figures i go and break most of the bones in my ankle before they come out with this. i'm jealous of you non-cripples.
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Flowbee said:
That'd be sweet. When it's released in Australia instead of the synthetic female voice saying "You have 30 minutes left" they have some ocker voice going "Carn you softc*ck, RUN!! Run ya mongrel!!"
Personally I can't wait for Beer+iPod, you stick the sensor to your glass and it sends signals to your iPod telling you how many you've had, how quickly you've had them, how many trips to the toilet, how many your mates have done and how you compare to them, alcohol content and it will take a blood alcohol reading when you press the centre button.
You then go home and when you wake up the next afternoon you can sync with the Beer+ site and compare your efforts to drinkers all over the world.
Saturday 3:03pm July 15th. Just wanted to note the date because I think I'm onto something here...
Chundles said:
If they put the sensor in a wrist strap, you could track how much time you spend on porn sites.
munckee said:
Yes, you manually start your workout. When you get to the park, just select the workout you want and press start. Your iPod won't have recorded your walk to the park.
Note: If you chose the "Basic" workout, there's no set time or distance. You won't get any time or mileage reminders either, unless you press the center button. It just records your time, distance, and pace. It's nice to have the option of a workout that's not structured or goal-oriented.
Early testing looks good!
If anyone's interested, I just posted the results of my accuracy tests using the Nike+iPod with non-Nike shoes. These were pretty simple tests, but I think they give a good idea of how it performs. To summarize the results: Good news for runners!
If anyone's interested, I just posted the results of my accuracy tests using the Nike+iPod with non-Nike shoes. These were pretty simple tests, but I think they give a good idea of how it performs. To summarize the results: Good news for runners!
JosiahPB said:
i've ran just over 12 miles with mine so far, and i've had good results. i've tested it on the track, and have came to the conclusion that it is about .005 off every lap, or .02 per mile off. this is after i calibrated it to my running pace (about 6:45 a mile). i have the nike+ shoes with it also
Flowbee said:
Thanks for this - I'm not quite so much interested in the non-Nike shoes aspect (as I went out and bought a pair of Nike+ shoes yesterday), but your mention of the Gmaps Pedometer measurements vs those from the iPod and the car odometer was interesting to me, as I've been using the online pedometer to mark out my own routes recently.
I ran a route this morning that I'd previously measured with the Gmaps Pedometer at just over 5km (3.17 miles) and was a little shocked to find that at around the point I expected the voice feedback to congratulate me on a completed 5km workout, it was instead telling me "300 metres to go!". Which, since 5km is about as far as I go these days, wasn't something I needed to hear
Where did the missing distance go? Well:
1) I had some issues at the start of my run. I'd set the workout to use the Now Playing track, but I had that song on pause before I put the iPod into workout mode, and when I started the workout, couldn't hear the music. Either the volume was off (there's been some discussion of this on Apple's forums), or starting the workout had not unpaused the song. So while trying to run I was also pressing buttons and scrolling the click wheel to try to get the music going. At which point I then suddenly heard two instances of the voice feedback woman screaming very loudly and unintelligibly in my ear, several seconds out of sync with each other.
Fortunately this glitch didn't recur during the run (and again, someone on Apple's forums suggested that a hard reset may prevent it happening again), but I may have lost credit for some distance during this initial period.
2) A couple of times I accidentally hit pause rather than the center button when requesting voice feedback. More distance credit lost. I need to get a little more skilled in operating the iPod on the move.
3) Even allowing for 1) and 2), clearly either the Gmaps Pedometer was overestimating my distances (as you found too), or I've been a little overgenerous in marking out my routes (i.e. when running I cut corners, but don't mark them as such when using the pedometer website)
To JosiahPB and others thinking of buying into this system, I'd heartily recommend it, despite the minor niggles I mentioned. Despite having to run further than I expected to, I still ended up with a time a minute faster than I'd run that route before, so the motivation from the voice feedback seems to work. And the features of the Nike+ website are fun, too - for example seeing this morning that I had the 174th fastest 5K time in my age/gender group... (although it does look as though Nike have some work to do in excluding obvious bad data from the system - in the leaderboard, someone had a 9 minute 5K time, which is ridiculous
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yeah i like the nikeplus website as well, even though i wish it was a little more in-depth. i really wish itunes analysed the data as well. but i think they fixed the 9 minute 5K and all the bull stats. i like that i'm 34th in distance (don't know if it's in my age group or not?)
twoodcc said:
Hmm.. the bad stats are still there if you search for the "all time" fastest, which was the only way I could find myself yesterday. Now the "Past week" data is active and looks to be fairly clean. And my time from yesterday is now up to 15th in my gender/age group! Ah, the joys of being an early adopter, I know I wouldn't get close to being so high up otherwise
Though it does make me want to go out again today to improve that time.As for whether or not your 34th place was for your age group or not, unless you used the drop-downs at the top of the leaderboard (see my attachment for example), it would've been overall, not for your age group. Filter it down some more and you might even find yourself in the top 10
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Just as a point of interest, John Lewis will apparently be the only store in the UK to sell the full Nike+iPod solution. Other UK retailers will sell either the iPod nano, (der), the kits or the trainers. We will sell the full kits with trainers and continue to offer the iPod nanos all under one roof, (in some stores audio and sports departments are right next to each other too).
As always, we will match any stores in-store prices for like-for-like products. Until the price drop, we were selling the 2GB nano for £125, not the UK rrp of £139 and we sell the iPod power adapters for the retail price of £19 not £39.99 like argos were doing up to recently.
Edit: Sorry for that sounding like an advert, just wanted to make sure Uk customers weren't getting ripped off by more mainstream retailers who often prey on customers ignorance on RRPs on products.
As always, we will match any stores in-store prices for like-for-like products. Until the price drop, we were selling the 2GB nano for £125, not the UK rrp of £139 and we sell the iPod power adapters for the retail price of £19 not £39.99 like argos were doing up to recently.
Edit: Sorry for that sounding like an advert, just wanted to make sure Uk customers weren't getting ripped off by more mainstream retailers who often prey on customers ignorance on RRPs on products.
Anyone run in New Balance?
I have a pair of new balance 706's currently. I'm not a serious runner, and have no major attachment to these shoes other than the fact that I currently own them. But I took a look at the insole today and it appears that it might be pretty tough to burrow out a spot for the sensor. Anyone had luck with this?
Otherwise I might just buy a pair of Nikes, but I'd like to know my options first.
I have a pair of new balance 706's currently. I'm not a serious runner, and have no major attachment to these shoes other than the fact that I currently own them. But I took a look at the insole today and it appears that it might be pretty tough to burrow out a spot for the sensor. Anyone had luck with this?
Otherwise I might just buy a pair of Nikes, but I'd like to know my options first.
I just tried the nike+ plus kit it I think it's great! I set the workout to be 5 miles, and I ran 2.5 miles out and back and the I ended right where I started. Truely a must if you are a runner.
What would be cool if you can set a virtual running partner so you can race with it. Set the virtual runner to run a pace and you try to keep up with or beat it.
What would be cool if you can set a virtual running partner so you can race with it. Set the virtual runner to run a pace and you try to keep up with or beat it.
shambolic said:Hmm.. the bad stats are still there if you search for the "all time" fastest, which was the only way I could find myself yesterday. Now the "Past week" data is active and looks to be fairly clean. And my time from yesterday is now up to 15th in my gender/age group! Ah, the joys of being an early adopter, I know I wouldn't get close to being so high up otherwise
As for whether or not your 34th place was for your age group or not, unless you used the drop-downs at the top of the leaderboard (see my attachment for example), it would've been overall, not for your age group. Filter it down some more and you might even find yourself in the top 10
yeah, you're right, the bad stats are still there. i was looking at the current week i guess. they need to fix that.
i was 34th overall in distance, but i'm not anymore since people have ran since i posted that. i'm somewhere in the 40's now. today i'm going to do a 12 mile run, so that should get me at least the top 20 hopefully.
just ran a 5k race this morning.
i was a little late in stopping the ipod when i crossed the finish line, but i couldn't have walked more than 20 feet past the finish line.
the ipod registered the run as 5.02 km. pretty close. definitely good enough for me.
also of note, i used the velcro technique that was previously posted.... fits nicely in my sauconys. my gf is gonna go buy a pouch for hers.
and lastly, i didn't have a chance to calibrate the kit, so this is definitely pretty good!
i was a little late in stopping the ipod when i crossed the finish line, but i couldn't have walked more than 20 feet past the finish line.
the ipod registered the run as 5.02 km. pretty close. definitely good enough for me.
also of note, i used the velcro technique that was previously posted.... fits nicely in my sauconys. my gf is gonna go buy a pouch for hers.
and lastly, i didn't have a chance to calibrate the kit, so this is definitely pretty good!
munckee said:
You don't need to burrow out a hole in your shoe. It can be attached to the tongue, under the laces. Photos and instructions here.
ckat said:
Great to hear! I'm glad other people are having success with this.
Flowbee said:
Thanks, I'd noticed your write up before. I prefer the idea of having it inside my shoe, but may go ahead and try the velcro method before doing permanent damage to my shoes.
On a side note, when I was at the nike store, I went ahead and tried on their shoes. I was able to try on the Moire, the Air Zoom something or other, and the turbo shox. I tried on the shox first and set them aside as too much shoe for me. I think I'd prefer something lighter. However, after trying both of the other models, the turbo was the only one that fit me with any comfort. They claim to have another model coming out in a month or so, the air max 180. May have to try those on as well.
Alyssey said:
No, as far as Apple have stated, its only the Nano.
I cant understand why people are too blind to see why Apple have made this exclusive to the nano. The Nano is flash based memory, not hard-drive. Thus meaning you can run as fast as you like, and no song-jogging will occur.
You try this with your older, or even 5G ipods - you might not get an instant song jog b/c of the buffer, but you will certainly in the long term damage the hard disk.
Apple have been understandably clever, and foreseen this issue - thus diverting themselves away from possible law-suits, spured by unhappy 5G Ipod owners who's disks have broke thru regular running strains!
ironic23 said:
From the reports so far, it really doesn't seem to matter. A few posts above this one, ckat described running a real 5K race with the sensor in non-Nike shoes, and recording 5.02km as the total distance, which is excellent accuracy.
On the other hand, I'm running in the Nike+ shoes, and my sensor seems to be in need of some calibration - a 5k run measured out with the GMaps pedometer is only being reported as a little over 4.6km on the iPod. I posted yesterday that this may have been due to me having some issues on my first run (accidentally hitting pause instead of the center button) that would've caused me to lose some distance, but I've been out again just now to run the same course, with no technical issues (other than the song volume still being much quieter than the voice feedback volume) and if anything, the voice feedback woman made me run even further than yesterday
So I've decided to dump her for the male voice on my next run
And more importantly, I'm going to get this thing calibrated against as carefully measured a distance as I can map out on the pedometer site (I don't have a convenient running track to use), because if this thing keeps making me run 5-10% further than I planned, I'm not going to last long, especially in a hot New York summer
To summarize, I'm convinced that the accuracy has far more to do with your running style (and mine is clearly not what the engineering team had in mind) than the type of shoes you use.
A few issues... resolved.
My girlfriend had the following issues on her first few runs...
1. Max music volume was very low. Voice feedback volume was excellent. This seems to be the same problem shambolic is having.
2. The playlists no longer respected her shuffle:songs settings.
This may have been an unlucky fluke. I checked each time (I ride my bike behind her) and could not get the shuffling or volume to work properly. Today, I used iPod Updater to reset the iPod to factory settings and started from scratch. (Yes, it had already been updated with the 6/28 release. It worked like a charm.
A possible cause - The volume limit was set when we first plugged in the Nike+ receiver.
Additionally, if you don't want to walk to activate your sensor - a quick couple of taps of your sensor foot will start you right up.
Also, as I told her - If you shuffle your songs, setting your first song to something you really like or better yet having a 1 second silent track as the first song of your playlist will prevent you from hearing the same song every time you select the same playlist. This got annoying for her - quick.
My girlfriend had the following issues on her first few runs...
1. Max music volume was very low. Voice feedback volume was excellent. This seems to be the same problem shambolic is having.
2. The playlists no longer respected her shuffle:songs settings.
This may have been an unlucky fluke. I checked each time (I ride my bike behind her) and could not get the shuffling or volume to work properly. Today, I used iPod Updater to reset the iPod to factory settings and started from scratch. (Yes, it had already been updated with the 6/28 release. It worked like a charm.
A possible cause - The volume limit was set when we first plugged in the Nike+ receiver.
Additionally, if you don't want to walk to activate your sensor - a quick couple of taps of your sensor foot will start you right up.
Also, as I told her - If you shuffle your songs, setting your first song to something you really like or better yet having a 1 second silent track as the first song of your playlist will prevent you from hearing the same song every time you select the same playlist. This got annoying for her - quick.