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CPU: Penryn -> Nehalem
Chipset: Crestline -> Cantiga
Montevina includes Intel Wireless. It is a platform not a chipset.
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Next Mobile Intel Processors and Platform (Montevina) Due in June 2008
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CPU: Penryn -> Nehalem
Chipset: Crestline -> Cantiga
Montevina includes Intel Wireless. It is a platform not a chipset.
Question to help clear things up at my end. What will be the benefit of waiting for the montevina platform? Also if Nehalem is the next big thing in processors, do we see the full advantage when it is released the beginning of next year? Would we have to wait 6 months for the next platform to be released? If someone could explain what extra we could expect from these upgrades, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Joe
Thanks,
Joe
Cantiga brings faster fsb (1066) and faster RAM (DDR3). The Penryn processors would run faster, but the CPU's are pretty much the same as the ones before. Nehalem is supposed to be a total revision to the mobile line of microprocessors. Aside from better power use and more cache I am not sure what else it brings.
The problem is that what you're describing is totally against which way the market has been moving. People are not buying anymore desktops. They want laptops that they can do everything on. The MBA is not a machine that you can replace your desktop with. This is why I think Apple missed the boat with the MBA. It may not require you have another computer, but strongly suggests it.
Oh man you're a smart one. You're right we should just buy a MBP now, it's best to toss out the info of an imminent update of the MBP line that could come out as soon as tomorrow. You should be an investor!
You think these posts about people complaining they want new MBP's are annoying? You should try reading the posts made by all these mouth breathing-bottom feeders that just spew out "Duhr buy it now guys its a great buy just get it if you need it *drool*".
I agree with alot of what you said... most people are definitely confused.
it's funny, because my friend and i were discussing this digi-times article last night... and we came up with these basic conclusions/predictions/opinions:
1. Penryn processor will be (very?) coming soon - they need to do this to distinguish their pro line and not stay behind on the curve. Getting the Penryn upgrade gives more of a performance boost than the entire montevina overhaul or the cantiga chipset upgrade.
2. Montevina will be released post back-to-school bonanza. Apple has done this before, they like to discount and bundle for back-to-school to get rid of their current inventory. And this release reloads them in preparation for the upcoming holiday season.
I've attached an image of Intel's Roadmap in hopes of making things a bit clear(er) for people. I hope it helps.
it's funny, because my friend and i were discussing this digi-times article last night... and we came up with these basic conclusions/predictions/opinions:
1. Penryn processor will be (very?) coming soon - they need to do this to distinguish their pro line and not stay behind on the curve. Getting the Penryn upgrade gives more of a performance boost than the entire montevina overhaul or the cantiga chipset upgrade.
2. Montevina will be released post back-to-school bonanza. Apple has done this before, they like to discount and bundle for back-to-school to get rid of their current inventory. And this release reloads them in preparation for the upcoming holiday season.
I've attached an image of Intel's Roadmap in hopes of making things a bit clear(er) for people. I hope it helps.
Well I think the thing would come from making the display cover a little thinner. Maybe the MBP is already thinner but my G4 Powerbook has a relatively thick display cover.
Major information overload
Will someone please explain what is the link/difference between Montevina and Nehalem please!
Then you'll love it when Nehalem comes out at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009. I've heard its official name will be Core 3 Duo.
Will someone please explain what is the link/difference between Montevina and Nehalem please!
Just my opinion:
Given the economic down turn, I expect new MBP this month and new ones around Sept then again in March 2009. If there is going to be a major redesign, it will probably be in early 2009 around March.
This year and next Apple needs more switchers and more users to upgrade so they are going to push new systems out as long as they can give the users a compelling reason to Buy/Upgrade.
If you are waiting for the redesign, you have about a year to wait. There is little wrong with the current MBP design, other than the Alum haas a negative effect on the WIFI signal.
Now this does not mean that they can not sell you a new system with better CPU, faster FSB, LED light, better screen resolution in the mean time but that is not the Major redesign that will likely come early (March) next year.
Given the economic down turn, I expect new MBP this month and new ones around Sept then again in March 2009. If there is going to be a major redesign, it will probably be in early 2009 around March.
This year and next Apple needs more switchers and more users to upgrade so they are going to push new systems out as long as they can give the users a compelling reason to Buy/Upgrade.
If you are waiting for the redesign, you have about a year to wait. There is little wrong with the current MBP design, other than the Alum haas a negative effect on the WIFI signal.
Now this does not mean that they can not sell you a new system with better CPU, faster FSB, LED light, better screen resolution in the mean time but that is not the Major redesign that will likely come early (March) next year.
wow a mb with montevina would be hell yummy. it's kinda hard to think how powerful small laptops are getting
I'm waiting for the Montevina MBA. They run at 17 watts, versus the current 20 watt CPU. 6 hour battery life? Then there's also a 10watt 1.4GB CPU coming out as well. 8+ hour battery life?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/intel-releasing-15-montevina-cpus-in-may/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/intel-releasing-15-montevina-cpus-in-may/
Fine. They are the set of chips (CPU, northbridge, southbridge, wireless, etc.) that comprise various versions of the Centrino platform. Heaven forbid we call the set of chips that make up the platform a chipset.
of course Apple will update MBP's with Penryn. How can some of you be so stupid? Apple is charging premium prices for its laptops, and if every other manufacturer is putting the latest Penryn chips in their top laptops (and not even top) then Apple HAS to do the same.
Anyhow, all these improvements that Intel is doing every 6 months aren't really that amazing. The speed increase is all pretty negligible. No way I would wait for a slightly faster chip in 6 months (nor a platform which doesn't provide that much more)
Now an overhaul to the entire system, thats something I would consider waiting for.
Anyhow, all these improvements that Intel is doing every 6 months aren't really that amazing. The speed increase is all pretty negligible. No way I would wait for a slightly faster chip in 6 months (nor a platform which doesn't provide that much more)
Now an overhaul to the entire system, thats something I would consider waiting for.
Nehalem & Penryn = CPU
Montevina = Centrino platform which includes CPU (Nehalem or Penryn), northbridge, southbridge, wireless, etc.
(Sorry, I'll get skewered by some if I call the set of chips that comprise Montevina a chipset.)
Except for the Mac Pro, Apple essentially uses the Santa Rosa platform (minus Intel's wireless) for its notebooks and the iMac. If you want to get technical, it uses the Crestline northbridge & southbridge chips.
The Mac mini essentially uses the Napa platform (also minus Intel's wireless), specifically the Calistoga chips.
The Cantiga chips from the Montevina platform is what (most) everyone is really excited about when they talk about Apple using the Montevina platform.
I want to use next year's tax refund to get a Mac that uses Nehalem + Calpella chips, because that's when the front side bus officially gets eliminated.
Clear as mud?
Just my opinion:
Given the economic down turn, I expect new MBP this month and new ones around Sept then again in March 2009. If there is going to be a major redesign, it will probably be in early 2009 around March.
This year and next Apple needs more switchers and more users to upgrade so they are going to push new systems out as long as they can give the users a compelling reason to Buy/Upgrade.
If you are waiting for the redesign, you have about a year to wait. There is little wrong with the current MBP design, other than the Alum haas a negative effect on the WIFI signal.
Now this does not mean that they can not sell you a new system with better CPU, faster FSB, LED light, better screen resolution in the mean time but that is not the Major redesign that will likely come early (March) next year.
actually with Apple bringing in new designs all the time (and with this new aluminium/black/silver theme) I don't see why a new MBP design or slightly revised isn't in the pipelines for the near future term
Fine. They are the set of chips (CPU, northbridge, southbridge, wireless, etc.) that comprise various versions of the Centrino platform. Heaven forbid we call the set of chips that make up the platform a chipset.
You have a point. Really we should be specific when referring to what chips Apple uses. Apple doesn't use Intel Wireless (or LAN AFAIK), or NAND (Robson) so to call the systems by the platform name is disingenuous.yeah, as a current PC user (switching to apple if mbps come out before uni starts) i find it hard with apple, all their computer products are based around laptop cpus, ram and chipsets, except for the mac pro, and that costs thousands, and is basically high end workstation gear.
they really do lack something in the middle ground.
Perhaps, but since Intel rarely trumpets updates to its northbridge and southbridge chips as loudly as (or separately from) its upgrades to its Centrino platform, it's easier to just follow their lead.