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It probably uses two different bands at the same time - one on 3G/CDMA and one on 4G.

Off topic to the thread, but in regard to CDMA devices not being able to do voice and data simultaneously, why can't a possible solution to that be to incorporate two different CDMA radios into a device? One for voice, and the other for data? Is this something that is outside the possibilities of current tech? I understand that this would add cost to the manufacturing of a device, so I wouldn't think that it'd be viable for cheaper, non smart phones. But for the high-end smart phones couldn't this be a viable option?
 
Man you just love to hate.

No glitches here whatsoever.

How long have you been a user for and what do you use everyday on your N1. As you can see I'm just trying to gather as much as I can about this before I step into it and wish I had my 3GS back. Did you switch from a 3GS also thanks.
 
I am in LOVE in the Nexus One. MOST of the apps that I used on my iPhone are in the Android Market. One particular app is KNOCKING LIVE! Yes, you can knock people on the iPhone using the Nexus One! That was a MUST HAVE app for me with my iPhone. I am impressed!

As of now, there's a few things I don't like:

1) The music player doesn't compare to the iPod (But, I mean, what phone music player can?)
2) No silent/vibrate switch on the side of the phone

That's all for now.
 
Off topic to the thread, but in regard to CDMA devices not being able to do voice and data simultaneously, why can't a possible solution to that be to incorporate two different CDMA radios into a device? One for voice, and the other for data? Is this something that is outside the possibilities of current tech? I understand that this would add cost to the manufacturing of a device, so I wouldn't think that it'd be viable for cheaper, non smart phones. But for the high-end smart phones couldn't this be a viable option?

You would need to run simulatanious stacks for telephony. I'm sure it's possible but it would take some serious CPU development.
 
You would need to run simulatanious stacks for telephony. I'm sure it's possible but it would take some serious CPU development.

Ok, that makes sense. I wasn't sure of the technical side of what it would take to make it work, but I have wondered about it for a while now as a potential fix to the whole voice or data only thing against CDMA. But then I guess if it was really as easy of a fix as it was in my mind, someone would have already implemented it into a phone.
 
Ok, that makes sense. I wasn't sure of the technical side of what it would take to make it work, but I have wondered about it for a while now as a potential fix to the whole voice or data only thing against CDMA. But then I guess if it was really as easy of a fix as it was in my mind, someone would have already implemented it into a phone.

And yes, power would be ridiculous. If you modified the CDMA stack to use one frequency for voice and one for data depending on what was available it would work but I fear you would overload towers.
 
And yes, power would be ridiculous. If you modified the CDMA stack to use one frequency for voice and one for data depending on what was available it would work but I fear you would overload towers.

What do you mean by "power would be ridiculous"? Are you saying that the power requirement (from the battery) would be extremely high to accomplish this, thereby making battery life abysmal, without having a very high capacity battery?
 
Damn there glitchin like that? Have you tried one? I've tried one for 5 minutes from a t mobile worker it wasn't smooth as an iPhone but I also didn't get to really get into it enough go find all the glitches I just realized it wasn't so smooth.

You should read my posts in the previous pages. I had a Nexus One. It wasn't any smoother or less glitchy than when I tried the T-Mobile G1 for a month almost two years ago.

Android defines "clunky".

Man you just love to hate.

No glitches here whatsoever.

Slow scrolling, email app crashing every time i try to load an attached image, etc.

thing sucks, man.
 
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Thankfully I've not experienced the same clunky, crash prone problems that The General has experienced.

What kind of image was you trying to open that made the email application crash? (PNG, GIF, jpg, tiff)

If you can let me know I'll try the same and do a video and whack it up onto YouTube showing the crashing issues.
 
If the Nexus One were not glitchy, it would clearly be a better phone than the current iphone. In fact, the integration with google services was so incredible for me, that, that in and of itself might be enough for me to go with the google phone over even a future iphone. Like most iphone users, when I see a company stifling competition in it's ecosystem (apple banning google voice) in ways that go beyond "quality of the overall experience", it really turns me off.

However, as of right now, I have to "settle" for the iphone 3GS. I simply cannot use such a glitchy device as my primary method of communication with my friends, family, and colleagues.
 
How long have you been a user for and what do you use everyday on your N1. As you can see I'm just trying to gather as much as I can about this before I step into it and wish I had my 3GS back. Did you switch from a 3GS also thanks.

I had a iPhone 3G, an iPod Touch and a G1.

The G1 sucked, because it was woefully underpowered.

I liked the iPhone 3G for about the first 6 months I had it but then felt myself wanting more.

I seriously love my Nexus One.

Apps I use everyday:

Browser: Stock and Opera Mini (mini is hella fast but no multi touch)
Gmail (synced to 3 different accounts, it works perfect)
Speech to text works pretty darn good
Google voice
Handcent SMS
Camera
Shopper
Goggles
Twidroid
Facebook
Huffington Post
Ieem and Pandora are great for music
and finally the camera is the best phone camera ive used so far.
 
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Thankfully I've not experienced the same clunky, crash prone problems that The General has experienced.

What kind of image was you trying to open that made the email application crash? (PNG, GIF, jpg, tiff)

If you can let me know I'll try the same and do a video and whack it up onto YouTube showing the crashing issues.

loading a jpeg successfully in the mail app doesnt make the rest of the experience not clunky, ugly, slow and choppy.

but go ahead and make a youtube video opening a jpeg in the mail app.
 
loading a jpeg successfully in the mail app doesnt make the rest of the experience not clunky, ugly, slow and choppy.

but go ahead and make a youtube video opening a jpeg in the mail app.

Hmmm just tried this out of curiosity.

Works perfect with photos of any size that are on the sd card, however it does crash when trying to attach a photo from my linked blogger account. So from what I can tell it has to do with photos that are not physically on the phone.

clunky, ugly slow and choppy? Its obvious you're bating here.
 
loading a jpeg successfully in the mail app doesnt make the rest of the experience not clunky, ugly, slow and choppy.

But you said:
"Slow scrolling, email app crashing every time i try to load an attached image, etc."

Was this untrue? Did it not happen "every time" or did it? :confused:
 
Hmmm just tried this out of curiosity.

Works perfect with photos of any size that are on the sd card, however it does crash when trying to attach a photo from my linked blogger account. So from what I can tell it has to do with photos that are not physically on the phone.

good, it wasn't just my phone, then. its devastating when my supposedly awesome phone fails to load images that my friends email me.

clunky, ugly slow and choppy? Its obvious you're bating here.

just scrolling through pages on the home screen will show you how its clunky, slow and choppy. the scrolling happens at about 10 frames per second compared to the 20 or 30 on the iphone. the background and the icons dont move in sync. i understand that the background moves less than the icons, but the icons and background are definitely not attached in any way. the perspective is screwed when the icons start to move before the background.

if you give me some crap of this being intentional, you're wrong. i understand how the home screen and background scrolling is supposed to work, but the delivery is broken and clunky.

without rubber banding at the end of a scrolling view, it's hard to tell if the scrolling just stopped because of some touch screen interference or if you're at the end of the scrolling content. i constantly find myself attempting to scroll again to make sure im at the end of the content, which is a waste of time and irritating. it should have rubber banding, bottom line.

there's no way to rearrange the icons on a single home screen if said home screen is full. you have to move one icon off of the page, play a tile puzzle game with them and then move it back on.

this is the kind of stuff that is a deal breaker to me already, not even getting into the fact that every single app in the android market is a freakin joke.

But you said:
"Slow scrolling, email app crashing every time i try to load an attached image, etc."

Was this untrue? Did it not happen "every time" or did it? :confused:

it happened to me every time. every single time i tried to load an image that was attached to an email in my inbox, the mail client would crash. i didnt once successfully view an image from an email.

and if you'll read the post above yours, you'll see that it's not just me.
 
good, it wasn't just my phone, then. its devastating when my supposedly awesome phone fails to load images that my friends email me.
I believe that R.Perez was talking about trying to attach an image from online sources in the Gallery app (Picasa Web Albums, Google buzz, Dropbox e.t.c) and not pictures he was emailed. UPDATE: I just successfully attached and sent a picture which was stored on Picasa web albums and sent it in an email. Very odd.

just scrolling through pages on the home screen will show you how its clunky, slow and choppy. the scrolling happens at about 10 frames per second compared to the 20 or 30 on the iphone. the background and the icons dont move in sync. i understand that the background moves less than the icons, but the icons and background are definitely not attached in any way. the perspective is screwed when the icons start to move before the background.
I do admit that scrolling between screens could be smoother but it doesn't kill the deivce for me. As for the parallax scrolling, I can't say that it puts me off in any way.

without rubber banding at the end of a scrolling view, it's hard to tell if the scrolling just stopped because of some touch screen interference or if you're at the end of the scrolling content. i constantly find myself attempting to scroll again to make sure im at the end of the content, which is a waste of time and irritating. it should have rubber banding, bottom line.
Wasn't the scroll line markers that appear on the side of the screen enough of a clue where you were on the screen? The main app screen does feature rubber banding and both the contacts and menu items have an edge marker which moves as you scroll to indicate where you were on the screen. Pictures below.
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there's no way to rearrange the icons on a single home screen if said home screen is full. you have to move one icon off of the page, play a tile puzzle game with them and then move it back on.
It's starting to sound like you got the Nexus One but expected an iPhone. If rearranging icons is a big issue to you then I can imagine it is annoying. If the people behind Android did start to implement a lot of your complaints, then we'd have nothing more than an iPhone clone.

this is the kind of stuff that is a deal breaker to me already, not even getting into the fact that every single app in the android market is a freakin joke.
Yep, all 30,000 of them are a joke....... :p


it happened to me every time. every single time i tried to load an image that was attached to an email in my inbox, the mail client would crash. i didnt once successfully view an image from an email.

and if you'll read the post above yours, you'll see that it's not just me.
It could have been as R.Perez is speaking about a different issue. ;)
 
I believe that R.Perez was talking about trying to attach an image from online sources in the Gallery app (Picasa Web Albums, Google buzz, Dropbox e.t.c) and not pictures he was emailed. UPDATE: I just successfully attached and sent a picture which was stored on Picasa web albums and sent it in an email. Very odd.


It could have been as R.Perez is speaking about a different issue. ;)

Just fixed the problem.

Using Google <3

Apparently the gallery program attempts to download the photo to your sd card so it can then be attached to the email. The program looks for a folder named download on the sd card to save the picture to. If it does not find the folder it crashes. I fixed this by mounting the phone and creating a folder myself named download.

Attaching photos via the gallery works perfect now!
 
Anyone could've predicted a thread like this would result in an argument between Apple fanboys reluctant for change, believing the iPhone is the be all and end all device.

Anyway, my two cent.

I've had every iPhone since release, extremely happy with all of them - although found it amusing a lot of people were getting excited about simple features like MMS which I could do on my Nokia 3410 - Apple took too long to implement the simple things but thats irrelevant because they delivered a next generation phone.

Despite this, I found myself with the need to jailbreak the device to achieve simple tasks which I would like to do on MY phone but needless to say Apple had restricted. This turned it into a device which was absolutely brilliant; but it's the principle of the issue - why should I have to modify my device to do what I want to do?

My problem was there was no alternative, nothing could match the iPhone - until the Nexus One. Android looks promising and the Nexus was the first device, in my opinion, which really could challenge the iPhone so I thought 'why not'.

It took some getting used to granted, but the dealbreaker for me was the fact I can do everything I want to do without modifying the device and, as such, haven't looked back since. The main issue with the device is not the handset itself, but the marketing behind it. Who in their right mind would buy a handset they couldn't play with? Ok, so I did and so did many others, but to a lot of people that is a scary thought, not to mention Google's lack of experience in the mobile market.

It was inevitable that the Nexus would get compared to the iPhone but it can't, they're different devices for different customers with different needs. If you are happy with what your iPhone can do, keep it. But if you find the need to jailbreak it or are on the bus, in school, or laying in bed thinking, AAAAAHHHHH why can't I do that?!?! Then try the Nexus.

The reason why Nexus has gotten a bad name is a few people have problems and post for answers. Potential buyers look at these and evaluate having those potential problems. Forums are full of people having issues. BUT, who comes on a support Forum and simply says "Yep, all working great here, thanks Google". Hence why there are hundreds of horror stories.

I have not had one issue with my Nexus after having it 4 months. It is brilliant and the potential Google has is unprecedented. It will take off, just give it time. I say I haven't had an issue, I had a tiny issue where the power button kept thinking it was held in, phoned up HTC who were brilliant with their support, arranged for collection, but woke up the next morning and all was fixed.

It's Google's child, give it a chance and let Google learn from the feedback, a few updates will come out and then it may be the iPhone may not be considered the be all and end all anymore. My main point is though, just bear in mind, people don't always post on Support forums how everything is going ok.

If anyone has any questions about the Nexus or Android, would like any advice on the experience, or even screenshots if they are thinking of getting a Nexus, let me know and I'll try and help you out.
 
Just fixed the problem.

Using Google <3

Apparently the gallery program attempts to download the photo to your sd card so it can then be attached to the email. The program looks for a folder named download on the sd card to save the picture to. If it does not find the folder it crashes. I fixed this by mounting the phone and creating a folder myself named download.

Attaching photos via the gallery works perfect now!

Good stuff! :D
 
What do you mean by "power would be ridiculous"? Are you saying that the power requirement (from the battery) would be extremely high to accomplish this, thereby making battery life abysmal, without having a very high capacity battery?

Exactly what I meant. It would be a brick.
 
Anyone could've predicted a thread like this would result in an argument between Apple fanboys reluctant for change, believing the iPhone is the be all and end all device.

Anyway, my two cent.

I've had every iPhone since release, extremely happy with all of them - although found it amusing a lot of people were getting excited about simple features like MMS which I could do on my Nokia 3410 - Apple took too long to implement the simple things but thats irrelevant because they delivered a next generation phone.

Despite this, I found myself with the need to jailbreak the device to achieve simple tasks which I would like to do on MY phone but needless to say Apple had restricted. This turned it into a device which was absolutely brilliant; but it's the principle of the issue - why should I have to modify my device to do what I want to do?

My problem was there was no alternative, nothing could match the iPhone - until the Nexus One. Android looks promising and the Nexus was the first device, in my opinion, which really could challenge the iPhone so I thought 'why not'.

It took some getting used to granted, but the dealbreaker for me was the fact I can do everything I want to do without modifying the device and, as such, haven't looked back since. The main issue with the device is not the handset itself, but the marketing behind it. Who in their right mind would buy a handset they couldn't play with? Ok, so I did and so did many others, but to a lot of people that is a scary thought, not to mention Google's lack of experience in the mobile market.

It was inevitable that the Nexus would get compared to the iPhone but it can't, they're different devices for different customers with different needs. If you are happy with what your iPhone can do, keep it. But if you find the need to jailbreak it or are on the bus, in school, or laying in bed thinking, AAAAAHHHHH why can't I do that?!?! Then try the Nexus.

The reason why Nexus has gotten a bad name is a few people have problems and post for answers. Potential buyers look at these and evaluate having those potential problems. Forums are full of people having issues. BUT, who comes on a support Forum and simply says "Yep, all working great here, thanks Google". Hence why there are hundreds of horror stories.

I have not had one issue with my Nexus after having it 4 months. It is brilliant and the potential Google has is unprecedented. It will take off, just give it time. I say I haven't had an issue, I had a tiny issue where the power button kept thinking it was held in, phoned up HTC who were brilliant with their support, arranged for collection, but woke up the next morning and all was fixed.

It's Google's child, give it a chance and let Google learn from the feedback, a few updates will come out and then it may be the iPhone may not be considered the be all and end all anymore. My main point is though, just bear in mind, people don't always post on Support forums how everything is going ok.

If anyone has any questions about the Nexus or Android, would like any advice on the experience, or even screenshots if they are thinking of getting a Nexus, let me know and I'll try and help you out.

Well said. Yesterday I receivied my N1 (switching from a 3GS). So far I am loving it. No issues what so ever. Probably the only important thing to know about the N1 is to know that you need to press the top of the 4 dedicated buttons. Having a dedicated "back" button is brilliant.

Oh, and one of the things I really love about the N1 is I can mount it like an external drive and drag and drop whatever I want (moves, music, etc) and I don't have to use iTunes any longer :) I'm sorry but iTunes and I never got along.
 
I Love Apple I Have An Iphone 3gs iam getting a nexus. i will use both also will be getting an iphone 4g hopefully it comes out in june or july but to say 30,000 apps is crap is not fair. Yey Apple has 150,000 + Apps but 140,000 Apps all do the same thing stocks, weather apps must be 40,000 of those,news apps must be another 30,000, tip caculators how many of those do we need. when you think of it how many apps do you use for me i have my iphone 3gs full but dont use all of them. so 30,000 is fine with me.and if theres something i cant get on the nexus ill just use my iphone.
 
Dan...Very well thought out post. It's nice to see someone put some thought into their arguement before spewing on the forum.

As soon as the Nexus-One is available on VZ I'm jumping ship back to them. I've had a great mini computer for two years that I can hardly make a call on because AT&T sucks so hard in my area.

StephenRzucidlo...Dude! What school district are you a pruduct of? Try to formulate a decent sentence so we don't have to use a decoder ring to undertand you.
 
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