Next Mobile Intel Processors and Platform (Montevina) Due in June 2008

[Toe]

Yes I know there's a Google out there, but still, I just can't keep these kajillion different intermeshing product-lines straight.

Oh, wait. This clears it all up. Just go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_processors
and you can easily see the eight processor lines. Or twenty number series. Or 51 code names.

Then all you have to do is cross-reference that against the small list of (I can't count how many) chipsets!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets
http://users.erols.com/chare/chipsets.htm

It's all so simple now.

 

[rezonat0r]

I'll be waiting for the "rev B" Centrino 2 stuff in 2009.

 

[diamond.g]

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Do these have the quad core option for laptops?

That would be crazy speed for a laptop.

Penryn calls for quad core in 2H'08, so yes.

If I was Apple I would skip Penryn and just wait for the new chips. It makes sense if you are in the education market. June 2008 is right in the prime buying season for incoming college students. I heard Dell is possibly coming out with their Latitude E series in July August with the new chipset. No word if they are doing Penryn Latitudes or not. XPS yes but business machines who knows.

Remember the MBP's revved on 6/5/07 last year. No reason to put Penryn in now if you plan on doing the best for the summer time frame. And it would look bad to have new systems for a few months and bump them again. But Apple hasn't done that before have they

Sigh, Penryn is the CPU, Montevina is the platofrm that also includes the chipset, wireless and cpu. Because Apple uses it's own wireless it isn't using the Santa Rosa Platform and it won't be using the Montevina Platform. It is only confusing new folks that don't know any better.

 

[jbh001]

You're going to see Santa Rosa based Mac mini eventually.

Like in 2011 and just in time for Windows 7.

Besides it makes one wonder just how much legacy hardware Apple plans to continue to support with future OS releases. The more the Mac Mini lags, the more it looks like the Mac Mini is going the way of the PowerPC Macs.

Maybe Apple will refresh the Mac Mini when they get around to refreshing their displays (when LED backlit LCDs become more affordable).

 

[EagerDragon]

There's a quad core option for Montevina.

You're going to see Santa Rosa based Mac mini eventually. Apple is really struggling to differentiate their laptop only based desktops.

I need to upgrade to Intel sooner or later, would love to get a big jump in performance like Quad core in an MBP. Probably won't happen, but heck one can still hope for a dream system.

Either way I have to go soon to Intel, Aperture, FCE, and others should run a lot more smoothly than on a PPC.

 

[Eidorian]

I need to upgrade to Intel sooner or later, would love to get a big jump in performance like Quad core in an MBP. Probably won't happen, but heck one can still hope for a dream system.

Either way I have to go soon to Intel, Aperture, FCE, and others should run a lot more smoothly than on a PPC.

With the smaller motherboard form factor in Montevina I wouldn't be surprised to see a quad core option for the 17" MacBook Pro and the 24" iMac.

Take note that the QX9300 has about the same TDP (~45W) as the current X7900 in the iMac. Get ready for another absurd shrink of the iMac as well.

 

[roland.g]

Apple won't put these new chips in in June or July. They will update soon to Penryn and the new chips, once supply is available will come out in September or even October. Remember just because Intel is releasing them at a conference in June doesn't mean they will be readily available to manufacturers right away. Same thing happened with Merom chips. HP, Dell and everyone else advertised them but you had a 4 week wait. Apple waited till they could actually ship.

Now what I do find interested in a 45nm chip that is MBA sized. Would be interesting to see if that makes it into the next revision of the MBA. And at what premium?

 

[agojes]

No matter what the release is or when, news of the next better faster version will be out. It's up to you if you want to wait or not. If Apple releases a new MBP tomorrow, I will probably buy one. If you wanna wait until Montevina that's fine too but by then the next processor will be making news.

I personally could care less about the processor. I wanna see a overhaul of the entire system. A little thinner, higher res display, 256MB Nvidia video card standard, magnetic latch, and easy to access RAM and HD. Am I asking too much?

Actually speaking, me too. I could care less about the penryn update. What I can't stand is if Apple redesign the current MBP. If that thing happen, I couldn't forgive myself. Especially if Apple indeed introduces the MT Trackpad in the refreshed MBP.
However, I think the MBP is thin enough already. How much thinner can we expect the MBP get? Won't it feel flaky if the design got thinner? I'm imagining carrying 15" laptop and it's less than 1" thick. I think it'd be a delicate product and must be labeled "fragile" next to the apple logo?

 

[Norris3eb]

Hmmm.... always something better on the way. I'm still going to get a Penryn MBP if one comes out, though.

With the time schedule of June, one would think that Apple would just bypass Penryn alltogether, and go with the MV processors.

I'll be pissed too, though. I want Penryn today.

My biggest deal is wanting to hold off for fear that when I buy mine, it will be replaced by a newer model in WEEKS.

 

[twoodcc]

good news. hopefully Apple won't wait to update the current notebooks that long though.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

Just because it is coming out in June does not mean it will be in an Apple notebook in June. Penryn is a case in point here.

Normally in the past, Apple has held back on updates when there has been a derth of anything in the pipeline (back in the good ol' G4 days), so as to have something to provide an update with further down the line when the line hasn't been updated for almost a year...

But there is a lot in the pipeline this year - as proven by this story - so Apple has no excuse but to get in on the Penryn game, particularly as the MBP hasn't been updated for some time.

I don't believe the delay has much to do with the Air - they're different markets after all. Which must all point to one thing: incorporation of the new touch-pad and keyboard, all taking a little more time.

 

[Norris3eb]

Apple won't put these new chips in in June or July. They will update soon to Penryn and the new chips, once supply is available will come out in September or even October. Remember just because Intel is releasing them at a conference in June doesn't mean they will be readily available to manufacturers right away. Same thing happened with Merom chips. HP, Dell and everyone else advertised them but you had a 4 week wait. Apple waited till they could actually ship.

Now what I do find interested in a 45nm chip that is MBA sized. Would be interesting to see if that makes it into the next revision of the MBA. And at what premium?

Already talking of an MBA revision? PUH-LEEZE! That piece of **** should've never seen the prototype model.

 

[Thomas2006]

Still waiting for the GMA X3100 to replace the GMA 950 in the MacMini. Will they skip the X3100 and jump to the X4500 instead? Or do we wait for the summer of 2009 for the Auburndale-Calpella chipset combo that officially eliminates the front side bus?

Or maybe they'll just kill off the Mac Mini altogether since Apple has shown little interest in keeping it refreshed. The only improvements the Mac Mini has seen are simple processor swaps from Core Solo to Core Duo to Core 2 Duo.

Don't worry, the Mac mini is not going anywhere, anytime soon. I am expecting the Mac mini to get updated no later that a month before the MacBook gets updated with a Penryn processor. Remember, the Mac mini is an "entry-level" machine so it will lag behind the MacBook.

The last updates saw the Mac mini move from a Core Duo on the Napa platform to a Core 2 Duo on the Napa platform, and shortly after, the MacBook moved from a Core 2 Duo on the Napa platform to a Core 2 Duo on the Santa Rosa platform.

 

[diamond.g]

With the time schedule of June, one would think that Apple would just bypass Penryn alltogether, and go with the MV processors.

I'll be pissed too, though. I want Penryn today.

My biggest deal is wanting to hold off for fear that when I buy mine, it will be replaced by a newer model in WEEKS.

No such thing as Montevina Processors... Cantiga will use Penryn, until Nelahem is released.

I could have sworn this was discussed already.

 

[carlitofox]

isn't wwdc in june this year ?????

don't see them having anything to announce so they might wait off and annonuce new MBP's with quad core and an ad saying "see IBM thats how you do it"............

 

[a104375]

Intel processor lines are so gat-dang hard to follow!

Yes I know there's a Google out there, but still, I just can't keep these kajillion different intermeshing product-lines straight.

And their naming conventions... worthy of Apple almost. I love Core Duo vs. Core 2 Duo. So reminiscent of MacBook vs MacBook Pro, but with an extra confusing double-double added in.

i agree there are deffinitly to many processor lines and are so hard to follow they come out with new types of processors all the time and that macs use som many different ones but i hope they wait to switch processors that way they dont change twice

 

[Diatribe]

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Do these have the quad core option for laptops?

That would be crazy speed for a laptop.

Well they will be coming for Montevina but won't really be that much faster as there still aren't that many multi-core apps out there. Besides, they'll still be crazy expensive so who knows whether Apple will actually use them.

I'd rather have them finally offer higher capacity hard drives. 320GB HDs have been out forever.

 

[diamond.g]

i agree there are deffinitly to many processor lines and are so hard to follow they come out with new types of processors all the time and that macs use som many different ones but i hope they wait to switch processors that way they dont change twice

But they haven't. We have gone from Merom to Penryn. What everyone is getting confused about is Santa Rosa != CPU, Montevina != CPU. They are platforms. Platforms that Apple doesn't even use. If people here were to stop calling them by a platform that isn't used maybe the confusion would stop.

 

[senzung]

All I want for next refresh is some Quad core chips model or Thinner Design or MultiTouch pad, etc...

not some 0.2 Ghz "update" again...

altho I know 80% of chances would be latter

 

[Diatribe]

But they haven't. We have gone from Merom to Penryn. What everyone is getting confused about is Santa Rosa != CPU, Montevina != CPU. They are platforms. Platforms that Apple doesn't even use. If people here were to stop calling them by a platform that isn't used maybe the confusion would stop.

They don't? I was under the impression that they did. I just heard that they use their own wireless card but apart from that...

 

[Hooka]

For all you newbs waiting this long for a MBP update. If you have waited this long for a mbp, YOU DON'T NEED ONE. Stop the madness and just buy a damn computer already. All day on this site, "when is the mbp coming" Get a life.

 

[roland.g]

Already talking of an MBA revision? PUH-LEEZE! That piece of **** should've never seen the prototype model.

Sorry but I'm not talking about a revision in the sense of something just go released and I can't wait for rev. B to come out. Just speculating. But I think you obviously totally miss the point of that machine. It is what a notebook truly should be. Light. If I need to do something intensive I use a desktop. When and if I need or want a portable that would be what I get. While the MBP is perfect for the power user and the MB offers more features for the price conscious/college user/middle of the road consumer, the MBA is a perfect option for a 2nd machine to a desktop.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

For all you newbs waiting this long for a MBP update. If you have waited this long for a mbp, YOU DON'T NEED ONE. Stop the madness and just buy a damn computer already. All day on this site, "when is the mbp coming" Get a life.

Actually, a MBP is an expensive item to buy and something that most people will use for 3-5 years. Nobody wants to buy something that they could have bought for the same price and been enjoying since last July, especially only to find that a price cut and/or better features for the same money are available a few weeks later.

High-end computers (e.g. Apple) are a long-term investment for most people, and so it makes sense to wait for an update if you know one is imminent.

It doesn't mean we don't "need" or want one.

 

[diamond.g]

They don't? I was under the impression that they did. I just heard that they use their own wireless card but apart from that...

Nope. You are right in saying Apple is missing the wireless. Since that is the case they are not really using the platform. They are just using certain chips from the platform. It is similar as someone saying they have a Mac when infact they are running OS X on generic PC hardware. Apple is only using the chipset (Calistoga, Crestline, or Cantiga) and the CPU's (Merom or Penryn). That is it.

 

[2bcool2]

For all you newbs waiting this long for a MBP update. If you have waited this long for a mbp, YOU DON'T NEED ONE. Stop the madness and just buy a damn computer already. All day on this site, "when is the mbp coming" Get a life.

i think the fact that WE all are not prepared to buy 9 month old technology at the same price it was 9 months ago, shows that we have more intelligence than you who is telling us to buy now!!
which kinda means we willl be getting a life, a much better one than you

bring on the dancing girls


by dancing girls i mean MBP