Next Version of Windows to Incorporate Advanced Touch Features

[Digital Skunk]

From what I have noticed, Apple's Pro apps are mostly CPU dependent. Unless there were a mass of code that the GPU's would run noticeably faster it wouldn't be worth the manpower/time.

Honestly SLI would be cool. It would have to be available in a machine that was less than $2500 (read xMac). I don't know why they don't offer SLI in the iMac, I would accept a thicker unit if I knew it was packing 8700/8800M GT SLI.

The ones i use are, but Motion is actually based a lot on the GFX chip in the machine. I am sure that SLI and Crossfire won't benefit anything that isn't programed to use them but it could happen. And now that Final Cut Pro has some Motion features in it, that app could benefit, and Shake should be updated sometime in the near future, and that app would be very GFX dependent.

This is all speculation of course, so I am still just dreaming. The other Apps are a toss up, but i know that After Effects is GFX dependent as is Illustrator and Maya.

 

[Mike Teezie]

None of you ******* can appreciate a good war. "But they are both good, can't we all just get along and love one another". Pfft. Take your balls out of the freezer and pick a side.

This is the greatest post I have ever seen.

 

[Cleverboy]

None of you ******* can appreciate a good war. "But they are both good, can't we all just get along and love one another". Pfft. Take your balls out of the freezer and pick a side.

I find your avatar unsettling. I just wanted to put that out there.

~ CB

 

[Digital Skunk]

I find your avatar unsettling. I just wanted to put that out there.

~ CB

Not to get too far off topic but what's so unsettling about it? I find his comment a bit over the top, calling people ******* and what not. I don't like the egg shell walking that a lot of people do on this site but I don't think it requires what he/she said.

 

[Analog Kid]

Think of PPC Macs, they seem obsolete don't they. Think of G4 powerbooks, I wouldn't use one if you gave it to me for free,

I'd totally buy a G4 powerbook. I'd be really happy with a G4 powerbook. More than adequate to handle my video editing. In fact, the plan is to buy one in January after I finish paying the xmas bills.

ok? Congrats man I'm happy for you. I'm thinking of buying buying a new external HD next year, I just wanted to let you know because it's so pertinent.

Rule #27 = Be consistent.

Rule #26= practice what you preach

I find your avatar unsettling. I just wanted to put that out there.

~ CB

Once I saw it as a temple in front of a sunset, I found it less disturbing...

 

[DMann]

Unsettling

I find your avatar unsettling. I just wanted to put that out there.

~ CB

Why, this all depends on how you take it..........

 

[macinfojunkie]

Eh, I'm not here to be a referee, but I get your point.

I see no problem with anyone increasing system reqs for their software, so long as the backwards compatibility is "reasonable" eg, maybe a 4-6 year old machine should be still in the game. I think demanding current development for Pentium3, or for that matter G3, falls a little outside what I'd consider reasonable expectation. I'm pretty happy having OS9 on my G3. (I had it running Jaguar, but, uh, I kinda like OS9.) My G4 is just outside of Leopard's spectrum, and that's fine, it's almost six yrs old anyway. Time to sell the G3, put OS9 on the G4. Sweet.

On top of that, software is free to fly when it finally throws off its legacy chains. It's about time they moved MS DOS and its varied descendants into virtualization. Yep. Winux 2012, baby. The Woot edition.

And I'll be on this forum going, dude, Winux 2012 is where Leopard was 5 years ago, man! MS is light years behind Liger. Liger is pretty much my Favourite OS.

BTH I've read this whole thread, and whilst I can't believe Evangelion could be bothered to argue back with all the ignorant fanboys for so many posts, he has been reasonable about arguing his points. But he is never going to WIN the fight in a forum like this. I must admit I think he actually has won most of his arguments. This whole site./forum is being spoilt by two types of people. MSFanboys who occasionally come here to troll and I don;t believe Evangelion is one of them, and ignorant a$$ macboys who have only been on board since like 10.3! Whilst I welcome people who invest in Apple, they are VERY FAR FROM PERFECT> I have 12 macs in my household, and each as an issue. I like them, but they are only tools! I prefer Macs, but I also remember feeling mugged back in the day when everything Mac cost like twice what it did on a PC. Frankly both Mac and PC users are using age old arguments to fanboy each side. Today, there is little difference between the two it is more a matter to taste and personal choice. I make money running huge MS projects so I prosper from M$'s position in the market and it lets me choose Apple at home over PC, in the same way I choose BMW's M3 over Audi's RS4 to put on the drive. Both are good at what they do, they just go about doing it in a different way.

I applaud MS if they have something innovative in windows 7. They have lead the way in many areas with Windows NT and Windows 2000. I also applaud Apple for what they have done with Touch and and OSX. But, just remember these are only computers. If you have hours to spend trolling and fanboying, then please question your priority of time usage. You will never beat/win/whatever over the competition in a forum, since wasters always have time so waste. So rather than argue, go use the time for something useful.

 

[macinfojunkie]

I have to admit. I like the 2003 iPod better.

twice the price, half the screen, half the capacity, mono screen and no video. Sure, the zine is shi* there!

Get real. the early ipods were only marginallay better than the incredibly crap competition. If you look back just 4 years they look like absolute antiques. It Itunes store did not exist, they i'd have taken the zune at that time. Only snag is it did not work with MacOS!

 

[Cooknn]

I am shocked and amazed at the number of fanboys here who just throw their money at Apple. I love their products too! But where's the self-restraint?

I'll show you self-restraint. I held an iPhone in my hand the day they launched and walked away. I dig my BlackBerry, but like everyone with an iPhone, I can't wait for the next OS upgrade and the next model to support 3G

 

[macinfojunkie]

Ahh yes, the TCO mantra. TCO is a means and not a goal. So Apple is more cost effective (‘cheaper’ is such a nasty word, don’t you think) than Windows. Because you seem so knowledgeable could you please do the calculation for me?

120 Windows XP SP2 workstations, all generic Dells. Standardised image containing a client for use with a core system that consist of two Mimix mirrored IBM iSeries i520 midframes. MS Office 2003, Citrix client, Adobe Reader and Lotus Notes client. Take PC from box, plug into network and start RIS. RIS is followed by unattended app installation. PC is up and running within 20 minutes. No user files are saved locally. Policies cater for what a user may or may not do. AD caters for the rest. Back-office consist of three HP servers running VMware ESX 3.x. All Windows servers (10) are thus virtual and that ESX cluster provides us with load balancing on server level and non-stop redundancy. Network storage is by two mirrored EqualLogic boxes.

We run a 24/7 business where time is money. I know what a PC including all programs and service (do we need service?) and personnel costs on a yearly basis. We use a particular flavour of Windows and the office suite for at least 4 years. I even know what it cost to build the images.

So, do the math and gimme above setup in Apple terms of $$$$ You may even use the Mac Mini! And most important: explain the added value of using 120 Macs in such an environment. And one more thing, because of our highly standardised and straightforward IT landscape we can do with very few staff.

Unix? Meh...

TCO is all hogwash, OS, software costs and hardare are relatively imaterial. Especially the larger you take the estate. The biggest cost i staff/labour. If you live/work in an areas with lots of "cheap" windows skills, then MS will win. If you have lots of McSkills around, then mac become more worthwhile. But sadly macs are not capable of simply suplanting PCs in most corporates where TCO is a concern. The issue is not technical, but one of entrenchment and ecosystem capability. Fact is there are not enough apple mac skills to go around. If I made the desicion to change the IT estate I manage to macs. It would impact the ENTIRE Apple Mac ecosystem on a global level. I have that many PCs to worry about! Apple technical consultancy is just not up to screatch there are not enough seriously skilled people available to supprot large cprporations to change. I love macs and use them at home. i rarely have issues. But the sad fact is that when I do, EVERY time I call Apple suppot, the person at the end fo the phone is unable to help. When I have to call Microsfot, they ALWAYS solve our problems. Their product might not be that good, but they employ much better support staff at 3rd level!

 

[MikeTheC]

Hopefully this'll bring up some friendly competition between MS & Apple to make better products.

Oh yeah, like Apple needs an incentive to do that.

This thread is kind of crazy, and what amazes me is the supposed equal status so many people here try to ascribe to both Apple and Microsoft. If you honestly believe that kind of drivel, you haven't been around in the computer world long enough, or you haven't been paying attention.

The comment about "What about all the good things Hitler did?" vis a vis "What about all the good things Microsoft did" almost had me fall out of my chair laughing. Keep it up, sir. That was simply brilliant.

And as for the "options backdating scandal" vs. "Bill giving away his money to charity", well...

In the first place, Steve gave back all of his stuff before the events had even become known, let alone a scandal. In the second place, Bill's "billions" are little more than extorted blood money he's not really even giving back, since most of it is percentages, and the rest is just good sound bites for him to help mitigate his guilt in the court of public opinion, and to show him as "redeemed" when history books not yet written talk about what he has brought about on this Earth.

 

[Quillz]

Oh yeah, like Apple needs an incentive to do that.

This thread is kind of crazy, and what amazes me is the supposed equal status so many people here try to ascribe to both Apple and Microsoft. If you honestly believe that kind of drivel, you haven't been around in the computer world long enough, or you haven't been paying attention.

The comment about "What about all the good things Hitler did?" vis a vis "What about all the good things Microsoft did" almost had me fall out of my chair laughing. Keep it up, sir. That was simply brilliant.

And as for the "options backdating scandal" vs. "Bill giving away his money to charity", well...

In the first place, Steve gave back all of his stuff before the events had even become known, let alone a scandal. In the second place, Bill's "billions" are little more than extorted blood money he's not really even giving back, since most of it is percentages, and the rest is just good sound bites for him to help mitigate his guilt in the court of public opinion, and to show him as "redeemed" when history books not yet written talk about what he has brought about on this Earth.

Despite how Gates got the money, he's still giving it away. I don't see Jobs giving away the billions that he has. And of course he doesn't have to, but there's a reason many people see Jobs as arrogant.

 

[AidenShaw]

Once I saw it as a temple in front of a sunset, I found it less disturbing...

I can't get there, all I see is the penis.

 

[Evangelion]

Eh, I'm not here to be a referee, but I get your point.

I see no problem with anyone increasing system reqs for their software, so long as the backwards compatibility is "reasonable" eg, maybe a 4-6 year old machine should be still in the game.

You CAN run Vista on those machines. And FWIW, Leopards system-regs mean that you can't install it on a iBook that was discontinued 3.5 years ago.

The main hurdle that might come in to way when installing Vista on older hardware is the videocard. And the good thing is that on desktop-PC's, the videocard is usually replaceable.

So you might lose some eyecandy on older hardware, but that's about it. Hell, back when I still used Mac Mini as my primary machine, it too was missing some eyecandy that was present in better specced machines!

In the end, the minimium-requirements of Vista are these:

* 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
* 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
* Support for Super VGA graphics
* CD-ROM drive

Sure, it would run slowly on that hardware. But it would work.

 

[Evangelion]

when microsoft increased the system requirements, it made even 1-2yr old systems obsolete to some extent.

um, no. What might have happened is that some older machines would not get all the eyecandy, due to them not having DX9-specced vidcard. But how is that different when it comes to Macs? My Mac Mini did not support Core Image, so I missed some of the eyecandy in Tiger.

when apple increased the system requirements, it made 7-8 yr old systems obsolete for upgrade, i have a first gen mbp which is a year n half old, and it runs even faster with leopard than it used to with tiger. how many pc owners can say the same about their vista upgrades on even a year old pc?

You are just underlining my point here. OS X runs faster with each new release. Windows usually runs slower. So, if OS X keeps on getting faster and faster, why does Apple increase it's system-requirements? According to you (and me, and just about everyone else) each new version of OS X is faster than it's predecessor. So Apple does NOT need to increase system-specs! Yet they do. Why? Well, I was already provided with an answer: So Apple could sell more hardware.

And let's not forget that some of the system-regs in OS X are totally arbitary. Like the need to have FireWire.

 

[Cleverboy]

Once I saw it as a temple in front of a sunset, I found it less disturbing...

Meh. Just putting it out there. I find "unsettling" to be a much milder word than "disturbing", which I wouldn't use. Not really newsworthy, if anyone else doesn't find it unsettling though. I also find it amusing for the same reason, and as an artist I look at things with a certain eye. I may simply be coo-coo though, who can say? As a fan of visual innuendo, when I read someone waxing on about ******* and balls, I tend to see things.

~ CB

 

[jragosta]

Well NOW they are. But in 10 years of OS X development, Windows was able to catch up in one severely delayed iteration. What will happen when MS has their s**t together and is determined to release another ~2.5 years?

Because 25 years of history says that every MS product is inferior to the product that they've copied? And because of MS' long history of being very, very late on every major OS release (Win95, Vista)?

 

[diamond.g]

Because 25 years of history says that every MS product is inferior to the product that they've copied? And because of MS' long history of being very, very late on every major OS release (Win95, Vista)?

The Xbox and the 360 aren't inferior (or are they ).

 

[alansky]

Advanced touch features... such as grabbing Vista by the throat and ripping it out of your PC with your bare hands!!!

 

[surferfromuk]

all the ignorant fanboys

Hey!! What's wrong with being a fanboy?

My car is awesome, my mac is awesome, my ipod touch is awesome, my dogs are awesome, my wife is awesome etc etc...I could go on...

Now whilst I realise there is absolutely nothing to get excited about with Vista or Zune, and come to think about it have never met anyone remotely passionate about a windows O/S, I really don't see why that should give you cause to 'bum out our party' with your apathetic downer 'it's just an o/s' loser vibes...

why in hell can't we rejoice when we find something fantastic...

Mac's are great - Vistas seriously below average - these are indisputable facts - and I say let's celebrate!!!

 

[evillageprowler]

Omg!

I can't believe I just read the entire thread... That's way too many hours of my life that I'll never get back.

That being said, I have some observations:

1) The original comment made by that MS employee is pretty silly; why would he brag about a future PC's features being superior to a current (6-mos old) handheld device?
2) This forum has its share of Apple fanboys who think it's a cardinal sin to suggest that Apple, its products, its people and its policies aren't the epitome of Nirvana.
3) MS really have been on a bad run lately; there are many easy reasons to slam them, but I find too many of the slams are based more on partisanship and ignorance than clear-headed, educated analysis.
4) Apple have been on a good run lately; it's very easy to mistake the true aficionados from the bandwagoneers. This is similar to the latest generation of NYY fans who knows nothing about the wonderful history of the franchise but just loves to support a winner and trashtalk others.
5) I'm an idiot for reading such a mind-numbing thread (but I'll likely continue anyway).
6) Even if this thread (and the posters) were to elevate itself, it'll still be tough for this thread to become educational because there are too many posters and everything is too disjoint and it'll always feel like a cabal.

EVP

 

[GoodWatch]

Hey!! What's wrong with being a fanboy?

Right or wrong is a bit too black and white but fanboyism (a non existent word) becomes a bit silly the moment those ‘fanboys’ or -girls lose every sense of reality. Blind worship and intolerant to even the mildest form of critique is the result. It seems that there is an ongoing competition running to see who can kneel deepest at the Holy Shrine of Apple. Even if Apple would double their prices it will be explained away and those who dare to disagree will be scorned. It becomes more than silly if I see that people actually bend over backward to proclaim their Apple loyalty before uttering something of a comment on Apple products or even the littlest praise for Microsoft products. Do you find this a healthy situation? I don’t.

This IS a Mac forum of course but sometimes I think this is a congregation. The second coming.

 

[Quillz]

Mac's are great - Vistas seriously below average - these are indisputable facts - and I say let's celebrate!!!

No.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Right or wrong is a bit too black and white but fanboyism (a non existent word) becomes a bit silly the moment those ‘fanboys’ or -girls lose every sense of reality. Blind worship and intolerant to even the mildest form of critique is the result. It seems that there is an ongoing competition running to see who can kneel deepest at the Holy Shrine of Apple. Even if Apple would double their prices it will be explained away and those who dare to disagree will be scorned. It becomes more than silly if I see that people actually bend over backward to proclaim their Apple loyalty before uttering something of a comment on Apple products or even the littlest praise for Microsoft products. Do you find this a healthy situation? I don’t.

This IS a Mac forum of course but sometimes I think this is a congregation. The second coming.

HALLELUYAH BROTHER AND AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

I totlally agree. I was a fanboy once I stood back and heard myself speak and said to myself, "DEAR LORFD! Do I really sound that ignorant and biased?" So i took a look at myself, my views, and my Apple machines and realized that they are great, but they aren't that great.

There are plenty of PCs that I wouldn't mind owning, but can't since they don't run Mac OS X, and there is no version of that certain hardware in the Mac world, so I am stuck.

If I were a Windows user, I would be able to grab any machine in the world, even a Mac, and run my apps just fine. This is more of a great day to be a Window/Linux user, since they can get any machine they want... us poor Macintosh slobs can only run what Apple gives us.

 

[mcarnes]

Even if Apple would double their prices it will be explained away and those who dare to disagree will be scorned...

Man I wish Apple would double their prices. Then all you peter pans would have to go back to playing games on the PC your momma bought you.