Penryn isn't a chipset... But otherwise what you propose is viable. Although I am sure it would upset a few people.
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Next Mobile Intel Processors and Platform (Montevina) Due in June 2008
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Penryn isn't a chipset... But otherwise what you propose is viable. Although I am sure it would upset a few people.
I think a great number of you guys are a little confused when it comes to all these fancy names Intel is flying around. First, lets establish 2 things, 1 is the CPU, or commonly referred to as the processor, and 2 is the computer motherboard chipset.
Penryn = Processor
Montevina = Chipset
2 different things
"In notebooks, Penryn pairs with the mobile chipset series Crestline, which does not support DDR3, although Intel believes future DDR3 support will benefit mobile equipment's power- and heat-constrained environments (i.e Montevina)."
Note that nowhere on this page does it list a Montevina CPU, that is because they do not and will not ever exist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors
"The successor to Penryn, based on a new post-Core microarchitecture which features the return of hyperthreading, is Nehalem; it was discussed at the September 2007 IDF meeting, though the release date is not until the end of 2008."
Please also note that Montevina does not replace Penryn, it simply replaces the mobile chipset Crestline which is currently being utilized in the MPB! Also, the highest Penryn (after the T9300 and T9500 get dropped in) you will see in a MPB is the 2.8GHz T9600, which will most likely be a silent drop much like the current 2.6Ghz CPU was last fall. The extreme 3.06GHz chip consumes too much power for a mobile setup like the MPB.
I hope this clears things up!
Penryn = Processor
Montevina = Chipset
2 different things
"In notebooks, Penryn pairs with the mobile chipset series Crestline, which does not support DDR3, although Intel believes future DDR3 support will benefit mobile equipment's power- and heat-constrained environments (i.e Montevina)."
Note that nowhere on this page does it list a Montevina CPU, that is because they do not and will not ever exist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors
"The successor to Penryn, based on a new post-Core microarchitecture which features the return of hyperthreading, is Nehalem; it was discussed at the September 2007 IDF meeting, though the release date is not until the end of 2008."
Please also note that Montevina does not replace Penryn, it simply replaces the mobile chipset Crestline which is currently being utilized in the MPB! Also, the highest Penryn (after the T9300 and T9500 get dropped in) you will see in a MPB is the 2.8GHz T9600, which will most likely be a silent drop much like the current 2.6Ghz CPU was last fall. The extreme 3.06GHz chip consumes too much power for a mobile setup like the MPB.
I hope this clears things up!
man it's crazy watching the shift from supercomputing to smaller chipsets for mobile platforms.
I can't wait to see what ridiculousness comes out from the Apple camp in the next few years.
I can't wait to see what ridiculousness comes out from the Apple camp in the next few years.
Exactly. Imagine the Air with the same TDP or less and 2GHz or more in power, 4GB Ram and maybe a bump on the hard drive space. I'd actually buy it then! As of now however it's too slow, the processor is too old, and the RAM and hard drive are too small and limited. I think they'll sell a lot more Rev. B's in mid-2008!
It's not so much that the MBA needs a 45nm processor, it's more about the package size and TDP. The MBA uses a 65nm processor, but it's a Small Form Factor package. MBA's also use processors that can dissipate 20 watts of heat, the new Montevina platforms will use processors that have a 17W TDP. Their clock speeds are 1.6 and 1.86 GHZ, but they have a 1066 MHZ front side bus and 6 MB of L2 cache. Those two bumps will help improve the speed of the next MBA.
I agree... with the shares that took a 30% drop in less than 2 months, Apple need to continue to satisfy their current customer and must continu to impress the rest of the world... let's start with an updated MBP !!! ok, an updated MBP won't make any big difference to te stock market, but personaly, I don't think that the MBA had a great impact either (so far anyway).
I have a Thinkpad (PC/windows) right now and really want to change for my first Mac ever. But there is no way I'll buy a 8+ months old design if I know the average update for this platform is 6 months https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#MacBook_Pro The point here is that I'm a new potential customer ready to buy (the dream of any business, right), but for some reason, Apple doesn't follow their 6 months update cyle. As for today, the downside for them is that they never got a single penny from me yet.
god you linked to wiki and still got it wrong :/
montevina is a platform, and incorporates CPU, chipset, and wireless. it does include specs for vid, but those can be bypassed by using discrete graphics.
as some mention earlier in this thread the current MBPS are not true SR are they do not use intel wireless
so basically when u say montieva, it is implied that it includes penryn, it would be like saying car without implying wheels :/
MBA is also the perfect machine for the FOOL -- who just paid $1600 and got..NOTHING.
I have an $800 PC laptop that has 4 USBs, DVI, VGA, Both WIRED and WIRELESS Ethernet, and a bigger hard drive. It's also 9x times faster than the MBA. And it's 1" thick.
How you like them Apples? (haa!)
...and 90% of the people even reading this thread still won't 'get it right' - as most people just don't care. They know that the "penryn" is the 'new' thing - and it's going to make the system faster somehow - and that's about as far as it goes (oh; and knowing the name of the new thing sounds better then the new thingamabobber).
Some of us have been in the industry for 20+ years and know the real breakdowns - but for the masses who are simply 'using' the device - they won't 'get it' cuz they just don't care.
In other words - a proc or chipset or architecture by any name is still a 'thingamabobber' or at the very least; a 'thingamajigger'.
Some of us have been in the industry for 20+ years and know the real breakdowns - but for the masses who are simply 'using' the device - they won't 'get it' cuz they just don't care.
In other words - a proc or chipset or architecture by any name is still a 'thingamabobber' or at the very least; a 'thingamajigger'.
...and 90% of the people even reading this thread still won't 'get it right' - as most people just don't care. They know that the "penryn" is the 'new' thing - and it's going to make the system faster somehow - and that's about as far as it goes (oh; and knowing the name of the new thing sounds better then the new thingamabobber).
Some of us have been in the industry for 20+ years and know the real breakdowns - but for the masses who are simply 'using' the device - they won't 'get it' cuz they just don't care.
In other words - a proc or chipset or architecture by any name is still a 'thingamabobber' or at the very least; a 'thingamajigger'.
So true.
After skimming through a lot of this thread I can see about three things going on:
1) Many of the Apple zealots and newbies believe that Apple will skip the much needed update to Penryn. NOT HAPPENING. Apple should and better update because the advances that are gained with Penryn are enough for plenty of people not wanting to pay for overpriced hardware.
2) Many of those same people don't understand the difference between the chipset and CPU architecture that Intel produces, NOR the fact that the 3.06 GHz chip won't make it into the 17" and 15" MBP. FACE THE FACTS, Apple won't give us a machine like that, especially if the consumers want a MBA like MBP. If Apple makes the notebook thinner, then they won't be packing any high end hardware, just like the current model. I doubt we will see a quad core MBP or even a 3GHz laptop from Apple until much later in 2009.
3) Many people understand that Apple should update to Penryn, won't release a Montevina MBP until August or even later because that's how Apple does, and that Apple may, by that time, neglect the Penryn MBP and update everything else first. GOOD! I am glad those people understand and realize the truth about may happen in the next few weeks and months.
There will and needs to be a Penryn update and Apple needs to redesign the MBP case and make it able to fit the faster and hotter chips that Intel already has on the market.
1) Many of the Apple zealots and newbies believe that Apple will skip the much needed update to Penryn. NOT HAPPENING. Apple should and better update because the advances that are gained with Penryn are enough for plenty of people not wanting to pay for overpriced hardware.
2) Many of those same people don't understand the difference between the chipset and CPU architecture that Intel produces, NOR the fact that the 3.06 GHz chip won't make it into the 17" and 15" MBP. FACE THE FACTS, Apple won't give us a machine like that, especially if the consumers want a MBA like MBP. If Apple makes the notebook thinner, then they won't be packing any high end hardware, just like the current model. I doubt we will see a quad core MBP or even a 3GHz laptop from Apple until much later in 2009.
3) Many people understand that Apple should update to Penryn, won't release a Montevina MBP until August or even later because that's how Apple does, and that Apple may, by that time, neglect the Penryn MBP and update everything else first. GOOD! I am glad those people understand and realize the truth about may happen in the next few weeks and months.
There will and needs to be a Penryn update and Apple needs to redesign the MBP case and make it able to fit the faster and hotter chips that Intel already has on the market.
Simply USING the device?! And what pray tell have you been doing with it? Making love to the ethernet port? Is that why people are bashing the MBA?
I thought this was a place where us "elitist snobs" (http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/17/the-street-mac-owners-are-snobs/) could mingle in harmony- are you trying to cause a splinter group who have found higher planes of interaction with their computer?
I found todays Engadget table enlightening. A kind commenter even translated the Japanese...
1) Platform generation
2) Platform branding
3) Release date
4) Processor family
5) Processor codename
6) Manufacturing process
7) No. of cores
8) L2 Cache size
9) 64-bit support
10) Highest FSB speed
11) Chipset group
12) Highest memory speed supported
13) Graphics core
14) Sound
15) Wireless connection group
16) Wireless connection specification
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All that was being said is that people here, in general, will continue to use the wrong terminology when talking about CPUs, chipsets, and platforms.
Since the misinformation is recycled by most (if not all) Mac websites it won't be fixed.
Since the misinformation is recycled by most (if not all) Mac websites it won't be fixed.
so, if montevina is a chipset, maybe the MB layout has to change a bit, so maybe apple could change the design.
To bad its in june, cant wait that long, hope the "tomorrow" refresh will be a nice one, so i can buy my 1º
Montevina isn't a chipset... it is a platform. That Apple doesn't use.
Hmmm can someone help fill in the blanks for laptops and desktops?
The CPU = Penryn now, next update will be .....
THE Desktop Chipset now = Santa Rosa The next update will be the Montevina.
But Apple doesn't use this? And also
Mobile Apple computers can use Penryn CPU, the next update will be Nehalem.
Mobile Apple computers use Crestline mobile chipset now The next update will be .... Montevina?
What does Apple use Chipset and CPU wise, and what's up next, when? (and for the diehard neverbuyers, what's on the horizon after that?)
The CPU = Penryn now, next update will be .....
THE Desktop Chipset now = Santa Rosa The next update will be the Montevina.
But Apple doesn't use this? And also
Mobile Apple computers can use Penryn CPU, the next update will be Nehalem.
Mobile Apple computers use Crestline mobile chipset now The next update will be .... Montevina?
What does Apple use Chipset and CPU wise, and what's up next, when? (and for the diehard neverbuyers, what's on the horizon after that?)
[/QUOTE]Please also note that Montevina does not replace Penryn, it simply replaces the mobile chipset Crestline which is currently being utilized in the MPB! Also, the highest Penryn (after the T9300 and T9500 get dropped in) you will see in a MPB is the 2.8GHz T9600, which will most likely be a silent drop much like the current 2.6Ghz CPU was last fall. The extreme 3.06GHz chip consumes too much power for a mobile setup like the MPB.
I hope this clears things up![/QUOTE]
That is a shame, I am still going to get a MBP though. Penryn will definitely do!
I hope this clears things up![/QUOTE]
That is a shame, I am still going to get a MBP though. Penryn will definitely do!
Me too.....
I can't wait 4 to 8 months for a new new CPU... And if I'll wait 4-8 months.. there will be a new CPU on the way...
I can't wait getting my verry first Mac ... I just love u