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John Deere deserves to get owned by some Chinese competitor for screwing farmers with their encrypted, locked-down trash. Despicable.

John Deere = anti-American, anti-customer scum; and Apple's right there with them lobbying against consumers' right to repair their own property.
 
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I'm sorry for speculating over others' forecasts about Apple's products, but to me it makes no sense spending out a new name like M2 only for adding 2 more graphic cores to M1, as it would offer just a little increase of performance, an increase that is already almost possible now with the "thermal pad trick"
It makes more sense that new M2 will be based on new manufacturing process (3 nanometer that are awaited also for next year's iPhone processor?), together with a marginal change in the architecture... i.e. Apple could adopt Intel's tick-tock innovation approach
We're expecting M2 to be first laptop CPU based on ARMv9 in the world.
 
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John Deere deserves to get owned by some Chinese competitor for screwing farmers with their encrypted, locked-down trash. Despicable.

John Deere = anti-American, anti-customer scum; and Apple's right there with them lobbying against consumers' right to repair their own property.
Pretty messed up stuff. I know.

I've thought about it a lot to be honest with you. And the more I thought about it, they're just doing what they're allowed and incentivized to do (in America - I"m American born and raised BTW).

Both are American Corporations that are after maximizing shareholder value by increasing profits/shareholder value. Both lobby the hell out of Washington D.C. to keep their agendas going.

Both have access to BILLIONS of low interest debt to kill and sue small competitors.

America has changed my friend.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like it. But it is what it is....
 
That's why I'm saying that I'm hoping for market forces to teach them a lesson, if our "representatives" are too gutless to do the right thing.

The sad part is that the people bellyaching for "smaller government" are often the people getting used by the corporations who own their "conservative" lawmakers.
 
I'm sorry for speculating over others' forecasts about Apple's products, but to me it makes no sense spending out a new name like M2 only for adding 2 more graphic cores to M1, as it would offer just a little increase of performance, an increase that is already almost possible now with the "thermal pad trick"
It makes more sense that new M2 will be based on new manufacturing process (3 nanometer that are awaited also for next year's iPhone processor?), together with a marginal change in the architecture... i.e. Apple could adopt Intel's tick-tock innovation approach
We're expecting M2 to be first laptop CPU based on ARMv9 in the world.
My guess is that they'd go with something like this. Off-white bezels with black notch. Especially if it has a mini-led display. Just makes more sense?View attachment 1874656
That version looks better than I thought! Thanks for the work! Still would probably prefer white notch or higher white top bezel, hard to tell.
 
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That's why I'm saying that I'm hoping for market forces to teach them a lesson, if our "representatives" are too gutless to do the right thing.

The sad part is that the people bellyaching for "smaller government" are often the people getting used by the corporations who own their "conservative" lawmakers.
I'm neither left or right, DEM or REP.

Things aren't moving in the right direction no matter what party is in power at any Gov. level. (for DECADES) and I'm a younger Millennial.

I honestly don't have any ideas for solutions but to just understand it and accept it for what it is.

Try to make light of it with some humor and examples from pop culture to connect and relay my perspective with others and try to "keep on keep'in on" brother.
 
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You're allowed incorrect opinions, it's all good.

When you spend 7 years working the Bar, we can compare notes. Until then, you've got far less experience watching Apple's customers than I do ?

The 5C was discontinued because the SE came along, not due to poor sales.

If you think those of us on MacRumors represent Apple's typical customers, you couldn't be less correct.
You are entitled to wrong opinions and takes too.
working at genius bar isn’t exactly working at marketing/research.
you deal with repairs and issues and not much with design and aesthetics.
I don’t think people come to genius bar to talk about their favourite designs.

why didn’t they continue those colorful options of 5c with SE?

Apple is probably doing this to stop having a repetitive product line and to attract some attention.
whether they sell well or not we have to wait and see.
 
Since 2010 is not “always”. If you were older, you might remember this:


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Look, white bezels!
I do remember these.
I didn't own one but these are not the most beautiful iMacs.
this design language was product of that era when all PCs were boring beige color office machines,so Apple wanted to make something less formal and fun and different.
iMac G4,G5 and all Intel series were amazingly designed machines.including the iMac Pro.
the M1 design is such a downgrade.
 
You are entitled to wrong opinions and takes too.
working at genius bar isn’t exactly working at marketing/research.
you deal with repairs and issues and not much with design and aesthetics.
I don’t think people come to genius bar to talk about their favourite designs.

why didn’t they continue those colorful options of 5c with SE?

Apple is probably doing this to stop having a repetitive product line and to attract some attention.
whether they sell well or not we have to wait and see.
Do both of you realize you're arguing over a subjective matter?

When something is a SUBJECTIVE/OPINION there is no "right" and "wrong"....

"Some people THINK cucumbers taste better pickled"
- Dave Chappelle
 
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I agree that this discussion about color preferences is very subjective. Personally, I prefer darker more conservative colors rather than these bright pastels. But, I understand others might not feel that way.

That said, there are some color schemes that tend to fit more in the corporate or business environment and some colors that are more appropriate when used as a personal device. All of these pastel colors strike me as not being very business-like or professional. This is a generalization and a matter of opinion. But, I just don’t see a lot of folks walking around the office with hot pink or mint green laptops.

The good news is it’s easy for Apple to address. They just need to offer one neutral or more conservative color option, which they most likely will do. They still offer the iPad Air 4 in silver and space grey. They offer the new iMac in silver. I suspect they will offer a silver MBA, which is fine. For years, you could only get MBAs and MBPs in silver, and I used a silver 2014 MBA in the office. Apple might stay away from space grey, since the white bezels and keys could clash too much.

BTW - There is a practical consideration with respect to laptop colors in the corporate environment. When people leave the company or move to a different organization, they will often return their laptop to the IT support center for someone else to use. Vibrant bright colors complicates this process, since the next user might really not like what is being offered. A neutral color option for business eliminates this issue.
 
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The type of business one is in could also affect colour choice. A corporate or lawyer’s office would more likely opt for Silver or Space Grey. A small business owner might opt for something more distinctive.
Agreed.
 
Somehow I don't think so.

Color matching the screen and notch to glossy black is simple, just turn off the unessesary lighting zones and pixels. Job done.

Color matching white however would require extremely expensive, and require highly color accurate panels to look remotely good. Not to mention even if you could do it reasonably well (initially), just a 1% variation in color temperature between batches would be very noticable and make it look like crap. Never mind the color calibration fluctuation over time.

That’s true. I think the other poster’s solution— white bezels and black notch looks much better anyway.
 
I agree that this discussion about color preferences is very subjective. Personally, I prefer darker more conservative colors rather than these bright pastels.

A pastel is a pale or light color. There’s no such thing as a bright pastel. (Well, unless you’re talking about artists’ crayons, which are also called “pastels”, regardless of their color.)
 
A pastel is a pale or light color. There’s no such thing as a bright pastel. (Well, unless you’re talking about artists’ crayons, which are also called “pastels”, regardless of their color.)
Thanks. I guess that shows what I know about colors. Anyway, I stand by my larger point. Which, of course, is purely opinion, since we are talking about color.
 
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That said, there are some color schemes that tend to fit more in the corporate or business environment and some colors that are more appropriate when used as a personal device. All of these pastel colors strike me as not being very business-like or professional. This is a generalization and a matter of opinion. But, I just don’t see a lot of folks walking around the office with hot pink or mint green laptops.

I worked as a contractor for American Airlines, about 25 years ago. One of the stuffiest corporations on Earth. They wouldn’t even let us ride in first class unless we were wearing suit and tie. (I understand that has changed since.) But the airplanes still had bright liveries.

Apple is literally the largest corporation on Earth, in terms of market cap. To say their products don’t fit into a corporate environment is more than a matter of opinion, it’s some delicious irony.

Even IBM lets employees wear colored shirts these days.

And that’s just America. Go into a Japanese department store to shop for office supplies, and you’ll think you walked into an anime cartoon. I had dinner with an astronaut who carried a “Hello, Kitty” keychain.

There may be a few places, like Wall Street, that still conform to the standards set by Beau Brummell, but they’re a mere remnant. And I don’t think even Wall Street would object to white bezels.
 
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I worked as a contractor for American Airlines, about 25 years ago. One of the stuffiest corporations on Earth. They wouldn’t even let us ride in first class unless we were wearing suit and tie. (I understand that has changed since.) But the airplanes still had bright liveries.

Apple is literally the largest corporation on Earth, in terms of market cap. To say their products don’t fit into a corporate environment is more than a matter of opinion, it’s some delicious irony.

Even IBM lets employees wear colored shirts these days.

And that’s just America. Go into a Japanese department store to shop for office supplies, and you’ll think you walked into an anime cartoon. I had dinner with an astronaut who carried a “Hello, Kitty” keychain.

There may be a few places, like Wall Street, that still conform to the standards set by Beau Brummell, but they’re a mere remnant. And I don’t think even Wall Street would object to white bezels.
Two different industries.....

Technology is always more lax when it comes to "corporate environment" (startups too).

Go to any other industry and....
 
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