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I don't want to turn this in a console fight (I also own all Nintendo consoles since the NES, except for the Virtual Boy) but I can't understand what you wrote about SEGA.

Have you ever played SEGA in the arcades or at home before the year 2000?

SEGA arguably did some of the finest arcade games of all times, not just the software, but also the associated high-end arcade hardware with moving parts etc.

Their consoles (except for the 32X and then the Saturn in the West/outside of Japan flops) and software titles were mostly great, especially the arcade conversions.

Their last effort, the Dreamcast, was a particularly interesting console in my opinion, especially considering its short lifespan. Others already mentioned titles like House of the Dead, Sonic, Shenmue, Phantasy Star...
The Dreamcast was ahead of its time (online gaming on consoles with player avatar and stats, VMU hardware in the gamepad, basically a precursor for the second screen mantra used today) in my opinion.

SEGA just never had the financial stability or cash liquidity mattress to sustain losses as Nintendo (still) can, but the writing is on the wall for Nintendo long-term.

They either launch new business units (eg. theme parks in Asia could be an idea) or pull another original-Wii-like surprise rabbit out of their pocket soon...

I don't see much of their IP working well on iPads or tablets because of the traditional control schemes. Some IP like Pokemon might work fine.

The problem with Nintendo is they are slow to react to changes, which is a problem in today's world with yearly HW cycles on tablets and smartphones.

They correctly identified Apple as a new competitor in 2010 but didn't act on it (at least not successfully), same for attracting more third party content on the Wii U, that was already a problem on the original Wii and before...it's 2014 and both problems are not resolved.

Nintendo could very well be forced to do a SEGA move a few years from now (or someone buys them out, but given their company shareholder structure and Japanese corporate laws this is next to impossible).
I like the theme park idea. But some Japanese corporations can be more stubborn as you can imagine.
 
I like the theme park idea. But some Japanese corporations can be more stubborn as you can imagine.

Yeah, the Theme park idea put forward by derbladerunner would be an absolute massive drawcard for kids in Japan. Not so much women and teenagers though who make up the other 2 major Japanese demographics for theme parks here.
 
Nintendo as a company is just completely tone deaf. The Wii U is known to suck and the 3Ds was bound to be replaced by smartphones faster than point and shoot cameras.....

Basically nintendo missed the ball completely.

This guy was right on the money. I think Wii U was an awful concept, they either should have double down on motion gaming or go virtual. I couldn't believe the Wii U, specs and concept...

What's frustrating is that those Nintendo executives get paid so much for making such bad decisions. Someone mentioned Nintendo is always innovating and going into uncharted territory, if someone could explain what the hell the Wii U is or what planet it's in, please do! I'm sure they won't fire those horrible decision makers but if they do, golden parachutes all around!
 
Most are unaware how big of a company Nintendo is. Most likely they can go with annual losses like this for a decade before they go out. So chances of them coming with another hit are quite high.

If we ever see some of their games on phones it would most likely be some B titles or some ****. Seriously playing a game on touchscreen is crap so no wonders Angry Birds is the mighty achievement in mobile gaming.
 
I beg to differ. Retro gaming is hot these days, so releasing their back catalogue of retro games priced at, say, $9,99, would earn them a lot of money. Of course, they should not just rely on iOS sales but it would definitely be a big chunk of revenue.

They could start with releasing old 1st and 3rd party NES games, then slowly work their way up to SNES, GameBoy, and eventually N64 and GameCube. Nintendo loves making remasters of old games and iOS is the perfect platform for them to play in.

Ocarina of Time on iPad mini? HELL YES.

The other part of revenue should come from a new console. Move away from the PowerPC architecture and adopt x86 like the rest, which will make it easier for developers to cross-platform their games. Make it powerful to be able to compete with the big 2 and finally, ditch the Wii brand. It sucks. This should be second coming of the Nintendo 64. Back in the day there were rumors of an Ultra Nintendo. Make it so, Ninty. Make it so.

Playing Ocarina of Time on a iPad mini would feel terrible to play. No button and just swiping on a screen for hours - is that really the fun of video games nowadays?

They still wouldn't make the money they need and only Apple would be the winner by just demanding it's 30% cut for really doing nothing.
 
This guy was right on the money. I think Wii U was an awful concept, they either should have double down on motion gaming or go virtual. I couldn't believe the Wii U, specs and concept...

What's frustrating is that those Nintendo executives get paid so much for making such bad decisions. Someone mentioned Nintendo is always innovating and going into uncharted territory, if someone could explain what the hell the Wii U is or what planet it's in, please do! I'm sure they won't fire those horrible decision makers but if they do, golden parachutes all around!

they could have made a decent console if they let you use your own phone or tablet instead of making their own
 
I had a PS4 and then I downloaded Ifiniaty Blade 2 and 3 :)..... I just couldn't stop playing it even tho I had Fifa 14 and Call of Duty Ghost. It was refreshing and fun game to play and the graphics are amazing for a 4 inch screen on my iPhone 5s. I realized I was paying 60 bucks every 12 months for the same exact game with a roster update on both fifa and Call of Duty. I also wasn't a fan of the PS4 asking me to update both the system and update the game for 10-20 minutes every time I wanted to play.

I am a grad student, work 50+ hours a week at a investment firm and have a girlfriend. The 30-45 minutes a day I have to myself or to watch TV or play a game shouldn't be half spent on updating my console. The Xbox also had that annoying habit.

People speak about the Apple TV which I think is useless you need to have a huge iTunes cloud movie library or have your computer on the whole ring time. My tv has a USB slot which I can just put my external HD on to watch things I have that aren't iTunes. As for Angry birds and other games if Apple ever puts a game app for the apple tv. How will it look on a 40+ inch screen?

WE are a good 5-10 years away or 3 console generations away before they are obsolete.
 
iOS + Nintendo!

Release all your games (except where Wii controls are necessary) to iPad, and release an official Nintendo bluetooth controller. They'd make a killing. I'd buy a ton of games.

I couldn't agree more with this... You could make an iOS controller that straps around an iPad and it would basically be a Wii U!

This generation of Nintendo hardware is the first I've refused to buy. I've owned a Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Gameboy, N64, Gamecube, Gameboy Advanced, DSLite, and Wii... That will be it.

If I ran the show over at Nintendo I would get the team porting Mario Kart Wii, and Zelda Phantom hourglass to iPad for the end of the month. Those games would transfer flawlessly using Gyro control, and touch controls respectively.
 
They could make tonnes of cash by just having a 'Virtual Console' app, with IAP's through that.

That would be enough of a prop up to figure out what they're doing with flagging consoles, drip-fed game releases, next-gen dev etc...

A good solution for them would be to somehow migrate the Wii U tech into the Gamepad itself... Or to unify the 3ds and Wii U into a more integrated system. Where-in both can wirelessly stream to tv or be used as secondary screens itself. Like iPhone and iPad - small and large versions of each other.

It's kind've what they have going now. They just need to tie it up, it could be pretty cool.

I'd imagine if they released a phone it could be small like a game and watch, single-screen, for playing all the classics on....

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I own a Wii U. Do you know why I held out on buying one for so long and why Nintendo hasn't gotten any money from me since? It's because THEY HAVE NO GAMES! They have six freaking studios and nothing to show for it! They haven't even previewed any upcoming games!

Borrowing a line from Iron Man, They're a Game Company Not Making Games! It's not freaking rocket science. There's no defense for Nintendo - they have a huge catalog of franchises to call upon and revisit and they're sitting on all of them. Make a freaking sequel to ANY of them! Use the same damn engine - who cares? I don't need anything revolutionary - it doesn't need to be beautiful, it needs to be fun. Which I realize isn't the easiest thing, but it seems like the only thing harder than that when you have such a talented team of game makers is to NOT MAKE GAMES, but somehow they're managing it.

Porting their old games to iOS would be a complete disaster. That's quite possibly the worst choice they could make, as they'd trash their reputation the way SEGA has. iOS is not a viable platform for most of their games, besides maybe Pokemon, because touch controls really don't fly in platformers built for d-pads or joysticks.

Any Wii U games will work easily on the iOS devices. Wii U controller has a touch base tablet plus physical controllers. Nintendo can always make custom controllers to sell iOS users, too.
 
Why are people automatically assuming this means their games will come out on iOS and Android?

This could also mean that they themselves are looking to create a smart phone.
 
They could be an amazing game publisher for ios/android. Everyone's got a cell phone, and that's a huge untapped market for Nintendo.
 
they could have made a decent console if they let you use your own phone or tablet instead of making their own

You are right, I just don't want to play on my phone or tablet (well lots of games would be good like Mario as simple controls are all that are required)

I just think touch screens for gaming isn't ideal. They come up with this weird controls to make up for the lack of tactile controls, and it rarely is successful.

The Wii was novel because the controls but it didn't live up to what was promised. I just hate most controls, and I hate 4 buttons for my thumb. I have other fingers who aren't used during gaming!

That being said, Nintendo should sell it's soul as they are done for (obvious for 3 years now). I hope someone can revolutionize gaming....
 
They should NEVER consider smartphones. You cant make original good games on it.

Nintendo sold the most hardware and software globally in 2013, and they are in trouble?

This is more anti nintendo slander.

3DS has sold 40 million units in 2.5 years. No demand huh?
 
Sad for Apple. This will be a push on Android and iOS will probably be left in the dust. Apple should throw major cash Nintoendos way to corner the market.
 
mecube, Gameboy Advanced, DSLite, and Wii... That will be it.

If I ran the show over at Nintendo I would get the team porting Mario Kart Wii, and Zelda Phantom hourglass to iPad for the end of the month. Those games would transfer flawlessly using Gyro control, and touch controls respectively.

Ask yourself this, they would lose BILLIONS by going to iOS and Apple, rather than their own handheld hardware, which has sold in the 150+ million Range ( 3DS ) and shows no sign of slowing down.

Why should they take billions upon billions of losses to be on iPads?

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They should NEVER consider smartphones. You cant make original good games on it.

Nintendo sold the most hardware and software globally in 2013, and they are in trouble?

This is more anti nintendo slander.

3DS has sold 40 million units in 2.5 years. No demand huh?

Exactly,

A little bit of Loss on Nintendos part is new, yes. But they have tons of money in the bank.

I would think Nintendo would not reduce their selves to making crappy iOS ports.
 
I own a Wii U. Do you know why I held out on buying one for so long and why Nintendo hasn't gotten any money from me since? It's because THEY HAVE NO GAMES! They have six freaking studios and nothing to show for it! They haven't even previewed any upcoming games!

Borrowing a line from Iron Man, They're a Game Company Not Making Games! It's not freaking rocket science. There's no defense for Nintendo - they have a huge catalog of franchises to call upon and revisit and they're sitting on all of them. Make a freaking sequel to ANY of them! Use the same damn engine - who cares? I don't need anything revolutionary - it doesn't need to be beautiful, it needs to be fun. Which I realize isn't the easiest thing, but it seems like the only thing harder than that when you have such a talented team of game makers is to NOT MAKE GAMES, but somehow they're managing it.

Porting their old games to iOS would be a complete disaster. That's quite possibly the worst choice they could make, as they'd trash their reputation the way SEGA has. iOS is not a viable platform for most of their games, besides maybe Pokemon, because touch controls really don't fly in platformers built for d-pads or joysticks.

And it'd give less of a reason to buy a nintendo portable. You know, the profitable side of their business.

It might, however, make sense to sell games on Apple TV. But not portables.
 
Throw us a bone with some NES classics. That'll boost your bottom line. Many of us still wish to play those games, but wouldn't go to the trouble of buying the consoles and cartridges required.

Just look at the number of knockoff Mario-like platform games in the App Store.
 
Nintendo has two choices: find their Steve Jobs who can innovate and streamline their current product line and resurrect the company; or embrace smartphone/tablets, at least in some form. People often compare Nintendo and Apple and forgot that if there was no Steve Jobs' return to Apple the company would not have survived until today.
 
Most are unaware how big of a company Nintendo is. Most likely they can go with annual losses like this for a decade before they go out. So chances of them coming with another hit are quite high.

The shareholders would never allow this situation to continue, which is exemplified by the current pressure to change Nintendo's business model.

Seriously playing a game on touchscreen is crap so no wonders Angry Birds is the mighty achievement in mobile gaming.

32% of iOS and Android usage is attributed to gaming. Apparently you are one of the few to consider it crap. Console and game producers need to take this product category very seriously, as it is and will increasingly be a formidable competing category.

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Playing Ocarina of Time on a iPad mini would feel terrible to play. No button and just swiping on a screen for hours - is that really the fun of video games nowadays?

They still wouldn't make the money they need and only Apple would be the winner by just demanding it's 30% cut for really doing nothing.

Think a bit more creatively. Nintendo makes great controllers, so they could build a controller for iOS and / or Android. In addition they could partner with Apple and negotiate a different rate for the App Store. Apple would definitely be happy to decrease the 30% rate if Nintendo would partner exclusively with them.

Integrating the iOS and Android game versions with existing Nintendo consoles (through gamecenter) would also drive additional traffic to the consoles and would make the Nintendo ecosystem more valuable (e.g. Continuing the game you played at home on your mobile).
 
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Not that it'll ever happen, but putting a Nintendo channel on an Apple TV, with a Bluetooth controller system and iPhone compatibility for portable games would sell tons and tons of games and make Nintendo tons of cash without having to worry much about hardware...
 
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