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*shrugs* This was to be expected what with the Tablet PC and all. MS is MUCH farther along with a touch interface then Apple. They have been working on this with the intent of integrating it into the Tablet PC features for years.

bingo. Touch inputs didnt begin with the iphone
 
Ahh yes, the TCO mantra. TCO is a means and not a goal. So Apple is more cost effective (‘cheaper’ is such a nasty word, don’t you think) than Windows. Because you seem so knowledgeable could you please do the calculation for me?

120 Windows XP SP2 workstations, all generic Dells. Standardised image containing a client for use with a core system that consist of two Mimix mirrored IBM iSeries i520 midframes. MS Office 2003, Citrix client, Adobe Reader and Lotus Notes client. Take PC from box, plug into network and start RIS. RIS is followed by unattended app installation. PC is up and running within 20 minutes. No user files are saved locally. Policies cater for what a user may or may not do. AD caters for the rest. Back-office consist of three HP servers running VMware ESX 3.x. All Windows servers (10) are thus virtual and that ESX cluster provides us with load balancing on server level and non-stop redundancy. Network storage is by two mirrored EqualLogic boxes.

We run a 24/7 business where time is money. I know what a PC including all programs and service (do we need service?) and personnel costs on a yearly basis. We use a particular flavour of Windows and the office suite for at least 4 years. I even know what it cost to build the images.

So, do the math and gimme above setup in Apple terms of $$$$ You may even use the Mac Mini! And most important: explain the added value of using 120 Macs in such an environment. And one more thing, because of our highly standardised and straightforward IT landscape we can do with very few staff.

Unix? Meh...

Without reading the whole conversation I do wanta make one comment. I personally love macs... but I do think that macs are 'generally' geared towards the home consumer. thats where macs to their best. I hate it when people think that in order for a product to be 'good' it must be the best product for every job, in every situation. Apple (in my opinon) likes to direct its focus to highly focused markets... makeing an excellent product for a select group of people.

In other words macs are great but it doesn't mean that mac are great at everything.
 
Without reading the whole conversation I do wanta make one comment. I personally love macs... but I do think that macs are 'generally' geared towards the home consumer. thats where macs to their best. I hate it when people think that in order for a product to be 'good' it must be the best product for every job, in every situation. Apple (in my opinon) likes to direct its focus to highly focused markets... makeing an excellent product for a select group of people.

In other words macs are great but it doesn't mean that mac are great at everything.

Thank you for chiming in but the question was directed towards Virgil. (Who is still busy with Google to get a clue about what an iSeries is :)).
 
I didn't think there were any games native to OS X that would even benefit from SLI. (I mean no one here uses AA or AF or even high resolutions so what is the point? :rolleyes:)

So that we can eventually benefit from the games that could run SLI and Crossfire, or benefit from the future developments of the tech. I do agree with you, but just because we don't benefit from tech now, doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't put it in their machines.

OR, Apple could update the pro apps to benefit from both SLI and Crossfire.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

You also have a very good point about Apple. Though Apple is good about promoting *some* open source projects, they are very restrictive, and every single one one of their products depends on staying exclusively inside the "Apple Box." iTunes - iPod / AppleTV. iPhone - at&t. OS X - Macs. Steve Jobs - black turtlenecks. You just can't get out of the system!!!

And no, I'm not trying to start a "OS X for PC" war. It would kill Apple, I know, I know. Let's just not go there.

-Clive

I agree about the OS X for PC thing, (though the added benefit of hardware for running Mac OS X would be great) and as stated by you, I and others the progress of Microsoft would be great for the progress of Apple. Look at how far we've come since the 90's.

Honestly, I would love to see MS Touch in a Windows Mobile smartphone that ran on the plethora of devices that already run Windows Mobile. Giving us more options besides the iPhone and forcing Apple to expand their service provider options and features of the iPhone.
 
If only...

Comparing what a company plans to do in three years with something that happened six months ago is pretty odd. Currently, Microsoft has released an operating system so poor that people actually are reverting back to XP. In the meantime, Apple has released products with the best existing touch screen interface by a significant margin. No wonder Microsoft wants to look to the future.

Unfortunately, Microsoft's actual products have not met their predictions in quite some time. I have no idea what's going on over there, because I know there are some brilliant people at the company.

In the meantime, of course, Apple is quietly accumulating new patents on various touch-screen mechanisms.
 
Windows 7...premature

Maybe they should fix Vista first...it seems like they spent too much money on promotion and marketing to even think about diverting resources to anything else.

Windows OS VII has a nice ring to it...where have I seen something like that before...
 
I thought this was a "Mac Rumors" website. This is just Microsoft spouting more vaporware.

The only reason i like seeing MS rumors on this site is so I can laugh at everyone ripping on them.

MS: "We will blow you away with something in the future with something that's possibly even better but basically the same as what you have now, in the present, from Apple. Maybe."
 
I'd totally buy a G4 powerbook. I'd be really happy with a G4 powerbook. More than adequate to handle my video editing. In fact, the plan is to buy one in January after I finish paying the xmas bills. My G4 Powermac is still going strong too. My G3 Powerbook is starting to get a little flaky though.
ok? Congrats man I'm happy for you. I'm thinking of buying buying a new external HD next year, I just wanted to let you know because it's so pertinent.

Nice feature I guess, but kind of a yawner for me. I have nothing against XP SP2, it's reasonably stable, but I wouldn't make it my first choice. The best thing about any of the Macs I've owned is that they run OSX. But everyone is entitled to use the OS that best suits their needs without judgment. Go on, call me a Fanboy if you must, it helps me establish what level of maturity I'm dealing with.
In your last post I feel like you were fighting pretty hard about Microsoft and telling me to go to a windows forum where I belong?? Now you have nothing against it. I feel like I should have clarified in my last post, by saying "the best part about my mac aside from doing what a mac does, is the fact that it runs Windows." And if you look back at my post, not one time did I call you a fanboy so don't make things up. And honestly the way you flip and flop with your weak arguments, we all know not only the level of your maturity but your education as well.

So please, understand that I love Apple, but as a fellow member of this forum wrote earlier, Apple is not perfect and Microsoft is not the devil. You're welcome.
 
I'm with you on this one. I've been a Mac user since the very beginning. However, I realize that Apple isn't perfect... and that Microsoft isn't Satan.

I am shocked and amazed at the number of fanboys here who just throw their money at Apple. I love their products too! But where's the self-restraint?

-Clive

Amen Clive....Amen,

I mean it's crazy reading some of these posts and people bashing Windows on things they do and praising Apple when they do the same. Rule #27 = Be consistent.
 
So that we can eventually benefit from the games that could run SLI and Crossfire, or benefit from the future developments of the tech. I do agree with you, but just because we don't benefit from tech now, doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't put it in their machines.

OR, Apple could update the pro apps to benefit from both SLI and Crossfire.

From what I have noticed, Apple's Pro apps are mostly CPU dependent. Unless there were a mass of code that the GPU's would run noticeably faster it wouldn't be worth the manpower/time.

Honestly SLI would be cool. It would have to be available in a machine that was less than $2500 (read xMac). I don't know why they don't offer SLI in the iMac, I would accept a thicker unit if I knew it was packing 8700/8800M GT SLI.
 
You mean "pen/stylus" based input...

bingo. Touch inputs didnt begin with the iphone

No one said they did. Touch (fingers) is different from stylus input. And all Tablet PC sales in the world probably total less than 100,000 per year regardless of OS, out of 250 million computers sold per year--about 0.015%. So whatever experience you and SiliconAddict claim Microsoft has certainly hasn't been used very much.
 
From what I have noticed, Apple's Pro apps are mostly CPU dependent. Unless there were a mass of code that the GPU's would run noticeably faster it wouldn't be worth the manpower/time.

Honestly SLI would be cool. It would have to be available in a machine that was less than $2500 (read xMac). I don't know why they don't offer SLI in the iMac, I would accept a thicker unit if I knew it was packing 8700/8800M GT SLI.

I wouldn't mind seeing a slightly thicker Pro laptop if they could stuff that in there too, along with dual HDDs as well.
 
Honestly SLI would be cool. It would have to be available in a machine that was less than $2500 (read xMac). I don't know why they don't offer SLI in the iMac, I would accept a thicker unit if I knew it was packing 8700/8800M GT SLI.

Right on, right on, right on!

The iMac is officially too thin when it hampers the unit's upgradeability... but that's another story.

Oh, I've gone on many-a xMac rantings... when will Apple get the hint?

I don't even care if it's over $1500, I just want a computer I can CUSTOMIZE FOR WHAT I NEED! Get it? APPLE!

*scolds Jobs*

-Clive
 
Yeah, What we have right now is - uhhhh - we have to admit, a notch off utter brilliance --- yehhhh ---- but just wait until 2010 (or 11, or 12), and, yeh, what we'll have then will just blow you away. The iPhone, which will have stood still for several years, won't be able to compete with our --- uh - tricorders and ---- uhhhh --- intergrated warp drive. Yeah. That's it.
 
None of you ******* can appreciate a good war. "But they are both good, can't we all just get along and love one another". Pfft. Take your balls out of the freezer and pick a side.
 
None of you ******* can appreciate a good war. "But they are both good, can't we all just get along and love one another". Pfft. Take your balls out of the freezer and pick a side.

Now, see, this sort of behavior is nice for those who like a nice, heated debate... but it DOES have its drawbacks as those who are poor communicators may get flamed...

I'd say this "war" idea is a draw. ;)

-Clive
 
I doubt this. Longhorn was simply overly ambitious. They tried to pack too many features into too tight a deadline. As long as Windows 7 functions more as an evolutionary release than a revolutionary release, I see no reason for it be subjected to any major delays. Maybe a few months, like Leopard, but not much more than that.

And Vista was revolutionary?
Sure glad they got rid of that god-awful registry.... oh wait.
 
Uh... so now when Windows users touch their PeeCee's they can physically receive viruses and will have to go to the doctor's office?
 
No one said they did. Touch (fingers) is different from stylus input. And all Tablet PC sales in the world probably total less than 100,000 per year regardless of OS, out of 250 million computers sold per year--about 0.015%. So whatever experience you and SiliconAddict claim Microsoft has certainly hasn't been used very much.

Your forgetting, although it's not surprising, about the UMPCs. They had touch input before the iPhone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Origamitpi.jpg
 
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