are reliable and last a long time.
 
Ohhhhh..

Cant wait for this... so exited!!

Need two rMBP for my girls.....Cant wait !! Of course there better be a rose gold version...
Oh and Apple , by Jobs, NO MORE HARD DISK....that is just laughable!!
 
The best use of Touch ID would be to render your Mac useless to anyone if it is stolen. Hope they implement this.
 
that OLED bar with basically the redundant copy of the OSX menubar is kinda gimmick. the OS experience can't be the same as it is with an iMac, and basically this is where apple excels. i don't have to look, my iMac connected keys work,feel,act like the ones on my MBA. and in most cases i am not starring at the top of the keyboard. and i do use those F-keys. and i like to feel as i press them, which may not be the case with touch stuff.

and as it is with all touch-y gadgets, you have to look at them to touch them, whereas you can feel the keys with your fingertips without accidentally input something horrible. but that's just me.
 
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I about to replace my trusty 2008 15" MBP (yes, ancient!) and I think I will go for a 2012 13" MBP. Will checkout the OWC dock, thank you for the tip.

Mid to end 2014's are really good and reasonable on eBay.
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i'm glad it works for you-- it is nice when hardware lasts a long time. I have an old Tibook that still works great.

This is also anecdotal, but my 2007 15" MBP blew up just after three years (8600m graphics card problem).

My 2010 15" MBP works, but only works if I force it to integrated mode. This started happening just after the extended warranty expired -- it's a known defect.

I've been patiently waiting for a new MBP for close to a year because I can't run my laptop with an external display. It is my hope that they don't ruin the keyboard with the new model.

So I think it's impossible to say whether or not MBPs are more reliable than the competition without looking at real studies-- anecdotal evidence isn't enough in itself to show that machines are reliable and last a long time.

Agreed, everybody has a different experience. For some reason it is always right after Apple Care has expired.

Overall in 32 years of Mac using I may have had 4 clunkers, plus saw a few other issues.

iMac pink screen out of the box brand new, so exchanged
iMac back light burned out (known defect, but no remedy after AC ran out)
Quicksilver Mac : ETHERNET card burned out (after AC expired) and superdrive dead.
(Could have been from spikes during a bad storm.)
Duo Dock died (Remember the 280c or so, I believe which could be slid
into a dock like a VHS cassette.

Plus a mac from a friend I talked into Macs. TI video card bad
13" white macbook with warped rubber base panel (Apple contacted users and exchanged free)
 
THE GREAT MING-CHI KUO HAS SPOKEN
Picture from his press conference
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Give me this Apple ........

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While I can see how this seems cool, I'd get really unhappy about it pretty quickly - you have turned a sensor that previously could be navigated entirely by touch, into one that you'd continually have to look carefully at, to avoid triggering any of the icons along the bottom, or the words (menus?) along the top. The once finger-friendly touchpad is now effectively strewn with land mines along two edges - things which a finger is blind to, that can cause unexpected and unwanted things to happen, forcing the user to take their eyes off the screen and stare at the touchpad, before moving their finger anywhere beyond the comparative safety of the very center (and there's no easy way to feel the center of the touchpad, so you've reduced much of the exercise to "blind hope"). It looks a bit cool, sure, but in actual use it'd be disastrous. Fortunately, Apple has a tendency to know what they're doing, they have some experience with human interface design, and they really think these things through before shipping them. They don't always get it right, but they'd never ship this.
 
This could make it more consistent with iOS. They could show you what you've missed on the lock screen, perhaps even with widgets added at some point, like when you raise to wake in iOS 10 but when you open the lid. Then you tap your finger on the bar to unlock. I could see them even doing some sort of animation with the new touch bar to indicate the user should press on it (maybe near the edge where the power button normally is) to unlock it.

I wish they would just unify their icons or at least give us the option to match the icons to iOS in macOS. Before i changed mine i could never find any of the apps in OS X since el capitan the icons got super ugly too. I don't want to loose the functions of a full OS but some cross-over would be nice to help ease moving between them. Even windows 10 has the same icons as it's mobile partners.
 
What would be great is if the Dock was on the OLED Touch Bar,but you couldn't really do drag and drop...
You know, the second half of your sentence thinks the first half of your sentence is drunk.
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I wish they would just unify their icons or at least give us the option to match the icons to iOS in macOS. Before i changed mine i could never find any of the apps in OS X since el capitan the icons got super ugly too. I don't want to loose the functions of a full OS but some cross-over would be nice to help ease moving between them. Even windows 10 has the same icons as it's mobile partners.
FWIW, I pretty much never click on icons in Mac OS X. Cmd-tab to switch between running apps, Cmd-Space and type a few letters and hit Enter to launch new apps.
 
Proper touchscreen or don't bother IMO. Can't go back from the brilliance of that on Windows machines, even if 10 did screw over touch to a certain extent.
 
This is big guys.

This means that Apple possibly has integrated Touch-ID behind a OLED display...

This means that these patents are not only being worked on, but are now consumer ready - and we are seeing the first stage in the new MacBook - as Touch-ID will likely be behind the OLED strip.

Guess what else is going OLED? The 2017 iPhone.

So while the newly designed OLED iPhone isn't ready yet, we get to taste a little bit of it this year with the 3D Touch home button. Next year we may have a in-display touch-ID.

(I appreciate Apple waiting an extra year to make the 2017 iPhone perfect rather than rush it)

Plus - Notifications and control Center used to be edge to edge. This UI might not translate too well on a wraparound display, and hence probably why iOS10 has gone to a rounded cards overlay.

My prediction:
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The primary problem being that we will evolve into beings without fingers by the time Apple releases a new computer.
Look, they're doing what they can on the brain sensor implant project, and the good news is that most of the test subjects live through the procedure now, but... uh... there was something I was going to say about memory loss, I think, but I can't remember how it relates to this now...
 
Imaging that they add the TouchID and TouchBar only without changing the CPU... lol

anyway...my 15 years old HP Pavilion DV6 had that...but it's good to have it on the Mac, now we want new hardware, come on Apple!

Dell XPS 15 inch is waiting for me....who will take the money?
 
I'll be the most positive person on this forum when your message is true. First I want real evidence in the form of a real 'most significant upgrade ever undertaken by Apple' product. I've have enough of 'amazing', 'thrilled', 'you only see this at Apple'. I want to be amazed for real.
If you've had enough, then why are you still waiting around to be amazed?
 
I never use the power button and just open the lid.

I usually end up with my thumb somewhere close to the camera and all other fingers at the back, somewhere between the upper edge and the logo.

So somewhere there I would expect it to check my print and authenticate me.
Only than it would get the same easy of use as on the iPhone/iPad.

Can actually imagine just putting my thumb on the camera or whatever other sensor needed to security read my print..
 
If they announce these in September, that would be awesome. But I wonder what the availability would be like. There was an article saying Kaby Lake is likely a 2017 release, and I can't see them waiting all this time to use Sky Lake, and have the newer CPU's release a couple months later.

Actually, under Tim Cook I can see them doing exactly that. They will charge just as much as if they would have waited and I'm sure they will get a deal from Intel on old processors.
 
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