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Next Mobile Intel Processors and Platform (Montevina) Due in June 2008
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Awww, crap, I'm fu***in screwed!! Sorry, guys gonna have to terminate my membership on the forums... if only I could change my age too, then they would never find me, muahahaha...
Note to self..... never mention working at an Apple store again....
It's people like YOU who bug/amuse me to assume that consumers are not justified in demanding the most value for money. If Intel's roadmap is so well defined, then why not should Apple follow with the most contemporary updates as possible? While we'd all like to espouse how far ahead of the curve Apple are in terms of creating a better user experience, they've traditionally fallen behind in terms of technological prowess and there are a good many power users or just plain practical consumers out there who would like to see Apple keep pace with the PC world with regards to performance. And why not? Not everybody out there buys an $1800 laptop to do the kind of basic word processing and web surfing we were doing 10 years ago.
tech sites have been stating that a penryn at the same ghz rating at current cpu at the same rating, will be 10% faster. but we are going to see those speed improvement soon (if they update the current mbps with penryn).
i could take a guess at the speed bump at the speed increase of 1066mhz ram over 667mhz, and the 1066 fsb over 800mhz fsb. but i would mostly be wrong, i think most of the speed improvement would come from the ram though. but in the past when FSB/RAM has been improved the speed increase has tended to be incremental, rather than monumental,
but that is not the Major redesign that will likely come early (March) next year.
Not being argumentative, just curious what your description of a redesign would be? Because you listed several things that in my mind count as a redesign.
Granted many of those changes can be made without changing the shape of the current case... is what what you meant as a redesign?
i think the common use of major redesign includes the case and design of the product. while any changes to the internals when the case stays the same would be considered an update
LOL, I though to myself, if he starts training at his new job on Friday (or was it Thursday) as he mentioned, then I guess he hadn't signed the "Hear No Apple, See No Apple, SPEAK NO APPLE, least thy get thy ass fired" paperwork yet.
😛
j_holtslander
macrumors member
Next big thing:
Ha! That was my first REAL computer! Ah the good 'ol days when that chip could play the highest end game in the world... Doom 1
diamond.g
macrumors G5
From my experience, the CPU makers usually "slow down" the CPU when increasing the FSB (by way of the multiplier). The CPU speeds should stay the same, but overall you will see a speed increase due to the higher bus and memory bandwidth. The only downside is they aren't going to be using DDR2 memory, and DDR3 memory is more expensive, plus it doesn't look like there is going to be a DDR2 version of Cantiga.
EagerDragon
macrumors 68020
In my crazy definition, it means a new or significant change to the case, placements of components in the cases (motherboard changes, 2nd battery, access to disk drive), and or more/less ports. In other words you can tell is something new from 5 to 15 feet away.
Example a black metal casing would be something that you can tell at that distance but by itself, it is a minor redesign, mainly cosmetic.
By major redesign I do not mean one change like a new keyboard or case color, I mean several items (3+) that change.
Did not take it as argumentative, no issue with explaining what I mean.
A lot of times the case is the tell tale sign as a smaller or larger motherboard is then used, with several of the chips moved around and some modification of the airflow and the addition to access bays to reach components that previously were not reacheable without major surgery. In the process you may lose or gain ports like for example firewire.
Yes apple will do minor cosmetic changes for the short term. As I stated, Apple needs to contiinue to grow during the down turn, so it does need to attract more clients and will IMHO do so by doing bumps and some cosmetic changes + LED which we all know is a sure thing. But IMHO will not go after a Major Redesign until 2009 when new chipsets will bring more significant changes where chip position and airflows will be more of an issue.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
EagerDragon
macrumors 68020
GT500Shlby
macrumors member
I think they will release something new soon. Think of it this way.
Apple uses us.
They use the rumor sites, blogs and forums. Just the sheer volume of rumors and speculation alone will drive Apple to release something. I can almost guarantee they read and have meetings on all the rumors floating about. We, the consumer are voicing our opinions on what we want. They read that and respond with a product.
Like "accidentally" releasing the "MacBookPro4,1" - they know we are watching. They are not naive. They are fueling the fire - albeit a little too much because they inevitably fail us a little in the end.
For instance, I already have a 17" top-of-the-line MBP and it works just fine for what I use it for. However, being a gadget person I want something newer. I bought my MBP just before Christmas 2006. So I have had that laptop for a little more than a year. Conceivably I could wait until the end of 2008 to purchase a new MBP.
What would make me purchase a new one sooner would be:
LED Back-lit Glossy 1920x1200 17" Widescreen
Multi-Touch track pad
Penryn T9300 - T9500 C2D
I think that is a highly optimistic fortune, truth be told. We may just see the regular cold-cathode WUXGA and a Penryn now with the other goodies coming later. Which, then I would just wait until the end of 2008 before I drop $4,000 on a machine.
Apple uses us.
They use the rumor sites, blogs and forums. Just the sheer volume of rumors and speculation alone will drive Apple to release something. I can almost guarantee they read and have meetings on all the rumors floating about. We, the consumer are voicing our opinions on what we want. They read that and respond with a product.
Like "accidentally" releasing the "MacBookPro4,1" - they know we are watching. They are not naive. They are fueling the fire - albeit a little too much because they inevitably fail us a little in the end.
For instance, I already have a 17" top-of-the-line MBP and it works just fine for what I use it for. However, being a gadget person I want something newer. I bought my MBP just before Christmas 2006. So I have had that laptop for a little more than a year. Conceivably I could wait until the end of 2008 to purchase a new MBP.
What would make me purchase a new one sooner would be:
LED Back-lit Glossy 1920x1200 17" Widescreen
Multi-Touch track pad
Penryn T9300 - T9500 C2D
I think that is a highly optimistic fortune, truth be told. We may just see the regular cold-cathode WUXGA and a Penryn now with the other goodies coming later. Which, then I would just wait until the end of 2008 before I drop $4,000 on a machine.
The Target Configuration
In light of both the Montevina and Blu-Ray news of late, wouldn't the configuration that we all would include:
Montevina
Blu-Ray
17" display
1920x1080 full-HD Res
I think this would be a category killer.
If I am in the $3k neighborhood, I can wait 6 months, as painful as it may be.
In light of both the Montevina and Blu-Ray news of late, wouldn't the configuration that we all would include:
Montevina
Blu-Ray
17" display
1920x1080 full-HD Res
I think this would be a category killer.
If I am in the $3k neighborhood, I can wait 6 months, as painful as it may be.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
What "Blu-Ray" news?
Or, did you mean BD - "Blu-ray Disk".
But, you are right that it's about time that Apple put BDs into MACs.
Or, did you mean BD - "Blu-ray Disk".
But, you are right that it's about time that Apple put BDs into MACs.
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
You forgot:
Dual 2.8GHz
built in 3G
Dual HDDs
500GB BTO
three FW ports (400 or 800)
redesigned case
larger trackpad with multi-touch
I think this would be the machine that I can truly call a PRO machine.
Full of Win
macrumors 68030
Dual 2.8GHz: Why not just a Quadcore?
Built in 3G: Too many standards out there to make it an option for Apple's way of doing things.
Dual HDDs: The case is cramped enough as is.
500GB BTO: Sure
Three FW ports (400 or 800): How about USB 3.0 or eSATA?
Redesigned case: The current one is stale
Larger trackpad with multi-touch: Sure
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Mbpe
Is Apple's way "ignoring the wishes and needs of its customers"? Sometimes it seems so.
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eSATA 3.0 Gbps definitely. One port with an Apple-styled 5-way eSATA port multiplier available as an accessory.
I'd guess that USB 3.0 could wait for the first major revision.
Come back and ask that question again once 1394b S3200 is ratified and starts shipping. eSATA 3.0 Gbps is here now.
I think that D.Skunk's point would be for Apple to address people who depend on portable computers for their jobs (that's what "Pro" used to mean before Apple changed its meaning to "shiny"). This means *adding* a portable workstation to the line - a thicker, heavier MacBook with more power, ports and storage (and cooling). With Apple's way of naming, this would probably be the MBPE - the MacBook Pro Extreme.
But yes, the TiBook style is old and stale. The MBP needs an update too.
Is Apple's way "ignoring the wishes and needs of its customers"? Sometimes it seems so.
Hitachi and ASUS Collaborate to Deliver the World’s First One Terabyte Notebook PC
pwned
eSATA 3.0 Gbps definitely. One port with an Apple-styled 5-way eSATA port multiplier available as an accessory.
I'd guess that USB 3.0 could wait for the first major revision.
Come back and ask that question again once 1394b S3200 is ratified and starts shipping. eSATA 3.0 Gbps is here now.
I think that D.Skunk's point would be for Apple to address people who depend on portable computers for their jobs (that's what "Pro" used to mean before Apple changed its meaning to "shiny"). This means *adding* a portable workstation to the line - a thicker, heavier MacBook with more power, ports and storage (and cooling). With Apple's way of naming, this would probably be the MBPE - the MacBook Pro Extreme.
But yes, the TiBook style is old and stale. The MBP needs an update too.
All this talk about USB 3.0, eSATA, FW3200, etc. is getting me all excited!!
Which is why I'm going to wait until 2009 to buy my next laptop. Like GT500Shlby, I bought my MBP in November 2006 (Napa Core2Duo with Merom processor) and I missed out on small things like upgradeable to 4GB of RAM, new graphics card and the oh so sweet 1920x1200 display!
However, before I drop $3,000 on my next MBP, the longer I wait the better. In 2009, Nehalem will be the processor, quad-core with up to 4 GB of RAM, better graphics card, LED 1920x1200 display, and blu-ray 4x burner. That would be sweet!! I can't wait until next year!!
Then I'll be able to use my Apple Employee discount!!! ....... which I'm not supposed to talk about here....... nevermind.... you never heard that.
Which is why I'm going to wait until 2009 to buy my next laptop. Like GT500Shlby, I bought my MBP in November 2006 (Napa Core2Duo with Merom processor) and I missed out on small things like upgradeable to 4GB of RAM, new graphics card and the oh so sweet 1920x1200 display!
However, before I drop $3,000 on my next MBP, the longer I wait the better. In 2009, Nehalem will be the processor, quad-core with up to 4 GB of RAM, better graphics card, LED 1920x1200 display, and blu-ray 4x burner. That would be sweet!! I can't wait until next year!!
Then I'll be able to use my Apple Employee discount!!! ....... which I'm not supposed to talk about here....... nevermind.... you never heard that.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
I would think S3200 would be a waste of time. Why? Cause S1600 has been around for a while and I haven't seen any products that use it. Why would I expect S3200 to be in use?
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
No need to wait for eSATA. Laptops are already using it:
There are also ExpressCard eSATA and eSATA RAID controllers available, and many external disks with eSATA (from the simple Seagate Freeagent Pro with USB 2.0 + eSATA) to small and midsize arrays.
USB 3.0 will be here in 2009/2010, but if you hold your breath waiting for 1394b S3200 you might turn this color:
yup- its simply capitalism my friends. I've been in the "Wait for new Macbook Pro's" forum, the one where the vote spells Montevina as Monteniva.... I can't handle it in there. There are so many morons. Oh yeah and someone said earlier that "its still going to be the same Penryn" - no, no its not... It will be a predecessor that can accept the full 1066 FBS. This current penryn was a premature release on intel's part to help flush out the old, obsolete technologies known as the Santa Rose and many suckers have made their plans reality. Its funny how the MBP (early 2008) performed worse on nearly every bench mark and below on overall performance than the MBP 2007 and yet there are morons who go out and buy it anyways 😱... sillyness...
diamond.g
macrumors G5
Yes?? haha- what the hell? I'm not sure where your question is going? Are you saying that somehow the SR platform doesn't use CPU's? Well I just read a few of your posts and you obviously know what you're talking about- this penryn processor is backwards compatible with SR to accept the 800 MHz FBS. This CPU was used to get buyers to buy now due to the overstock of SR platforms which will soon be obsolete. Remember how Intel announced there would be a limited supply? This wasn't because of production woes, this was a strategic plan based on current SR inventories to get suckers to think "Oh I'd better get one now." The next Penryn will accept the full 1066 that the Montevina platform and Cantiga chipset will offer. That's all I am saying.