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Thinner battery = bad idea

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For a phone the iPhone is pretty thick. Anything to reduce the thickness is fine by me.

How many smart phones can you name that are thinner? This should be good.
 
All those advances combined only makes LTE barely possible in an Apple ecosystem. It in no way improves battery life. It hurts it. I simply have been advocating increasing battery capacity fairly substantially and forsake a bit of "thinness'. The fact iPad3 went this route gives me hope iPhone5 may as well.

Rocketman

Prepare to be amazed. Apple's LTE implementation should be amazing.
 
I doubt that. Why wouldn't it be IGZO? Why else would they be switching to Sharp? You think Sharp is the only one that can do in-cell?

I thought the same. LTPS screens are double the cost. IGZO delivers solid price savings but then I wonder if Sharp could keep up with demand for the panels for a global shipment of iPhones and the reality sunk in that IGZO iPhone displays may have to wait until 2013 (WAG)
 
So instead of using the extra space for an even bigger battery, apple goes for the "more thin" than the previous model crap, the classic apple way.

How about a better battery overall also? I really enjoy charging my phone everyday with very minimal use. :rolleyes:

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I'm still curious how they're going to tweak the OS for that larger screen.

Another row of icons and apps will run windowed, i.e. black bars on top and bottom when held vertically and black bars left and right when held horizontally is my guess.
 
How many smart phones can you name that are thinner? This should be good.

HTC One X. (equal)
Droid Razr.
Oppo Finder.
ZTE Athena.
Huawei P1 S.
Motorola Atrix HD.
Samsung Galaxy Nexus (equal)


This list is not exhaustive.
 
Power consumption for current features will be better due to better power saving algorithims, new software routines and die shrink. LTE is a new feature which was not even possible at all in an iDevice largely to the substantially higher power consumption of the technology inherently.

All those advances combined only makes LTE barely possible in an Apple ecosystem. It in no way improves battery life. It hurts it. I simply have been advocating increasing battery capacity fairly substantially and forsake a bit of "thinness'. The fact iPad3 went this route gives me hope iPhone5 may as well.

If not, people like me will simply wait for iPhone 5S or whatever, and hold our breath for the inclusion of Li-Air battery technology.

Rocketman

First generation LTE chip sets were rather power hungry, but the main problem is Apple's fixation on making the iPhone smaller. At some point, and in my view we have passed it, making the device smaller makes it less useful, not more.

If the new iPhone (whatever Apple may call it) is not 4G/LTE capable I will be in the market for something else. AT&Ts 3G is so slooooooow in many areas.

Don't even start me on the subject of iOS. It is crude and has many flaws that should not have been present in iOS 1.0 and here we are at iOS 6 Beta, not the least of which is poor memory management with plenty of "leaks" which can result in crashing of Safari (or other apps) and sometimes apps, especially the native/default apps will crash continuously in the background killing the battery in nothing flat. The native apps (Safari & etc) are a part of iOS and so you have to do a complete reinstallation (direct firmware update) thereby losing app organization if restored from iTunes (because keeping the app organization reinstalls the corrupt version of the native apps). There is some indication that a restore from iCloud may restore data, but not the prior version of the native apps and no clear answer about app organization.

Evidently the iOS developers never heard of Keychain. Where the heck is an integrated password manager?

Tim needs to make some major changes in the management of iOS.
 
Agreed, an iPod touch sized iPhone would feel just fine. Would want an iPhone battery life though.

An iPod touch sized iPhone would be fine. It just needs to be shaped properly.

The current touch has too much of a taper, and to sharp an edge to be comfortable. The first generation touch is much more comfortable, although the edges could be more rounded for comfort (I have both for app development).

Shape is more important than thickness, something Apple did better with the iPhone 3G / 3GS.
 
It is also important to note that Android phones generally have bigger screens and therefore surface area than the iPhone in order to make space for the battery.
 
Out of hundreds you found 5 ;)

Out of excuses you found 1.

How many smartphones do you think have been released since the iphone 4? (since it would be pointless to consider phones prior to a phone that was the thinnest. Also ignorant given technology progresses forward). If you don't count carrier variations of the same phone, I'd bet it's only barely higher than 100.
 
You could also ignore them or report their posts, since trolling is against the rules :

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No need to downvote since most downvoting is done based on disagreement. If you disagree enough to try to rate a post, respond and say why, contributing to the forum and discussion.

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And what would this "phone" do without any radio support (no Wifi, no Phone, no 3G/LTE or other cellular data).

Sounds like a iPod Classic with a touch screen to me.
I have no problem reporting trolls. But sometimes I'd rather not waste my time doing so, or responding to their post because most trolls are just looking for attention. Responding to them gives them more attention than a down vote. Anyway these days it seems as though the comments that get most up votes are those that are anti-Apple. They might as well just rename MR Engadget or CNET.
 
I have no problem reporting trolls. But sometimes I'd rather not waste my time doing so, or responding to their post because most trolls are just looking for attention. Responding to them gives them more attention than a down vote.

Down votes are also attention. Ignoring not an option ?
 
Are you serious? Refer to the attached image:

http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/iphone-vs-Samsung-galaxy-S31.jpg

That is QUITE a large difference in the sizes of the phones. In a phone that's 115 mm tall, a 21.4 mm difference is quite large!

A two dimensional image doesn't reveal the true "look and feel" of any object.

When dealing with comparisons as such, there's no denying the factual and very specific size measurements I provided.


With "phones" like the Samsung Galaxy Note, those lines are being blurred even more. Refer to the following image:

http://www.cellularism.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/samsung-galaxynote-vs-iPhone4.jpg
Now you've diverted attention from the original subject and introduced another class of devices which are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

At the end of the day, why not just be honest? If you don't like a larger display, that's your choice. It's only a phone.
 
You should remember that everything written in this forum is IMO. That's what a public forum is for.

Wrong.
You can make a statement and back it up with scientific or a respected source.

Everything you posted was an opinion with no evidence to back up your single myopic claims.

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Couldn't the same apply to you? If you want a bigger screen, buy an Android.

Does an Android allow access to the iTunes store for apps I use? ;)
 
Yes the LTE chips Apple will use will be substantially better. Fine. But LTE itself is a power hog independent of chip consumption. It does tx/rx at higher wattage.

The comments about memory leaks is another sore spot. A portion of that is installing half the memory needed based on actual results and experience. That was a resource decision with actual user experience problems added for no good reason. If I understand it correctly a device with double the memory doesn't have less leaks, they just impact the experience less frequently. Since this issue impacts both battery life and user experience, I for one would rank it very high on the to do list.

It's truly amazing and cool what an iPhone can do at all, but some of the compromises Apple chooses, to save a couple of bucks in cost, have such a large and uncomfortable trade off, I question the judgment on it.

For example you can make the "same or better" display thinner, the "same or better" case thinner, but with battery you cannot make the "same" battery thinner because chemistry is a harsh mistress. Mechanical and Electrical engineers tend to be confused by that. :( Moore's law not installed . . .

Rocketman
 
A two dimensional image doesn't reveal the true "look and feel" of any object.

When dealing with comparisons as such, there's no denying the factual and very specific size measurements I provided.

Of course it does. You can visually SEE the difference in size. And I already addressed your "facts." And I've held an S3 and it feels like a large phone.



Now you've diverted attention from the original subject and introduced another class of devices which are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

At the end of the day, why not just be honest? If you don't like a larger display, that's your choice. It's only a phone.

I'm not diverting attention. I'm trying to show you the different classes of smartphones that are on the market. There's a general trend with larger displays coming out for phones and devices like the Note show how ridiculous it's become. OF COURSE this has everything to do with MY opinion. This is a rumors site and the majority (if any) people here DO NOT work for Apple.
 
Apple is gonna have to skimp some where. I'm curious as to where that will be though. They normally hide it pretty well. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the new iPhone is just HSPA+ (highly doubt it will be). Also, no way the battery will be on par with the newer Androids which it needs to be at a minimum. In other words, looks like i'll be picking up a white S3 :D.
 
i wonder if this tech will hit the next iPod touch as well. I mean the damn device is already pretty damn thin to begin with.
 
I think we can also assume that the next iPhone will contain the same color accuracy and contrast improvements present in the current iPad.
 
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