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I personally couldn't care less about some water resistance. What I would rather like us to get is some cold resistance. As a person who lives in Finland, I cannot even describe you how quickly iPhone shuts down if it gets even little bit too cold. You honestly only need like 0 Celcius and some cold wind and you iPhone will shut down. Then the only way to get your iPhone back up and running is to warm it up which can take some time. Considering how far technology has brought us, the cold resistance is simply something no one seems to care about even though most people don't live in warm countries.
 
Water resistance or waterproof, it doesn't make a difference to me. I wouldn't subject my device to water even if I was comfortable doing it. But I only think that the meaning of water resistance is strictly for accident prone mistakes. Otherwise, I'm not one who is going to take a shower or throw my iPhone into a pool.
 
Do samsung pay you or are you just an unfortunate victim of their marketing?
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These companies are so intellectually depleted that it seems they can't afford me ;)

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The 8 rating is given when the manufacturer, not an independent testing org, certifies the phone to be water resistant for 30 minutes at ANY depth beyond 1 meter
So this means that Apple cannot refuse a guarantee with water damage anymore ?
 
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"Dear customer. Although the IP8 is the ultimate in water proof -- have you seen our ads? -- we cannot cover water damage under basic warranty or Apple Care. Why? We like our greed and don't think our marketing should impact our bottom line. Keep buying. We love it!"
 
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So this means that Apple cannot refuse a guarantee with water damage anymore ?


No, certification is entirely different than warranty coverage which is up to each company and product, e.g., length of warranty, items covered, etc. As regards water damage, a lot of folks get confused about why cell phone manufacturers generally don't cover it. It's because even if a company like Apple certifies and is entirely confident that the iPhone will not leak under the IP 67 standard, i.e., up to 30 minutes in up to 1 meter depth, they have no way of knowing what actual conditions you subjected the watch to. For example, you might have taken it diving, or went swimming with it for an hour, or you might simply have wanted a new phone near the end of your warranty period so you left it in the tub overnight. The rest of us would end up paying for higher warranty costs. We all know that independent testing has shown that Apple's certification is accurate and if you use the phone as intended, and it gets dropped in the toilet or tub or rained on, etc., you'll be fine and you won't have to worry about warranty coverage. In fact, the tests people have subjected it to indicates that you will likely get away with a lot more than 30 minutes under water at 1 meter, but if you want to use it for extreme conditions beyond the certification, you are taking a chance that it won't survive and you will have to pay for the damage. Seems fair to most people.
 
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"The iPhone hasn't improved!"

*Apple improves iPhone*

"It's just a gimmick, who cares, not covered by warranty, Tim Cook sucks, Samsung did it first...."

Never change, MacRumors.

Apple hasn't "improved" the iPhone since they added GPS ( iPhone 3G 2008 ). All they have done is make IOS more difficult and confusing. Faster Processors, better cameras? Incremental improvements driven by their suppliers, NOT Apple. But who cares... it's THINNER !!!
 
Add this to the list of features I simply could not care about. Everything with Apple products these days are gimmicks, not advancements.
People on here get upset all the craziest bulls@#!
Yeah in 10 years of iPhones never worried about water, cause like all expensive devices, I take care of it.
Same as bezels and the camera bump, I don't care.
I put every Iphone in a case and forget about it.
Some people do not have enough to do :)
 
This whole "water resistance" is meaningless if Apple will not stand by their product and replace it because of water damage, in my opinion. Until they do that, I won't be testing out the water resistance.
This will never ever happen, with any phone manufacturer, since when a customer brings in a phone for warranty repair there is zero way of telling if it was submerged 1m underwater or 3m, for 30 minutes or 6 hours, etc...
 
dont they say this every year? we have a better product blah blah blah
Every company has to release new product every year with "new improved features" this is what wall street expects from companies, if they don't release new product every year that means that company is about to close its shop, welcome to capitalism. De we really need new Phone, TV, PS3, XBOX every year ? PS3 & XBOX used to be refreshed every 3 to 5 years, even gaming consoles are obsolete every year now and Games are not backward compatible either such a waste of money.
 
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This whole "water resistance" is meaningless if Apple will not stand by their product and replace it because of water damage, in my opinion. Until they do that, I won't be testing out the water resistance.

The whole point is really not to test it, it's that if the worst happens your phone might not be bricked. People deliberately testing the limits of water resistance of their $600 computer are fools. We'd say the same thing with someone seeing how durable the casing is and when it'll break. You... just don't do that stuff, if you want your phone to last.
 
So Touch ID, Apple Pay, telephoto/Portrait mode, 3D Touch, the Taptic Engine, and AirPods are all gimmicks. What exactly *do* you want to see Apple do that other companies are doing?
Touch ID - NO
Apple Pay - YES
telephoto/Portrait Mode - MOST Definitely YES
3D Touch - YES
Taptic Engine - YES
AirPods - NO (because they are a product of their own) & YES (because you don't need an iPhone to use them).
 
A couple of years ago, I was at one of my kids lacrosse tournaments and got caught in an epic downpour. Even though I had a Gore Tex (extreme) jacket on, my iPhone 5 (or 5s I can't remember), got completely soaked - the zippered pocket it was in was actually filled with water. Although the phone was still "working", there was water behind the screen and the flash was stuck on, clearly shorting because of the water immersion.

I took it to an Apple store, fully expecting I would have to pay the replacement cost for it, but the genius gave me a replacement, saying he "noticed the mute button wasn't working quite right" - which was funny as the phone was pouring water out the bottom.

Obviously Apple has some leeway in what they'll do, but making the iPhone more water resistant is a great thing, especially for situations like this.

Agree totally, I've had my wife's phone die due to being caught in unexpected rain picking up kids at the bus stop. That kind of thing is ridiculous on many levels. Normal humans doing normal human things shouldn't have to worry about functionality.

Define "normal" though... :)
 
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Posts like this p*!* me off! :p You're so right!

I personally dig the idea of better water proofing. All good. Hoping they add support for the wireless/padless charging... I think that would be totally awesome!
 
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This whole "water resistance" is meaningless if Apple will not stand by their product and replace it because of water damage, in my opinion. Until they do that, I won't be testing out the water resistance.
Really?

I dropped my phone in the pool last month and it sunk to the bottom. I was quite happy it worked fine afterwards. How is that useless?
 
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Does Samsung, or rather which manufacturers do cover water damage in their warranty? Not trying to stir ****, am just interested.

If the answer is all but Apple, that will suffice as an answer.
No one covers water damage on the basic limited 1 year warranty that you get standard with smartphones, no OEM
 
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"As we live a life of ease
Every one of us has all we need
Sky of blue and sea of green
In our yellow submarine"
 
Agree. And it's possible that some jackass open up the sim tray, inject water into the phone, and go to Apple demanding a replacement everyday.

I think Apple should package the iPhone in some sort of special liquid pack to make people feel confident about it's water resistance ability.
When people unbox their new iPhone, and if the phone works right out of the box, then good seal.

Lol! Ima go down to the store and buy an iPhone six pack.
 
Does Samsung, or rather which manufacturers do cover water damage in their warranty? Not trying to stir ****, am just interested.

If the answer is all but Apple, that will suffice as an answer.

I'm not aware of any, including popular water-based cameras like GoPro.

Water resistance is a gimmick if it's not covered by warranty and bordering on fraud if warranty disclaimer isn't made clear alongside the water resistance claim.

Go look at a bunch of GoPro videos and start looking at that market. And like I said above, GoPro do not cover their product against water damage unless you purchase coverage, and even then it starts looking almost exactly like AppleCare.

Sometimes, gimmicks are just fine. But lets talk about liability and fraud.

Fraud: Lets say you purchase an iphone 7 and put it under 1m of water for 29m and it stops functioning. It's broke within the advertised spec.

Liability: The vendor has no way to know that the above was 1.1m of water or 31m of duration. So they absolve themselves of all liability because legally speaking, they can't measure how you used the product. But like I pointed out above, neither can GoPro.

However, since you brought up fraud, understand that every single test performed for water and iphone says that it exceeds (sometimes to major degrees) the IP67 rating. It would be very very hard to demonstrate fraud and thus imply that Apple is liable for water damage that it can't quantify. Legally speaking, that's the liability barrier which is why no company can cover it directly.

I have yet to hear of anyone reporting that the iphone 7 doesn't have great water protection well within spec. That really really doesn't help any fraud case.

So understand all that when someone advertises water resistance claims. There's always fine print and liability, but the end result is the consumer should still be better protected vs not having any water resistance, and there's no one guaranteeing any of that -- Apple is neither leading nor following anyone else here.
 
This whole "water resistance" is meaningless if Apple will not stand by their product and replace it because of water damage, in my opinion. Until they do that, I won't be testing out the water resistance.
Um... what? Testing out the water resistance?

Buy apple care or extend your home insurance if you're gonna go around and test your technology's water resistance.
 
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