Next Mobile Intel Processors and Platform (Montevina) Due in June 2008

[Marion]

High-end computers (e.g. Apple) are a long-term investment for most people, and so it makes sense to wait for an update if you know one is imminent.

It doesn't mean we don't "need" or want one.

I totally agree with you. I'll buy the Penryn version tomorrow if it's there, if not, I'll wait for that SUPER Tuesday. Why I would like to add 6+ months of age to a 2.5-3K$ system if I still can't wait some days... weeks ? (but not too much, please Apple... do it quick)

Anyway, I don't think that guys that complaint about rumor on this site are at the right place... and if they do, are they saying that they read anyway all our replies... sounds silly.

 

[fuziwuzi]

i can see reasons why apple would just skip straight to monteva.

BUT

there is currently a lack of stock in the 15-17inch mbp market. people in another thread have stated they have ordered 15-17inch (or asked for them in store) and they being told they are shipping later, or call back mid this week.

NOW

when stock comes back in, and these people just get the current SR, it would be safe to assume that penryn will be skipped for monteva. otherwise, we will see penryns released.

i am very interested to see how apple fills these orders that are currently being delayed.

PS. this is the thread where customers have claimed to have order mbps with apple but the ship date keeps getting pushed back
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/435212/

 

[saule cogneur]

For all you newbs waiting this long for a MBP update. If you have waited this long for a mbp, YOU DON'T NEED ONE. Stop the madness and just buy a damn computer already. All day on this site, "when is the mbp coming" Get a life.

It's a good thing we have pundits like yourself to point out the obvious. Were you hoping for a gold star for momentarily descending to our level? Page 2 threads like this one hardly exist for a functional purpose. Is it so bad to shed tears on common shoulders? It's not like anyone forces you to read our lamentations.

In 21st century computing, the word "need" is pretty silly; I'll admit that. 95% of us users would do just fine on a computer that is three years old. However, if we're about to drop 2K on a machine, it would be nice to get our money's worth and not have our computer's value drop by 50% in a matter of weeks.

 

[QCassidy352]

Nope. You are right in saying Apple is missing the wireless. Since that is the case they are not really using the platform. They are just using certain chips from the platform. It is similar as someone saying they have a Mac when infact they are running OS X on generic PC hardware. Apple is only using the chipset (Calistoga, Crestline, or Cantiga) and the CPU's (Merom or Penryn). That is it.

Your statements are technically true, but misleading. Apple may not use SR's wireless, but it does use the the rest of the platform - the chips (merom) and the chipset (e.g. 800 mhz fsb). I understand that you're technically correct, and that you're trying to clear up confusion, but I think you're making it worse. It's a lot clearer to say that current macs use SR, because honestly, who cares whether they use their own wireless card or not?

Here's the 2 cent version:
Merom = a processor. It can run on either the napa or the SR chipset. The original core 2 duo machines apple put out were on the napa chipset, and the current ones are on the santa rosa chipset.

Penryn = a newer processor. It can run on either the SR or the Montevina chipset. If apple releases MBPs say, tomorrow, they will be Penryn on a SR chipset. The hypothesized June MBPs would be Penryn on a Montevina chipset.

 

[InLikeALion]

Your statements are technically true, but misleading. Apple may not use SR's wireless, but it does use the the rest of the platform - the chips (merom) and the chipset (e.g. 800 mhz fsb). I understand that you're technically correct, and that you're trying to clear up confusion, but I think you're making it worse. It's a lot clearer to say that current macs use SR, because honestly, who cares whether they use their own wireless card or not?

Here's the 2 cent version:
Merom = a processor. It can run on either the napa or the SR chipset. The original core 2 duo machines apple put out were on the napa chipset, and the current ones are on the santa rosa chipset.

Penryn = a newer processor. It can run on either the SR or the Montevina chipset. If apple releases MBPs say, tomorrow, they will be Penryn on a SR chipset. The hypothesized June MBPs would be Penryn on a Montevina chipset.

I'm glad you could put that into words on our behalf - I think this reflects the general understanding the mac community has taken towards the Intel chips/sets in recent Macs. We refer to them as SR knowing (some of us) that it isn't technically correct, but is the least confusing and most appropriate way of delineating the different model.s

 

[amac4me]

I'll place my bets that new MBP's will be here this week or the next. The current generation of MBP's have run their course and are overdue for an update. No way Apple would wait until June/July. Ever since the MBP was announced in January 2006, Apple has had at a minimum 1 update to the MBP line each year (a total of 2 releases in the year) and they always tend to release some sort of updated (in Nov. 2007 it was a processor upgrade option) to the MBP lineup.

As for Montevina, there's no way Apple would wait until later in the year to release a revision to the MBP. It wouldn't make sense as portable sales would take a hit. Apple portables outsell desktops so rest assured that Apple has a pipeline of at least 2 MBP revisions for 2008. We're likely to see the Montevina based MBP's probably around the September timeframe.

 

[OS X Dude]

And everyone is surprised by the lack of a Penryn-based MacBook Pro? A 3 GHz MBP with 1066MHz FSB would FLY!!!!!!

 

[diamond.g]

Your statements are technically true, but misleading. Apple may not use SR's wireless, but it does use the the rest of the platform - the chips (merom) and the chipset (e.g. 800 mhz fsb). I understand that you're technically correct, and that you're trying to clear up confusion, but I think you're making it worse. It's a lot clearer to say that current macs use SR, because honestly, who cares whether they use their own wireless card or not?

My main annoyance is how many people don't even know that Penryn is a processor and not a platform. Those are the same people that get upset when you tell tham later that they still are using the same processors that others were using before. The multiplier didn't change, just the FSB. BTW, Napa, Santa Rosa, and Montevina aren't chipsets either.


I would hope that everyone here would be interested enough in the Mac Platform to be able to tell the difference. I don't expect people as a whole to even care.

I wonder if Apple will try to get a variant that supports DDR2 memory, or if they will go ahead with DDR3 like the Cantiga chipset is supposed to support.

If people are going to wait they might as well wait for Nelahem. The true successor to the Core 2 Architecture.

 

[fuziwuzi]

i am starting to reckon, they will just internal update for the penryns (hoping to be released soon), but do a full revision for montevina.

 

[amac4me]

i am starting to reckon, they will just internal update for the penryns (hoping to be released soon), but do a full revision for montevina.

I think you're correct. A new design for the MBP is what many want. Perhaps we'll see one when Montevina is released.

 

[LondonMacs]

A new design would be good with Montevina. Its probably worth the wait!!

 

[Glueeater]

I'm going to college and still can't decide whether or not I want to wait. I'm still waiting on Penryn...I suppose if I don't see a magnetic latch and multi-touch with Penryn I'm going to wait. Either way I will be purchasing one.

 

[uNext]

For all you newbs waiting this long for a MBP update. If you have waited this long for a mbp, YOU DON'T NEED ONE. Stop the madness and just buy a damn computer already. All day on this site, "when is the mbp coming" Get a life.

I agree.

People waiting obviously have no REAL need for a computer.
I dont see how somebody that rely on their computer to make ends meet can actually wait months to a year for new hardware only to be outdated 6 months later. I dont understand the logic behind it. I guess some people just want to have the latest and dont depend on their computer at all.

I ended up buying the 2.6 model because i needed it for many projects
if i would have waited that means no money. With santa roas everything works fine, The main apps i use are photoshop, fce, aperture and lightroom
and they are fast.

 

[akadmon]

Apple won't put these new chips in in June or July. They will update soon to Penryn and the new chips, once supply is available will come out in September or even October. Remember just because Intel is releasing them at a conference in June doesn't mean they will be readily available to manufacturers right away. Same thing happened with Merom chips. HP, Dell and everyone else advertised them but you had a 4 week wait. Apple waited till they could actually ship.

Now what I do find interested in a 45nm chip that is MBA sized. Would be interesting to see if that makes it into the next revision of the MBA. And at what premium?

I too think MV will not be implemented in the MBP until sometime in early Fall. Like you said, something happened with Merom. All you newbies should go and check out the "waiting for Merom" threads from August to November of 2006. What we're going through with Penryn is nothing compared to that "disaster".

 

[jeremyrader]

Actually, a MBP is an expensive item to buy and something that most people will use for 3-5 years. Nobody wants to buy something that they could have bought for the same price and been enjoying since last July, especially only to find that a price cut and/or better features for the same money are available a few weeks later.

High-end computers (e.g. Apple) are a long-term investment for most people, and so it makes sense to wait for an update if you know one is imminent.

It doesn't mean we don't "need" or want one.

The problem, though, is that updates are always imminent. It may not be a few weeks every time; and since I haven't seen Steve Jobs up on stage saying "...and they are available for purchase [pause for effect] March [pause again] 18 [smile and nod until the cheering dies down]," it's nothing but speculation. Calculated speculation, but speculation nonetheless.

Intel's roadmap is pretty clear - tick/tock. So we'll be seeing significant processor changes every year (shrink/architecture), and likely new chipsets in between, making a new platform for each target audience about every 6 months.

It's not people like you that bug/amuse me - ready to buy RIGHT NOW but are pretty sure a small bump in capability is right around the corner and feel the wait is justified. It's those who have been holding out on purchasing because "the next big thing is coming" to the MBP since its release 2 friggin' years ago and do nothing but gripe on the forums about how Apple isn't fast enough to get newly announced products to the table in one breath and how big bad Intel is pushing product changes too fast in the next...

 

[Aranince]

Can you say...faster Macbooks?

 

[Zeos]

Remember the MBP's revved on 6/5/07 last year. No reason to put Penryn in now if you plan on doing the best for the summer time frame. And it would look bad to have new systems for a few months and bump them again. But Apple hasn't done that before have they

But don't expect any major MBP updates until the 45 nm chips (such as those used in the MBA) are more widely available. Montevina will still not be a good enough excuse for a major MBP update.

 

[lazyrighteye]

Penryn will appear in MBP updates within the month.
Montevina won't show up until after back to school (Sept/Oct).

Might be important to keep in mind: the people that post in this thread, on this site and those that even know the words Penryn & Montevina (AND associate them with Intel) make up less than 2% (big fat guess - maybe even less) of Apple's users.

 

[nnkd]

So let's assume that the MBP line is updating tomorrow with the Penryn chipset. And, Montevina is ready in June, and Apple has them in their laptops by July. Now, according to the Buyer's Guide, the average intermission between upgrades for the MBP is 186 days. That would be mean between tomorrow and July 29 (the final Tuesday of the month), there are 161 days. That's nearly the average upgrade length. This means that Penryn chips will be arriving either this week or next for those Apple customers that have been waiting for months and months and the Montevina chips will find themselves in the MBPs sometime during the summer. Everybody wins? ... well, let's hope that idea makes most people happy at least.

 

[MYRZ]

For all you newbs waiting this long for a MBP update. If you have waited this long for a mbp, YOU DON'T NEED ONE. Stop the madness and just buy a damn computer already. All day on this site, "when is the mbp coming" Get a life.

Don't tempt me! Just... got... to... hold... on... a... little... longer...

 

[cmm26red]

i can see reasons why apple would just skip straight to monteva.

BUT

there is currently a lack of stock in the 15-17inch mbp market. people in another thread have stated they have ordered 15-17inch (or asked for them in store) and they being told they are shipping later, or call back mid this week.

NOW

when stock comes back in, and these people just get the current SR, it would be safe to assume that penryn will be skipped for monteva. otherwise, we will see penryns released.


i am very interested to see how apple fills these orders that are currently being delayed.

PS. this is the thread where customers have claimed to have order mbps with apple but the ship date keeps getting pushed back
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/435212/

How could they skip Penryn? Penryn is Intels next genertation of processors, i.e. 45nm process. Monteva is there next generation chip set; i.e. it is not a processor! You are mixing Apples and Oranges, so please wiki this info and come back with some facts. instead of inaccurate statements!

 

[mmendoza27]

So let's assume that the MBP line is updating tomorrow with the Penryn chipset. And, Montevina is ready in June, and Apple has them in their laptops by July. Now, according to the Buyer's Guide, the average intermission between upgrades for the MBP is 186 days. That would be mean between tomorrow and July 29 (the final Tuesday of the month), there are 161 days. That's nearly the average upgrade length.

I agree. With the shortages of MBP's, an update is very imminent. I just started working at an Apple Retail store and I didn't see too many MBP's, there were a lot more MB's available in the back. (I start training Friday) I would imagine this update will happen this week or next (could be Wednesday since today is a holiday).

Penryn processor & Montevina platform should hit around August or September in time for back to school. I love seeing people complain about the upgrades coming, I was doing the same when I was waiting for a Merom processor on the Napa platform. I for sure won't be buying another MBP until late next year, I'm really interested in Nehalem processor/Calpella platform.

If you guys want more info on platforms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino

More about Nehalem (including quad-core laptop processors):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)

It's good to brush up on this type of stuff

 

[fuziwuzi]

How could they skip Penryn? Penryn is Intels next genertation of processors, i.e. 45nm process. Monteva is there next generation chip set; i.e. it is not a processor! You are mixing Apples and Oranges, so please wiki this info and come back without some facts. instead of inaccurate statements!

yeah but they are both updates, you can have penryn on SR and montieva. so i was saying they if there do not change to hardware when people get the mbps they are waiting for, then apple will have skipped penryn on SR. then i would look to the next update being penryn on montieva.

(you can't have montieva without penryn. when i said penryn, i was suggesting penryn on SR)

 

[Cloudsurfer]

Doest my eyes deceive me? 45nm process for MacBook Air?

Here's for 2,0~2,2 GHz MBA's!

 

[blackbelt]

Hmmm.... always something better on the way. I'm still going to get a Penryn MBP if one comes out, though.

I am waiting for the new MBPs too, you don't think that Apple would wait and use these new Montevina processors instead of the Penron? do you???