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Why do so many people want to see an ugly port that they use just a few times a year? No port will ever be small enough that it won’t be ugly. The design of the Magic Mouse is Apple at its best and I would be concerned if Apple someday followed the herd and made the port visible. Do Mac fans really want Apple to become more like Logitech?

As for ergonomics, you don’t want your wrist off the desk, which larger mice force you to do.
How would that port be any more or less visible than the charging port on the wireless keyboard?
 
I only want to know if "multitouch" gestures are supported by the MX Master, as in, is there a way to do all the zooming and stuff that I'm really used to doing with the trackpad. I'm not really opposed to getting a magic mouse but considering is practically the same price as the MX Master in Mexico...
 
Interesting. I fixed mine by using an MX Veritical Mouse

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God I love the MX Vertical. It's so comfortable to hold and use! Shame Logitech insists on using that rubberized soft-touch coating that turns to gunk though.
 
Nobody will believe me here but Magic Mouse was the mouse that fixed my carpal tunnel. Yes, that horrible unergonomic mouse. A few years ago I had to stop using mouse altogether for a month or so and since then I can’t use other mouse. My hand hurts after just a few minutes if I use gaming or those supposedly ergonomic mouses. I actually like that my hand sits low on the Magic Mouse because it feels more natural than having my hand high and kinda twisted.
I'm in a similar boat. I use a Magic Mouse while working all day with no pain, but I had wrist pain within a day when I tried an MX Master. My hand just doesn't like traditional mice that are designed to have my palm rest on the body of the mouse. I have a G502X on my gaming PC and I love the button layout for gaming, but I have to watch the amount of gaming I do. I'm also very careful with wrist/arm support in my gaming setup.

The only thing I would consider trying for work if I had future problems would be a vertical mouse. After the MX Master failure I came to the realization that the Magic Mouse is clearly ergonomic for me and the touchpad feature set is untouchable by any other mouse on MacOS.
 
The best charging option for the Magic Mouse (old version) was the Mobee wireless charging pad. Use the mouse all day, plop on the pad when you're done, and it's ready the next morning.

As for mice, I finally gave up on the Magic Mouse and very much like my Logitec Anywhere 3S. I've also given up on the Apple keyboards, as they are just too finicky, and I've switched to the Logitec MX Keys Mac keyboard. It's one of the best keyboards I've used since I started using a computer in 1974 with an ASR-33 teletype for a PDP-8. Damn, that makes me feel old.
 
Since 1984 Macs have shipped with mice that can be used by left handers and right handers alike. That's why it is the way it is, otherwise mice would have to ship in a separate box for both kinds of customers.

Since 1984 (maybe earlier if Lisa counts).

And here we are in 2024 having this useless conversation. If you want a gaming mouse or multi button mouse you can go buy one.
That's great that it's ambidextrous. That doesn't change the fact that it is compromised due to that pursuit. It ends up serving both left-handers and right-handers more poorly as a result.
 
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Preach. I was do much happier when I switched from a Magic Mouse to Logitech MX Vertical.
Whoa. How long did it take you to get used to that? I've heard those vertical mice are significantly more ergonomic because that's the "default" position for your wrist. You're actually having to twist your wrist to lay it flat on a table like with traditional mice.
 
I can't find a photo of Tim Cook's office in which his mouse can be seen. Since these photos are taken in a controlled manner, that says it all. Cookie doesn't need to say that he doesn't use the Magic Mouse.
Indeed. Actually I searched as well and there are plenty of photos of the Magic Trackpad on his desk, which makes sense.
 
The best charging option for the Magic Mouse (old version) was the Mobee wireless charging pad. Use the mouse all day, plop on the pad when you're done, and it's ready the next morning.

As for mice, I finally gave up on the Magic Mouse and very much like my Logitec Anywhere 3S. I've also given up on the Apple keyboards, as they are just too finicky, and I've switched to the Logitec MX Keys Mac keyboard. It's one of the best keyboards I've used since I started using a computer in 1974 with an ASR-33 teletype for a PDP-8. Damn, that makes me feel old.
So you're pretty happy with that keyboard? I've been eyeing that one. I currently use a mechanical keyboard that I'm pretty happy with, but have considered going back to a chiclet style.
 
God I love the MX Vertical. It's so comfortable to hold and use! Shame Logitech insists on using that rubberized soft-touch coating that turns to gunk though.
Looks like I was right that people who hate the Magic Mouse and who like so-called "ergonomic" Logitech mice really just want a flightstick. Look at that absurdity.
 
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Ok, I understand your post with one of your points being: SAP > Excel > Numbers 👍
I didn’t say anything about Excel being better than Numbers. (I don’t believe I even mention Numbers.)

I also didn’t say that SAP is better than Excel. It’s more nuanced than that.

Excel (and Numbers as well) has its uses and it’s great for those uses. But one of those uses is not as a replacement for an actual ERP like SAP.

A company the size of Apple has extremely complicated tax, accounting, compliance and regulatory requirements. And Excel (or Numbers) just wouldn’t be suitable for those requirements.
 
It really depends on which mice were being included with the PC. The vast majority of PCs that shipped with mice shipped with symmetrical mice for this very reason. We're talking dating back to at least the 1980s. By default, the buttons were assigned so that the "main" click was the left button, so that obviously was meant for right-handed users, but even in the days of Windows 3.1 (and probably even earlier than that), most GUIs had the option to swap the buttons for left-handed people.

The whole "catering to left-handed people" schtick was Apple's own marketing around including only a single-button mouse with their computers, even after Mac OS itself gained contextual menus.

But yes, including a right-hand only mouse with a PC is not ideal. Most PC manufacturers didn't do this (many clone builders, on the other hand, often included the MS Intellimouse, probably because it was popular and MS was selling them to OEMs for very cheap - that meant lefties had to shell out for a different mouse).
I bought and brought my own. When we started with laptops, I got one "identical" to the laptop keyboard.
 
Looks like I was right that people who hate the Magic Mouse and who like so-called "ergonomic" Logitech mice really just want a flightstick. Look at that absurdity.

Have you tried one? I was skeptical too but it is supremely comfortable. These days I find myself preferring trackpads for gestures and such, but I do occasionally miss the Vertical.
 
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I LOVE MY MX MASTER 3S!!!! Best mouse I have ever used. Completely understandable if Cook had used it. I'm even using it right now! I love, love, love the mouse. If it wasn't apparent from my enthusiasm lol
 
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Looks like I was right that people who hate the Magic Mouse and who like so-called "ergonomic" Logitech mice really just want a flightstick. Look at that absurdity.
I absolutely agree. Using a mouse like that is a capital sin and should cost any user every ounce of Apple fan cred. Such a user should immediately be forced to remove any and all Apple stickers they may have on their car, laptop, or any other personal property and must immediately donate all of their "Think Different" posters to Max Tech so that it can be distributed only to proper Mac users. How dare someone sully their workflow with such an ugly piece of input device just because they'd rather go through life without an RSI.
 
I will use a Microsoft mechanical rollerball mouse before using any mouse ever made by Apple.
 
Why do so many people want to see an ugly port that they use just a few times a year?
Typical internet - can't actually tell if an idiotic post like this is actually serious or just taking the piss.

No port will ever be small enough that it won’t be ugly.
It also faces away from you at an angle that you can't see it. In fact, nobody can see it. Like here, here's my mouse from my normal perspective (MX Master 2s, same but different). Do you see the port on it? Because I don't.
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Here's the same mouse when viewed from the front.
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Damn that invisible port sure be ugly, don't it?

The design of the Magic Mouse is Apple at its best and I would be concerned if Apple someday followed the herd and made the port visible.
The Magic Mouse is peak Apple - that I will absolutely agree with you on. In fact, it might just be the best mouse Apple has ever designed. But that's kind of like saying that the Cybertruck is the best pickup truck Tesla ever designed.

Do Mac fans really want Apple to become more like Logitech?
When it comes to the one thing Logitech does far, far better than Apple - designing mice? Uhm, yes. Yes please.

As for ergonomics, you don’t want your wrist off the desk, which larger mice force you to do.
Well you're in luck, Chuck! Obsoive!

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See? All that nice mousy goodness and my wrist sitting nice and comfy on the desktop.
 
Many of the replies in this thread would suggest otherwise. We're all just different.
Well, it may be good for some but there's no doubt most mice out there, especially in that price range, look much more like they've been designed with a real human hand in mind and not some ideal of pure abstract symmetrical design. It is a form-over-function object.
 
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