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If the damn display is of significant resolution for its' size then it's HD. PERIOD.

So you wouldn't have any problems with me releasing a screen that is .5 mm x .5 mm, and it would have an amazing resolution of 50x50 and I could call it HD according to your definition right?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the next time I walk into a supermarket, I can buy HD eggs.

There are HD eggs?? They must have a lot of HDL (High-density lipoprotein) to enhance my lipid/cholesterol levels! :D Must have those! *goes to the supermarket*
 
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Hi Troop,

While it's true that it is harder to distinguish resolution the farther away you are from a display, those popular graphs are subjective and vary wildly depending on the individual. I would use them as a (very) loose reference guide only.

Also remember that people view their iPhones and iPads at very close proximity (sometimes less than a foot).
 
So you're saying I'm relatively stupid compared to you when I'm just 16? I was referring to the zoomed in pic of the Nexus One's sub pixel layout. It's just a picture of what you can see in the microscope. Your bogus claim about the camera sensor's limitation is negated by the microscope's lens.



Not my ace in the hole. Prove the points in red please. I want exact figures, not a fanboy's over and/or underestimated guess.

Froyo was JUST released. iPhone OS 3.1.3 has been around for months, and 3.x for almost a year. You can use your songs for ringtones/alarms but I think it only works with songs you've purchased from iTunes due to licensing/rights issues. But the feature is there. Android's weather app icon and clock icon doesn't change with the info (dynamically) either. No the icon itself, but the widget does do that. Apples and oranges.

2G users can either jailbreak and get a Cydia app like Cycorder or go to the App Store and get an app. A lot of them are free and some with effects and other little features cost money. Just because it's not in the default OS doesn't mean the App Store doesn't have an app for it.

Popular does make it better. If it's better, then why don't people buy it? Why do people chose a totally inferior (according to you, iPhone 2G you keep mentioning) 3 year old product over a couple of days old OS (Android Froyo)?

Just recently, Android is selling more, compared to an ONE YEAR OLD product and that's only domestically. That's not impressive given the time and product cycle of the iPhone. It's still getting it's ass handed over to them with worldwide sales. Worldwide market > US market. I don't know how much money Android (including Droid Does and others) commercials cost versus iPhone commercials so I won't comment on that.



200,000+ apps gives you dramatically more choice than just 50,000+. Fact is, there are better iPhone apps than Android ones, overall. Yes, in some cases Android apps are better, but OVERALL iPhone apps are of better quality.

Vibration settings aren't basic. And dynamic icons aren't essential. Neither Android or iPhone OS have dynamic app icons. Widgets, Android has but they aren't the same as an icon. Globally, iPhone is owning Android. And the funny thing is, the iPhone 3GS is ONE YEAR OLD versus the recent Nexus One (>200,00 sales domestically in the US), Droid, and the other 10+ Android phones. Quality not quantity. In this case, divide and conquer does NOT work. iPhone > Android FTW!

Ok... first of all, here's the proof about the sales...

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/05/20/100000-android-phones-activated-per-day/

It's everywhere, just google it, but there it is from one source. And no... popularity does not go hand and hand with quality or goodness. That'd be like saying because Brittney Spears has sold more records than John Coltrane she is more talented/a better artist.

200,000 apps, and 50,000 apps are huge numbers. Eventually once you past a certain number (probably around 20,000) it doesn't really matter. I mean, when there were 100,000 apps in the app store it's not like there weren't a bunch of apps that were essential that the store didn't have now. Don't forget, there are dozens of flashlight apps alone.

Android has sold more phones than iPhones domestically (android isn't in as many places as the iPhone globally) even though the iPhone has been out for longer. And... if I'm not mistake android sales beat all iPhone OS devices (that includes iPod Touches)

I think it's so funny that things that seem so obvious that are so easy to implement are dubbed as pointless or worthless. I still would like to hear why iphone OS 3.1.3 is superior to android 2.2. I just want to hear maybe... 3 things that iPhone OS does better/exclusively.
 
But that's the connotation they would be invoking in people's minds (intentionally, if they call it that). This entire thread is proof of that.
Well, exactly. That's the whole point of product naming: to create an association in the mind of the consumer, and appending labels is about establishing a hierarchy (e.g. 'Light' vs. 'Pro'; 'Basic' vs. 'Master').

"HD, oh like HDTV, that means better" is exactly what you want going through their minds when you call something 'HD'. It's the same as "oh, Palm Pre Plus must be better than the regular Pre" or "Kitchenaid Pro must be better than just Kitchenaid." There's no claim that the 'Pro' name actually means that it's just for professional use. It's just the same old "more is better" gimmick, like the "Extreme" craze a few years ago.

Calling it the iPhone HD is a dumb way to create that association, but it does subtly get you thinking about displays and video, which is the only reason it might happen (since the display is likely to be a major marketing point). It's connotation and suggestion, not attestation of HD video resolution display capability or even a declaration that HD is "high definition" anything. I think a more minimalistic naming convention is in order: just call it iPhone or iPhone 4, or even follow the convention started with 3GS and call it something like 3GT until a 4G model is released.
 
I think it's so funny that things that seem so obvious that are so easy to implement are dubbed as pointless or worthless. I still would like to hear why iphone OS 3.1.3 is superior to android 2.2. I just want to hear maybe... 3 things that iPhone OS does better/exclusively.

It's not superior. Both OS'es are really good. As long as the owner is satisfied with the OS that they use, then nothing else matters. Having owned both, they both have their advantages.
 
This is ****ing dumb and a waste of resources. The screen is so damn small and having a resolution that high doesn't make it look better then any of the competitors screens. Even if the screen was the size of an HD2 or Evo you still wouldn't see the difference because the screens are just to small.

So you expect a phone to have a large 10" screen? 4.1" like on that HTC-HD would be big enough. Phones are meant to be small. I agree that the current screen is a bit small with the resolution, but we’ll find out if Apple will enlarge the screen. I hope so, given iPhone 4.0 is a major update and multitasking would be great on a larger screen.

NO...the point is they could use the same res as the new phones that are coming out now and keep the phone cheaper, because I guarantee we won't see a difference in text compared to a Nexes one. Yes you'll see the difference compared to a 3GS. It's all marketing crap to brag about and to hike up the price. Screen is just to small. Next year they'll release a bigger phone with the same resolution mark my words
Sure. But remember they need to keep up with the rest of the smartphone world.

It's almost like buying a 1080p HDTV that is 19in and expecting to see the difference from 1080p and 720p even while just looking at text.
I can tell the difference, even if the screen was a 55”. Guess I have good eye sight.

You're judging something without ever seeing it with no evidence other than your thoughts. While my evidence for believing it will look a certain way is science.

Exactly. Its all based on your beliefs otherwise known as opinions.

Well, a bigger screen would make surfing the net, using video chat, and reading books on it better/easier. And the iPhone doesn't have to increase in size much if they just move the earphone piece/front facing camera further to the edge, and the home button smaller and rectangular. They then could use the extra real estate for a bigger screen.
Wasn’t that what the prototype looked like that that guy lost and ended up killing him self?
Let's just hope the next iPod touch also gets the same display. And (finally) a camera to take pictures and record video too. And the GPS and compass would be nice too. :cool:
I’m thinking the iPod Touch may just be renamed the iPad nano or something along those lines. The “ipad nano” will have the same look as the touch but with the sliver backing and the black apple logo used as an attrentna.. 4.1” LED/iPS screen.

Steve Jobs should start with a few slides that show what the current competition for smartphones is like. Maybe put a few things like thickness, screen size, screen resolutions, video-chat, camera specs, etc. into the keynote. And then show how the new iPhone 4/HD is better than all of that. That is what he did with the iPad and it's selling like hotcakes at the moment domestically and internationally.
That’s the way I see it.
I love when people bash android 2.x but praise iPhone OS 3.x




iPhone OS is much more limited.
You can't change your background wallpaper Not now, but in iPhone OS 4.0

You can't pick a song from your library to be your alarm tone. fair enough. But then you could always ngo to bed on time and not sleep in till noon

You can't set different vibration tones for texts/emails/tweets. Why would you want to? If I just got a new e-mail I want the notification to be short and sweet. Not 5 minutes long.

The weather app doesn't even tell you the weather because it's not a dynamic icon, it always says 73 degrees. Yeah it would be nice if all the icons moved around like butterflys and rainbows..
na, I see your point, but I don't think it would be a top priority. I do like HTC's weather widget.


The clock icon doesn't even tell you the time. So you can't see the top bar with the numbers in the middle?

Not to mention if you have an iPhone 2G you can't even record video. Old hardware plain and simple. Get a job so you can aford these fancy new features. Most like your prechous wallpaper will make it in 4.0

You also can't have any news/widgets on the lockscreen. There are pleanty of news site apps and mobile based sites that allow you to get your news.

The notification system is terrible. Fair argument. not everyone likes it. I personally think its getting old. We should have an option between two or three notification types
 
I agree with this one.

if the number isn't ACCURATE, why use a number in the icon? it doesn't make any sense from a design or UI standpoint.

why have the number on there in the first place?

Because if they tried to spell out "WEATHER" on the icon they could only get half of the last letter on the icon...and no one would be so stupid as to only let half a letter be shown. ;)
 
I love when people bash android 2.x but praise iPhone OS 3.x

iPhone OS is much more limited.
You can't change your background wallpaper
Yes, because behind all those square icons, the wallpaper matters so much. OS 4 will have that function, too.

You can't pick a song from your library to be your alarm tone,
You can if you have a Mac, it's just very roundabout. Heard of Garageband?[/COLOR]

You can't set different vibration tones for texts/emails/tweets.
Not everyone knows morse code

The weather app doesn't even tell you the weather because it's not a dynamic icon, it always says 73 degrees.
Neither is the icon for Android, they have a widget

The clock icon doesn't even tell you the time.
It doesn't have to. There's a clock on the top of the phone. And again, it's not an icon on Android, it's a widget.

Not to mention if you have an iPhone 2G you can't even record video.
Get an app or upgrade the phone, then.

You also can't have any news/widgets on the lockscreen.
Lock screen tells you the time and date, what else do you need?

The notification system is terrible.
I agree with this, but some people like the pop-ups.

I mean seriously... What do you have to say about all these things I'm saying?
You're incredibly uninformed. Go do some more research.

I would love to hear why iPhone OS is much better than Android, because last time I checked, the things I just listed are very important.
Important to you, maybe. That just means Android is a better system for you. Android and iPhone OS represent two different paradigms, it's up to customers to choose the system that serves their needs better.

Just remember: there is no universally better system. There is only the system that is better for you.
 
I don't hate iPhone OS. I only raised this point initially because someone in this thread was bashing Android and was saying iPhone OS was better. While... in reality, they both are good, Android has more features though and Android is more customizable.
 
Well, exactly. That's the whole point of product naming: to create an association in the mind of the consumer, and appending labels is about establishing a hierarchy (e.g. 'Light' vs. 'Pro'; 'Basic' vs. 'Master').
Right. The problem is that while labels like "extreme," "plus," or "premium" don't imply anything, "HD" does.
 
I still would like to hear why iphone OS 3.1.3 is superior to android 2.2. I just want to hear maybe... 3 things that iPhone OS does better/exclusively.

Android OS and the subsequent phone manufacturers have had about a year to target the iPhone OS and iPhone specs, so I'm not surprised that it's easy to find specs that exceed the iPhone. In a couple weeks Apple will raise the bar once again and until competition has a chance to target the new specs, Apple will be in the catbird seat.

The important thing I see here is that Apple is in control of the game and everyone else is reactive to Apple's specs. Since up to now, Apple has chosen to update annually, it does make it possible for competition to pull ahead in specs for part of a year.

One could argue that updating hardware annually is too long a time, but I can see where is also gives Apple's customers confidence about their purchase timing.

Finally, it's rather meaningless to compare the two platform's app numbers as each Android phones cannot use but a fraction of the apps due to the gross variations in hardware specs with that platform.
 
Ok... first of all, here's the proof about the sales...

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/05/20/100000-android-phones-activated-per-day/

It's everywhere, just google it, but there it is from one source. And no... popularity does not go hand and hand with quality or goodness. That'd be like saying because Brittney Spears has sold more records than John Coltrane she is more talented/a better artist.

200,000 apps, and 50,000 apps are huge numbers. Eventually once you past a certain number (probably around 20,000) it doesn't really matter. I mean, when there were 100,000 apps in the app store it's not like there weren't a bunch of apps that were essential that the store didn't have now. Don't forget, there are dozens of flashlight apps alone.

Android has sold more phones than iPhones domestically (android isn't in as many places as the iPhone globally) even though the iPhone has been out for longer. And... if I'm not mistake android sales beat all iPhone OS devices (that includes iPod Touches)

I think it's so funny that things that seem so obvious that are so easy to implement are dubbed as pointless or worthless. I still would like to hear why iphone OS 3.1.3 is superior to android 2.2. I just want to hear maybe... 3 things that iPhone OS does better/exclusively.


You're comparing two way different things. Android isn't a phone manufacturer. It is just an OS that runs on many many different devices. iPhone is exclusive to one phone on one carrier. You are mistaken on the fact that android OS devices have outsold iPhone OS devices. (iphone1,2,3;ipod touch1,2,3;iPad) Just google it. I'd say the reason android OS is outselling the iphone at the moment is because iPhone has been stale a year. We have known a new phone was coming for probably 4 months now.
 
I still would like to hear why iphone OS 3.1.3 is superior to android 2.2. I just want to hear maybe... 3 things that iPhone OS does better/exclusively.

Ok, not saying one is better than the other, cause I honestly don't know as I have not used Android (just played with it for a minute or two at the Verizon stand).

What I will say is sometimes "specs" don't always give you the full picture of how well/nice an item is to use.

For example, I bought a TV from walmart with much higher resolution than the one I ended up returning it for. It had a horrible picture, and I'm really not *that* picky. I ended up returning it and buying a TV from Circuit City that didn't have near as good specs but the picture is helluva lot better.

Also, it can do something but the experience of using it may be more important. Honestly, when I first got an ipod, I liked the specs of other MP3 players a lot better. It wasn't until I actually bought one that I realized why people liked them so much despite not having the extra features others advertised. Honestly, it's the same way with the iphone. I had an iPaq before it that was already a year old when the iphone came out and I snubbed the phone cause my ipaq had a bigger screen, could load programs (couldn't at the time with the iphone), had an SD card and flash card reader, removable battery. You know what, I don't miss the iPaq. I think I use the iPhone a lot more. And I find some of those specs that I thought were better that I find I like iphone's compromise better (having a non removable battery means it's a lot slimmer) and I don't notice when I use it the screen size is smaller.

So, just looking at "specs" doesn't really tell you if you'll really prefer the device. You really gotta use it. And yes, that does mean what one person likes another person may not. Even if that item has better specs.
 
For me, the only thing about Android phones and iPhones are Apps. All the rest is something you can get on a 150€ phone without much trouble. Apps are the only thing I value that actually diferentiate these phones from less expensive ones.

That being said, I quote an user on this very page: "Finally, it's rather meaningless to compare the two platform's app numbers as each Android phones cannot use but a fraction of the apps due to the gross variations in hardware specs with that platform. " So IMO, as long as Android is incredibly fragmented (it's so young and already has incredible issues with it: and those issues will not go away with the current strategy), and as long as the AppStore has a controled evironment (check Android Market, it has at least the same % of crappy apps. Why? Because it's not as controlled), iPhone it is for me.
 
Ok... first of all, here's the proof about the sales...

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/05/20/100000-android-phones-activated-per-day/

It's everywhere, just google it, but there it is from one source. And no... popularity does not go hand and hand with quality or goodness. That'd be like saying because Brittney Spears has sold more records than John Coltrane she is more talented/a better artist.

200,000 apps, and 50,000 apps are huge numbers. Eventually once you past a certain number (probably around 20,000) it doesn't really matter. I mean, when there were 100,000 apps in the app store it's not like there weren't a bunch of apps that were essential that the store didn't have now. Don't forget, there are dozens of flashlight apps alone.

Android has sold more phones than iPhones domestically (android isn't in as many places as the iPhone globally) even though the iPhone has been out for longer. And... if I'm not mistake android sales beat all iPhone OS devices (that includes iPod Touches)

I think it's so funny that things that seem so obvious that are so easy to implement are dubbed as pointless or worthless. I still would like to hear why iphone OS 3.1.3 is superior to android 2.2. I just want to hear maybe... 3 things that iPhone OS does better/exclusively.

Using a phone is not just reading a long list of features. While I think Android OS (starting from 2.1) is a good o.s., using an iPhone is still better for me.
In the same way, the quality of an app online store is not only defined by the number of apps: the close system of AppStore may be annoying, sometimes, but is a sort of a warranty for me.


BTW could you explain me why are we speaking about freaking Android OS in this thread ?!? There Are plenty of Android based forums, out there ...
This is NOT.
 
it wont be HD, 720p is 1280×720 pixels :(

Of course it will. We aren't looking at a 32" TV, we're looking at a 3.5" screen. Having a pixel density that high on a screen that small will look as sharp as any HDTV. The only thing that is a bummer about that is we may not be able to play HD movies from the new iPhone connected to our HDTVs.
 
Of course it will. We aren't looking at a 32" TV, we're looking at a 3.5" screen. Having a pixel density that high on a screen that small will look as sharp as any HDTV. The only thing that is a bummer about that is we may not be able to play HD movies from the new iPhone connected to our HDTVs.

If people can't manage to understand the Pythagorean Theorem, we can't expect them to understand it applied to pixel dimensions.
 
Japanese phones have had 3xx dpi screens for years now.

Take my old 920SH from 2007- 3.2" FWVGA screen. 306 dpi.

SH906i from 2008. 3.0" FWVGA. 326 dpi.

Nothing groundbreaking here when a two/three year old phone has similar DPIs.
 
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