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No 5K Thunderbolt Display With Integrated GPU Coming at WWDC
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Worst day of my life. I want a cinema display for over 4 years now but I refuse to pay the current price tag for it's current specs.
Many of us learn to move on. No one should pay for current TBD, it's dated and you'll have a better value with your dollars from other brands.
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I won the lottery (weird thing to say) I've an app in the BE App Store with about 6000 installs and I had an apple watch and apple tv app in stores on launch day. I don't believe the lottery is random but they actually have an algorithm trying to get as many people that actually use / develop for new Apple stuff. I also got to go to the atv tech talks which I coincidentally didn't 'won' previous years as well..
I'm looking forward to a Siri API. And cinema displays ;-)
Remember rMB doesn't have any TB controller and yet it supports 4k@30Hz by default and 60Hz with a software (Actually Apple can enable 60Hz with a firmware but they don't)
You don't need TB3 for 4k@60Hz
Point is if Apple releases a 4k or 5k TBD, rMB won't be able to use it due to lack of TB controller
USB-C is a connector standard designed primarily for USB 3.1 but which can potentially carry *any* protocol that uses packetised serial data over twisted pair links, as an "alternate mode". The two alternate modes launched so far are DisplayPort and Thunderbolt 3.
USB-C in DisplayPort "Alternate Mode" potentially supports DisplayPort 1.3 and that can do 5k @ 60Hz - provided the computer has a DP 1.3 capable GPU and a DP 1.3 capable USB-C controller. In DisplayPort Alternate Mode, some of all of the USB-C connector's wires are physically used as DisplayPort channels, so with a suitable adapter cable it can drive any DisplayPort device.
Currently, Intels integrated GPUs don't support DP 1.3 so that's kinda moot for machines like the rMB, but in theory a computer with a DP 1.3 controller and a compatible USB-C controller could drive 5k without having to re-write the USB-C standard.
In Thunderbolt 3 mode, some of all of the USB-C connector's wires are physically used as Thunderbolt channels. Thunderbolt supports DisplayPort by multiplexing one or more DisplayPort signals with PCIe signals into thunderbolt format - a Thunderbolt display has a TB controller that extracts the DisplayPort signals which are fed internally to the display. So its a virtual DisplayPort connection and you can't physically plug it in to a regular DisplayPort display. Thunderbolt 3 only supports DisplayPort 1.2 - which can't do 5k with a single cable. But it can carry 2 "virtual" cables' worth of DP 1.2 down a single TB cable which can drive a 5k display - just like the Dell 5k monitor used 2 physical cables.
The DP1.2 restriction may have happened because Intel don't make DP1.3 GPUs - but whatever the reason its now baked into the TB3 specification & the TB controller chips, of which Intel is the only source.
Now, Thunderbolt 1 & 2 also had "legacy" mode whereby you could plug any DisplayPort device into a TB1/2 port, and the port would morph into a DisplayPort output. I'm assuming that will have been dropped from TB3 in favour of USB-C's own DisplayPort alternate mode. It would be nice to think that, because alternate mode just involves feeding the DP signal directly to the right pins of the connector, that a computer with discrete, DP1.3-capable graphics could still drive a DP1.3 display without intel getting in the way. Unfortunately, on machines with TB3-capable USB-C ports, the USB-C controller comes embedded in Intel's TB3 controller, so odds are it is still capped at DP 1.2.
This is pretty irrelevant in a new Apple TB display - as long as the hypothetical new display works with the hypothetical new TB3-equipped Macs customers won't care whether its using a single DP1.3 connection or two virtual DP1.2 cables.
However, it seems likely that USB-C will become the de-facto standard for connecting displays. The question is, will 3rd party display makers run with Thunderbolt-over-USB-C, DisplayPort-over-USB-C or both? (not having a second, plain DisplayPort input is a foible of Apple's TB Display - LG already do a TB2 display with plain DP and HDMI inputs).
Not really. Dell is 10bit color panel with a lot better color calibration and a lot more even brightness while iMac's display has a hotspot in the center with great fall of in the corners and color calibration of your ordinary office monitor which they try to compensate with huge level of saturation.
Why is that dumb? My rMBP blasts its fans trying to run stuff on the Apple Thunderbolt Display I'm using.
Isn't the rMB only USB 3.1 gen1? I believe only gen2 could possibly do 4K 60hz with a little compression. I agree though, the current rMB is not particularly appealing until it gains TB3. Being able to drive a display like this rumored TB display would be incredible.
It can still drive 4k@60Hz with a software tweak though, but it won't be able to support 4k@60Hz AND USB3 speeds for connected peripherals. Apple decided to keep peripheral speed at USB 3 speeds at the cost of display bandwidth, hence 4k@30Hz.
When i first read that with a firmware upgrade rMB USB-C port could drive 4k@60Hz few months ago, I thought maybe Apple was working on a 4k display this year and that rMB would get a software update to make it more preferable when this new display gets released. I thought Apple intentionally tweaked it down until the display was out...And now these new external display rumors come out
Obviously I was wrong. If a new display is to come out, it will cater to MBP and will be TB3
You are clearly using your shiny mac to force touch and replace random words out of what is clearly a childish sentence and replace them with words like "hominem" which you had to look up the meaning to. I am not a dude. I am also not 12. If you are going to use a thesaurus try to at least not use words like "dude" that negate your stab at sounding less of an adolescent. All that is missing from your sentences is the word "like" repeated 50 times. Once again, how old are you?
What does selling PCs to the hand even mean? What has that got to do with anything we have talked about in the last 4 exchanges? I swear, I give you some reasons, ask some questions and you come back with childish responses and at failed attempts of trying to sound smart.
I feel like to talk to you I have to sound like this: So dude, like my like mac, is like awesome and like pcs like really suck like what's up with like these pc guys like not having macs that are like totally better than like my moms pc like. Like my mac like has DCI and like it also like has advanced like timing controller which like makes it like better than like a dell which like is a piece of crap like because it doesn't like have an advanced timing controller like.
Is that easier for you to understand?
I'm dying to see how they are going to implement the SIRI API as well. I don't really like the way Google Now was done, and not sure I like the way Cortona does integration either (right now). Although if MSFT actually uses their new bot platform with Cortana as the frontend, it will be a dream for developers.
Why so excited over the monitors? You use a rMBP as a primary machine and just going to plug it in at your desk? Or hoping they will announce new mac pros and/or iMacs that will have USB C/TB3 as well?
I'm glad you're so thin skinned because I didn't realize the Amazon price was that much lower than the Dell website price. If there's no Apple 5k monitor coming out or isn't one that's to my liking, I'm going to be getting one of these. I would have bought it direct from Dell and your friend is not trying to pull a quick one on you by giving you the Dell website link. That's the same place I went to and I was thinking, "$1400? Is he talking about another monitor that I'm not seeing? I see a $2200 one that has a discount to bring it down to $1900."
Thanks dude.
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Dell is doing something weird with their prices. Because even the second link I sent (the dell one) was $1649 yesterday, but 1900 today. I bought mine from Amazon for $1400 (actually less at the time).
Worst day of my life. I want a cinema display for over 4 years now but I refuse to pay the current price tag for it's current specs.
Same here, and I have been fortunate to work at a place that offered me the option of the 32" 4k Dell 3216Q or whatever it's called.
Amazing panel, simply STUNNING and great picture quality.
BUT, it's buggy as hell over Thunderbolt hubs. Doesn't matter if it's through HDMI or Thunderbolt. It works flawlessly when plugged in direct, but that means either I give up a Thunderbolt port or I have to have an assortment of cables coming out of both sides of my MBP.
I'm nitpicking, I know. Also, having the integrated speakers, webcam, charge cable, and additional ports all via ONE cable was SUPER convenient. Going back to the Thunderbolt Display reminds me of the simplicity and convenience, but looking at the panel is upsetting.
All that bickering at yesterday's article forum thread for nothing. Yep. Just another day at Macrumors.
Yep... now everyone will have their 'pitch'
Worst day of my life. I want a cinema display for over 4 years now but I refuse to pay the current price tag for it's current specs.
Clearly you need to join the Peace Corps and go help so kids in Africa, cuz your life is severely lacking in humanity.
Clearly you think you know people after reading one sentence from them but you don't. I have literally been to Africa to do that. Judging by your comment, I would guess you didn't.
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UP3017Q is being released this year (supposed to be March, but got delayed) that will do OLED 4k @ 120hz. This requires at a minimum 1.3. Although not announced yet, HDR version of the same thing will require 1.4. The GTX 1080 just released by NVIDIA does 1.4 support already, so it's not really brand new technology. I'm hoping Apple will keep up and not stick to 1.2 MST on their 5k (if there will even be a 5k).
We will absolutely see lots of new hardware that will require the use of 1.3 and 1.4 this year. Especially if you get into HDR TV's or monitors (I can't remember, but there were a few slated for this year's release).
I have my fingers crossed that Apple will release something cutting edge and not 3 generations behind. 5k DP 1.4
UP3017Q is being released this year (supposed to be March, but got delayed) that will do OLED 4k @ 120hz. This requires at a minimum 1.3. Although not announced yet, HDR version of the same thing will require 1.4. The GTX 1080 just released by NVIDIA does 1.4 support already, so it's not really brand new technology. I'm hoping Apple will keep up and not stick to 1.2 MST on their 5k (if there will even be a 5k).
We will absolutely see lots of new hardware that will require the use of 1.3 and 1.4 this year. Especially if you get into HDR TV's or monitors (I can't remember, but there were a few slated for this year's release).
I have my fingers crossed that Apple will release something cutting edge and not 3 generations behind. 5k DP 1.4
Both that monitor and that Nvidia card are yet to be released to the market.
I already have the GTX 1080 and so do thousands of others already. It was released last week. You can buy right now from nvidia directly (I got the founders edition). Evga also sells them. I think there are a whole slew of reference cards out there already as well, I stopped looking once I got mine. Infact they already released its sibling the 1070. Look before you try to just tell someone they are wrong. Especially if that someone has that something you are saying is not released on-hand.
The dell monitor yes, not released. A few of them made it out into the market but were recalled fairly quickly. No one knows why, but they will be here in a few months since they have already been spotted. It's not vaporware like the current apple 5k is. The part I'm purposefully omitting is that it's MSRP will be $5000. But it will be the world's first true OLED 120hz Monitor. Now that's cutting edge. A 2-year old panel put into an Apple branded enclosure with stickers that say "custom timing controller" is not cutting edge. Hopefully Tim will not call it "the world's first" or "most innovative".
BTW the 1080 totally worth it. 700 for a card that performs better than sli Titans and uses half the power (requires only 1 8-pin connector). Running even the most complex games on my vive no longer drops frames and does full 90fps. The card is quiet too. No idea how nvidia pulled this one off.
I am dying to see what graphics Apple is going to put in their Macbook Pros. Especially now that Nvidia announced they will no longer be making M-class cards anymore. I'm guessing they will stick to AMD or come up with their own.
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Okay. Didn't knew.
But Intel still doesn't have a solution, and Apple needs that, as most MBP's have intel graphics. Even if they put nV or AMD, they need the mobile version.
Yes, it's cutting edge, at least in 2015, when there was no timing controller that allowed a full 5K display.