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Worst day of my life. I want a cinema display for over 4 years now but I refuse to pay the current price tag for it's current specs.
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Really? If _that's_ the "worst day of your _life_", you must be _very_ young and ain't seen nothing yet ...

To be constructive: Why not take a look at the Dell P2715 or P2415 4k monitors?! Those are of good quality and probably two of those (= 8k) would still be cheaper than a potential (yet improbable) new Thunderbolt display.
 
Why would that be an exciting day anyway? Timmy Cook is the most uninspiring, boring speaker - I can't stand to listen to him anymore. So scripted and trying to be Jobs cool - which he never will be.

The only thing worse than his piss poor presentation style is that he has nothing to announce other than his never arriving "magical pipeline". Maybe Eddie "The Slob" Cue excites you with his half ass presentations?

I really hope we see several significant product announcements, Apple is at an inflection point now that Timmy boy is going past 5 years as CEO.
You realise the keynote is not the most important thing for people attending WWDC? You even realise that WWDC is not only a 2hr keynote?
Good news is: I'm excited and I'm going. You're not excited and your not going. This world can be so easy ;-)
 
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Really? If _that's_ the "worst day of your _life_", you must be _very_ young and ain't seen nothing yet ...

To be constructive: Why not take a look at the Dell P2715 or P2415 4k monitors?! Those are of good quality and probably two of those (= 8k) would still be cheaper than a potential (yet improbable) new Thunderbolt display.
FYI one 5K monitor is nearly as many pixels as two 4K monitors. Roughly 14.7MP vs 16.6MP. 5K is much bigger than it sounds.
 
Unfortunately, to Ritchie a new AW band is exciting, so excuse me if I temper my excitement lest I be disappointed. But also hope he is right, just not willing to bet the house.

I used to enjoy Rene Ritchie, but once he became an insider with Apple, he only now speaks favourably about everything that comes out of Cupertino.
 
Really? If _that's_ the "worst day of your _life_", you must be _very_ young and ain't seen nothing yet ...

To be constructive: Why not take a look at the Dell P2715 or P2415 4k monitors?! Those are of good quality and probably two of those (= 8k) would still be cheaper than a potential (yet improbable) new Thunderbolt display.

Please read my reply here before making statements about people you don't know: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...u-coming-at-wwdc.1975500/page-3#post-22963372

Thanks you for helping me look for other displays.
 
I normally enjoy watching WWDC, but this year, I think the post-show comments will be amazing. Can't wait to see all the people menacing to leaving the Apple boat.

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It's not dead yet.
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I feel happy...
 



Earlier this week, rumors and speculation suggested Apple was working on a 5K Thunderbolt Display with an integrated GPU that could potentially debut at the upcoming Worldwide Developers Conference, but new information from iMore suggests that is not the case.

According to iMore's Rene Ritchie, Apple does not plan to introduce an Apple Display with an integrated external GPU. Ritchie does not provide a specific source on this information, but he is well-connected and occasionally shares accurate details on Apple's plans.

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Ritchie's statement does not appear to entirely dismiss the possibility of an upgraded Thunderbolt Display at the Worldwide Developers Conference, so it is possible some kind of display-related announcement is still in the works.

As we explained yesterday, Apple could introduce a 5K display alongside Thunderbolt 3 Macs, using both DisplayPort 1.2 streams in the Thunderbolt 3 specification to drive a 5K display using Multi-Stream Transport. Apple used a similar setup internally for the original 5K iMac.

In recent weeks, Thunderbolt Display stock has been dwindling in many Apple retail stores across the United States, in Canada, and in the UK, leading to speculation that a refresh is on the horizon. It is still not clear if the stock shortages are indicative that a new model is coming, but the Thunderbolt Display is long overdue for an update and WWDC would be an ideal time for an unveiling.

Article Link: No 5K Thunderbolt Display With Integrated GPU Coming at WWDC

"An integrated external GPU". That's like being inside outside my home.
 
Yes, there will be. It's called the iMac 5K, and it's a GPU+CPU+etc attached to a monitor.

Costs less than dell's inferior 5K monitor, too!

Even if you upgrade to a PCI-Ex, or fusion drive, still costs less than the Dell!

The Dell is $1400 uses the same EXACT LG panel as the iMac 5k. What's inferior about it and do you have troubles with numbers and can't subtract? PCI-Ex is double the Dell monitor price.

Now go ahead and show me one and I mean one 1440p monitor that uses a 2011 panel, heavier, old body, has USB 2 ports, has an extremely reflective glass outset surface that gets dust behind it and costs $1k. You can play this idiotic game both ways.

Try to be a little more open minded and understand that if Apple sells you sh* in a box, it's just sh* in a box, not a magical, "just works", world's first most innovative sh* in a box.

I swear with you fanboys, I think if Tim literally sold his used toilet paper you would buy it and argue how it's the best toilet paper in the world and the smell isn't really there, only a few people notice it and they are using the toilet paper wrong.

What's more surprising was that your comment was even upvoted. So clearly there is quite a few fanboys that just hear something apple and trigger the "buy" button or upvote button. This is a sad day for macrumors.
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I'm excited and I'm going.

You win the lottery or write blogs? That's amazingly cool you got in. I've played the lottery since they started and of course, never got in. I do wish they'd release the weeks worth of material quicker.

I think I'm more excited about the iOS and OSX upgrades and hoping Swift 3 brings some cool new features (although we already know what they are since it's open source). But I'm hoping for like native regex support, etc.
 
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Earlier this week, rumors and speculation suggested Apple was working on a 5K Thunderbolt Display with an integrated GPU that could potentially debut at the upcoming Worldwide Developers Conference, but new information from iMore suggests that is not the case.

According to iMore's Rene Ritchie, Apple does not plan to introduce an Apple Display with an integrated external GPU. Ritchie does not provide a specific source on this information, but he is well-connected and occasionally shares accurate details on Apple's plans.

thunderbolt_display_elcap_views-800x254.jpg
Ritchie's statement does not appear to entirely dismiss the possibility of an upgraded Thunderbolt Display at the Worldwide Developers Conference, so it is possible some kind of display-related announcement is still in the works.

As we explained yesterday, Apple could introduce a 5K display alongside Thunderbolt 3 Macs, using both DisplayPort 1.2 streams in the Thunderbolt 3 specification to drive a 5K display using Multi-Stream Transport. Apple used a similar setup internally for the original 5K iMac.

In recent weeks, Thunderbolt Display stock has been dwindling in many Apple retail stores across the United States, in Canada, and in the UK, leading to speculation that a refresh is on the horizon. It is still not clear if the stock shortages are indicative that a new model is coming, but the Thunderbolt Display is long overdue for an update and WWDC would be an ideal time for an unveiling.

Article Link: No 5K Thunderbolt Display With Integrated GPU Coming at WWDC

Well, duh, why would Apple waste time on a lowly 5k monitor, or even a VR Headset, when we'll all be using *eyePhone*s for everything soon enough??? ;-)
 
another example of the lack of ledership at Apple.
There has been no update to the TB display in what, 5-6 years now?
When I bought my late 2013 Mac Pro a couple years ago I would have gladly plonked down $1000-1200 for an Apple display if it offered the same wide color gamut, non-glare surface as contemporary displays from Samsung, Asus NEC etc. Of course you want an Apple display because it goes with your Mac and has a few extra jacks on the back for stuff like USB, 1394, SD card etc.
I was not going to pay for a 5 year old dinosaur with a glossy surface, that is as thick as a shoe. And costs more than twice what an Asus or Samsung does. Both of which have wider color gamut.
That is not just money lost because of display sales elsewhere. But because once a customer breaks the continuity of all Apple gear, they don't go back.
Sounds stupid, but I would be a lot more likely to have bought Apple input devices instead of logitech if my desk was already all Apple.
 
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Costs aside, it's the same LED panel - Apple doesn't make its own, it buys them from LG and Samsung, just like Dell does.
 
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But because once a customer breaks the continuity of all Apple gear, they don't go back

That's an extremely interesting thing to say. Very good observation. I was trying to figure out why I have such a love/hate relationship with Apple then your statement said it all. I, fortunately (or unfortunately, depends how you look at it) broke the ecosystem because of outdated items, buggy software and sometimes bad designs. Waiting for updates for 5 years is too long. Maybe if things worked and weren't as buggy, it wouldn't feel so long. There shouldn't be dust behind the the shiniest mirror, I mean monitor, you can find. And so, broke the continuity like you said. I wouldn't go back because I don't want one company to control my hopes, emotions and disappointments, but I do have a hard time letting go years of brainwashing that apple is somehow high-end and better than everything else. The insane amount of bugs proves otherwise.

I think Apple knows that you will put up with their buggy software and outdated devices since you also have a macbook, an appletv and an iPad. Getting 1 different thing means destroying the ecosystem and losing it IMO is 50% of the Apple promise. Not to mention they string you along in hopes of something cooler and even though you are disappointed every year because it's the same thing, just thinner and lighter; somehow their behavioral training got you to keep waiting in fear that you will somehow miss the best next thing.

Problem is, leaving Apple means trying to find another full ecosystem because Apple showed that a complete circle is a nice thing. But no other company or system has a working full ecosystem, so you have to take the time to piece things together (example: android phone, apple ipad, macbook pro and dell desktop). I sometimes wish Apple wasn't so buggy so that I could be lazy again, or I can't shake of years of behavioral training by incredible Apple marketing. I still wish (and regularly try, as if it somehow magically it will change) I could run my VMs on a rMBP and not have the fans spin at 6000rpms when I plug the macsafe in and doing nothing else on the laptop other than scroll through facebook. Maybe that's what I'm hoping for from WWDC. Fixes for everything, and not just another string-along product and software update that will leave you hoping for something better in the upcoming year.
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http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Monitor-...TF8&qid=1464928222&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+27+5k

Also, I'm not even sure how you got to a deprecated page that you can't get to from Dell's site. You clearly took the time to find something that doesn't even exist anymore. Dell's brand new one:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=210-ADJR

I tried every way possible to get to the page you linked, but couldn't find how. All I did to find mine was click products => monitors => 5k & 4k. And I got 1649 or 1400 of amazon.

Now find me an iMac 5k that's less than that? Base or otherwise. And don't forget you said you can add a PCIex and be half the price of the Dell.

And the panel doesn't matter, the timing controler is not the same, the polarizer, the backlight, the lamination process, anti-reflective coating, etc. etc. etc.

Have you used the dell 27 yet? I have both. The only advantage the mac has is it looks shinier and actually lags sometimes. I'm not even sure their custom timing controller even gives you true 60hz. It's even funnier that your "pros" to the monitor were taking directly off Apple's marketing / product pages. Do you even know what a timing controller does without googling it? Do you even know what a "better" polarizer would do to an LCD?

Again, you are just eating up anything that apple gives you. But seeing how Tim Cook is even your avatar, I'm guessing your not only a fan, but Tim Cook and Apple are your God. And you will definitely stay in line and camp overnight to buy Tim's used toilet paper.

All offenses aside, it's fine, I love shiny things too. I just don't lie about them and make them sound better than they are or just quote the words off a keynote of why Tim said it's better with buzz terms like "timing controller" and not have any idea what any of that means. You don't know quality because you don't have both monitors. Even reviewers argue with you (not all, I seem to find both ends of the spectrum, but having both monitors, I'd say the Dell is just not as shiny, but otherwise has perfect color reproduction, same resolution, slightly better refresh rate.

Do you even have a 5k imac?

In all honesty, is the Apple 5k monitor an awesome product? Absolutely yes!! Is it magical and better than the Dell's? Not really. If it was standalone, I'd probably buy it over the Dells, but not because of buzzword features, but mostly because it's shinier. And not sure why you'd need to reach so far to prove otherwise.
 
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http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Monitor-...TF8&qid=1464928222&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+27+5k

Also, I'm not even sure how you got to a deprecated page that you can't get to from Dell's site. You clearly took the time to find something that doesn't even exist anymore. Dell's brand new one:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=210-ADJR

I tried every way possible to get to the page you linked, but couldn't find how. All I did to find mine was click products => monitors => 5k & 4k. And I got 1649 or 1400 of amazon.

Now find me an iMac 5k that's less than that? Base or otherwise. And don't forget you said you can add a PCIex and be half the price of the Dell.

i just googled, and that was the first result.

Whatever, the Mac doesn't need to be cheaper, because it's a full computer, with a 5K DCI monitor, the Dell, isn't.

Have you used the dell 27 yet? I have both. The only advantage the mac has is it looks shinier and actually lags sometimes. I'm not even sure their custom timing controller even gives you true 60hz. It's even funnier that your "pros" to the monitor were taking directly off Apple's marketing / product pages. Do you even know what a timing controller does without googling it? Do you even know what a "better" polarizer would do to an LCD?

Bs!

I have used a 5K Mac, it's not "shiny" or laggy, I bet I know what a timing controller does better than you. And yes, I know what a polarizer does to an LCD.

Do you?

Again, you are just eating up anything that apple gives you. But seeing how Tim Cook is even your avatar, I'm guessing your not only a fan, but Tim Cook and Apple are your God. And you will definitely stay in line and camp overnight to buy Tim's used toilet paper.

Yeah, the Tim Cook in my avatar is an ironic picture, and you're just one more of the Apple haters, where Apple can do no good, can do no better than other brands...

Be happy with your overpriced Dell, and since you have both, your Mac 5K too... And I bet you have everything else in the world.
 
i just googled, and that was the first result.

Whatever, the Mac doesn't need to be cheaper, because it's a full computer, with a 5K DCI monitor, the Dell, isn't.

So instead of coming up with an intelligent rebuttal you turn around, abandoned your argument and just say "whatever mine is still better". And you just throw an acronym to sound smarter but actually makes you seem even less so, especially if you know what DCI means. That's almost like saying the iMac 5k is better because it uses an IPS panel. So does every other high-end monitor.

I have used a 5K Mac, it's not "shiny" or laggy, I bet I know what a timing controller does better than you. And yes, I know what a polarizer does to an LCD.

The question wasn't if you had an iMac 5k, the question was did you actually use the Dell as well? You can't just close your eyes and say your Honda is better than a BMW without ever driving a BMW first (not a direct analogy, I don't think the Dell is a BMW but neither is the Apple). Glad you looked up what it all means, so you'd understand that most of that would not be noticeable and mere marketing terms. But your second argument of "I don't see it on mine", again speaks for your lack of experience and inability to see past yourself. You aren't everyone and what you like doesn't necessarily make it the best. It just makes it something you like.

Yeah, the Tim Cook in my avatar is an ironic picture, and you're just one more of the Apple haters, where Apple can do no good, can do no better than other brands...

Be happy with your overpriced Dell, and since you have both, your Mac 5K too... And I bet you have everything else in the world.

Ironically, I love Apple. Very much so. I just don't blindly worship them or assume they are superior just because Tim said so. It's hard to argue or make conversation with someone who associates a product with themselves or feel that the product or company is an extension of yourself. I don't know you, but I'm not sure why you'd identify with a company or product and take it up on yourself to defend them; I think Apple's billions defend Apple way more than you can ever do. All I was asking, is that you just entertain the idea that maybe something is as good as Apple if not better. Basically, to just open your eyes for a split second.

Even though I really love Apple, I do hold them to higher standards because they market themselves as such. If Apple is more expensive, more is expected. This perceived value of Apple was the way Apple positioned themselves so now they are scrutinized if they fall short. I think if Dell fell short, very few news sites would even bother mentioning it. But the Dell monitor is expensive as well and so more is definitely expected. It's slightly cheaper than the apple so I will let go of the casing and general aesthetics (what I call shininess). But otherwise, it performs pretty much the same.

I thought we established the Dell is not overpriced? I don't think I have everything else in the world. My life is around computers, technology, gadgets, etc so I am passionate as such. I try to position myself as being "open minded", yet just like you, I do find myself being more biased towards Apple often. But that would not mean that I would not try other things.

For the record, Dell is coming out with a 30" OLED 120hz monitor (UP3017Q). That thing will be AMAZING! Granted you need DP1.3 to power it, but with the new GTX 1080 release (which actually does 1.4--will allow native 5k). Something you will notice that prevents Apple from having these just be external displays (granted they still use mobile video cards in their iMacs). Also, exciting thing coming up is the inclusion of HDR. It's an exciting time to be in technology. I just hope Apple doesn't keep sticking to their 2011 monitor being best and that these rumors are true and that maybe the 5k will have an internal GPU. Hopefully they will actually do way more to be ahead and not play catch up with things like higher-framerate monitors--Which for anyone that used one, is not all about gaming. Try using a 30hz monitor for regular work, then try 60hz. You will wonder how you ever used a 30. Then try a 120hz or a 144hz and you will wonder how you ever did 60hz.
 
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And you just throw an acronym to sound smarter but actually makes you seem even less so, especially if you know what DCI means.

Whatever dude, your argument utterly failed and you start with ad hominem attacks?

Have fun selling PCs to the hand!
 
Yes, there will be. It's called the iMac 5K, and it's a GPU+CPU+etc attached to a monitor.

Costs less than dell's inferior 5K monitor, too!

Even if you upgrade to a PCI-Ex, or fusion drive, still costs less than the Dell!

And In what way is that relevant for people wanting to buy a monitor to go with thier apple products? Just buy an iMac?? Tim Cook loves anyone that thinks like you ;)

The rational here is that a 5K Thunderbolt Display costs less than a 5K iMac , and people wanting apple products could care less how much a dell or Ferrari costs, they would like an updated Thunderbolt Display and they don't need a iMac
 
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