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I'd give the MX Master 3S a try if it worked with Universal Control so I could just drag the cursor over from my MacBook to iPad and back like I can with my Magic Mouse.
 
The MX Master 3 had unbearable latency on my Macs.
The G603 mouse is great. Less capable but solid pointing, runs on AA batteries, easy to clean, no awful Logitech driver required.
 
I've had Logic Master MX 2S and 3S since the last maybe 8 years and I see absolutely no problem whatsoever with the smooth scrolling feature.
It`s probably got to do with the historically fantastic Mac Bluetooth solutions.

Suspect the Apple mouse isn`t as bad as portrayed, believe that got more to do with attempts to treat it like a ordinary mouse like Master MX. It`s not, and people have to adapt to how it is actually designed and stop massaging it to work in a manner not intended.

One has to adapt to the design or stay with the likes of MX.
 
Using a Logitech Anywhere 3S which suits me (and that is very personal, I know) way better than the Apple mouse.
Thing remains that the Logitech Options software is not a treat in itself and needs help by using Steermouse.

The Apple Magic mouse has one ergonomic treat that I miss every day: the touch area on front for vertical AND horizontal scrolling. But the low form factor of the Magic mouse makes me hate it.

The position of the charging port on the bottom seems not a real issue: you can get a coffee while charging and when back you can easily work again.
 
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I just want to say that the Magic Mouse is the most unergonomic mouse I've ever used.
Or maybe you just have wrong hands.
Here's a photograph of my hand, this is how they should look to work well with the Magic Mouse:
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It`s probably got to do with the historically fantastic Mac Bluetooth solutions.

Suspect the Apple mouse isn`t as bad as portrayed, believe that got more to do with attempts to treat it like a ordinary mouse like Master MX. It`s not, and people have to adapt to how it is actually designed and stop massaging it to work in a manner not intended.

One has to adapt to the design or stay with the likes of MX.
You are holding it wrong you mean? It is a mouse, how should we treat it? Turn it up-side-down to feed it apparently.
I really do not get Apple on this point: fantastic trackpad on the laptop, great laptop keyboard (forget about the butterfly disaster), but making a decent somewhat ergonomic mouse is too difficult...For decades. The hockypuck was another disaster.
The problem: form over function...
 
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Apple customer for 35 years. Apple design (and UX) fan here. Never had the magical mouse. It would make no sense to me to stop working if I have to charge my mouse.

I have charged my mx mouse so many time while working, it just becomes a wired mouse. It’s a non issue.

Btw, I love Apple extended keyboard, great design and experience. My muscle memory is so strong that I have to travel with it for work.
 
I mostly use the Magic Trackpad (or the trackpad on my MBP when I'm away from home so I don't really have a horse in this race, but a) the Magic Mouse is fine once you learn the gestures, which takes about a minute, and b) the charging port being on the bottom of the Magic Mouse is a non-issue that only people with small minds would take the time to complain about.

When you get the first message on-screen that the Magic Mouse battery is running low:

a. Make a mental note of this
b. Carry on as you were.
c. When you're done for the day, plug the Magic Mouse in to charge.
d. Go to bed when you normally do.
e. The next morning when you get up, unplug the Magic Mouse, and use normally for another 6-12 weeks.

Is this really that hard/inconvenient? Seriously?
Fine in this sense I would wager only really means a little better than acceptable.
I'll bet almost nobody out there that would call it great.
Had one for a while and then decided to be honest with myself and binned it.
 
You are holding it wrong you mean? It is a mouse, how should we treat it? Turn it up-side-down to feed it apparently.
I really do not get Apple on this point: fantastic trackpad on the laptop, great laptop keyboard (forget about the butterfly disaster), but making a decent somewhat ergonomic mouse is too difficult...For decades. The hockypuck was another disaster.
The problem: form over function...
I have just tried it and like many others, I have never adjusted my habits to take advantage of how it actually is intended to be used either. I`m a sinner. But I am a bit careful to bash it, as I haven`t really put an effort into such transition, and I believe that job has to be done to make it usable. I picture it more like a moveable trackpad than a typical mouse.

The track-point of Thinkpads have a similar issue. One has to adapt habits. I did that, and it is very efficient if typing a lot (I have switched off my trackpad on Thinkpads for years and wish it wasn`t there). Then again, I believe being fully proficient in using keyboard shortcuts is more efficient than mouse/pads for regular heavy text work. Combined with TrackPoint it is extremely efficient, much more so than a mouse.

If this was available in a lighted mac nomenclature edition I would get it straight away:
 
The MX Master 3 is wonderful, I bought one for home and I loved it so much I bought one for work as well, I do love the Magic Trackpad as well, but bearing in mind it is a personal view I believe the Magic Mouse to be an unmitigated steaming pile of doodoo with zero ergonomics that causes hand pain quicker than a brick being smashed into your knuckles. I tried one for a day, and it was a truly vile and uncomfortable experience.
 
In the end, the trackpad does everything the mouse can do but much, much better. It also has the added secret bonus of being an accurate pointing device as opposed to a game of how well you can follow the pointer around and hope you guess where it lands next.
 
I mostly use the Magic Trackpad (or the trackpad on my MBP when I'm away from home so I don't really have a horse in this race, but a) the Magic Mouse is fine once you learn the gestures, which takes about a minute, and b) the charging port being on the bottom of the Magic Mouse is a non-issue that only people with small minds would take the time to complain about.

When you get the first message on-screen that the Magic Mouse battery is running low:

a. Make a mental note of this
b. Carry on as you were.
c. When you're done for the day, plug the Magic Mouse in to charge.
d. Go to bed when you normally do.
e. The next morning when you get up, unplug the Magic Mouse, and use normally for another 6-12 weeks.

Is this really that hard/inconvenient? Seriously?
Or maybe just put the charging port how it’s supposed to be it’s not that hard
 
I just want to say that the Magic Mouse is the most unergonomic mouse I've ever used.
As a former owner who loves the aesthetics and doesn't mind the bottom-facing charging port, this is the single reason I ended up moving to Logitech's MX mice.

Ergonomics on the MX Master 2 and 3 also aren't amazing. But far(!) better than Magic Mouse.

Very happy I gave up on both the Magic Trackpad and Magic Mouse!
 
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When I buy a new Apple computer that has a mouse and keyboard, both go out in the trash.
 
The Logitech CEO should personally hand-deliver a stash of those mice to Tim at this point.
Considering the popularity of all Magic accessories, that wouldn't change a single thing.

I'm also pretty sure Apple's next step for the Magic Mouse is the hands-only gesture controls you'd get by pairing a Mac with Apple Vision Pro.

They suck now, yes. But as the product advances, and more AI is implemented, gesture controls on Apple Vision Pro could end up being just as precise and fast as mice and trackpads.

I wouldn't expect any updates to the Magic accessories beyond port and spec upgrades. They simply sell too well. And Apple is working on bigger things.
 
He uses EVERY Apple product EVERY day??? Rrriiiggghhhttt…
You can see him strolling around the campus wearing his Vision Pro headset and AirPods Max, with the AirPods Pro underneath. He also carries both Apple Pencils, one in each ear. He loves his iPhone 16 Pro Max but keeps a regular 16 and the SE in his pocket, just in case the four iPads he carries in his backpack die.
Back at his office, he uses 8 different Macs, each with dual monitors, to do the Sudoku puzzle in News+ while Silo plays in his Apple TV in a loop.
 
I'd give the MX Master 3S a try if it worked with Universal Control so I could just drag the cursor over from my MacBook to iPad and back like I can with my Magic Mouse.
It’s a feature of the two OSes, not mouse. It does work, with any mouse.
 
Why are we pretending Tim uses anything other than an iPhone? That man doesn't do any desk work.

Why are we pretending you have a clue what you're talking about? 🤣 Some evidence to back up that claim would be a good start, but I'm not holding my breath.

Everyone knows Tim is a numbers guy. If he really didn't use a Mac or spreadsheets that would really be quite the revelation.
 
I mostly use the Magic Trackpad (or the trackpad on my MBP when I'm away from home so I don't really have a horse in this race, but a) the Magic Mouse is fine once you learn the gestures, which takes about a minute, and b) the charging port being on the bottom of the Magic Mouse is a non-issue that only people with small minds would take the time to complain about.

When you get the first message on-screen that the Magic Mouse battery is running low:

a. Make a mental note of this
b. Carry on as you were.
c. When you're done for the day, plug the Magic Mouse in to charge.
d. Go to bed when you normally do.
e. The next morning when you get up, unplug the Magic Mouse, and use normally for another 6-12 weeks.

Is this really that hard/inconvenient? Seriously?
I still use the previous version of removable AA batteries, and I prefer it to the built in batteries. I like the Magic Mouse.
 
You need the Logitech software for more nuanced button assignments, such as changing what actions the buttons take per application. You do not need the software otherwise.

In macOS you can assign Mission Control, Show Desktop, and more to the extra buttons without any software at all. It's available in Settings (formerly System Preferences). I'm not on a Mac right now but I think it's Desktop & Dock and you scroll all the way to the bottom and one of the buttons there brings up a modal that allows you to assign the functions.

I should add that in Sequoia I'm experiencing an issue where on reboot those settings are cleared, but up until 15.0.x they were working (I haven't tried it in 15.1.0 yet).

Thank you so much for this, I wanted to get rid of the Logi software since forever, but with recent System Settings changes (layout and navigation tree) it has been difficult to find a lot of settings, even with the search function.

I will point out that the mouse button mapping ("Shortcut") to Mission Control and Show Desktop is somewhat buried: Desktop & Dock -> at the very bottom, the Shortcuts modal -> Then there are mouse sections with a selector for mouse buttons.
 
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The MX keyboard and mouse are both great, but Logitech’s software is the worst. If the software was just to enable the custom controls, maybe it would be better. Unfortunately, it’s a service that has grown over the years and takes a huge amount of system resources on the Mac and Windows. The almost daily updates don’t help. Then there’s the fact that many can’t install the software on work computers. It would be nice if they would have a simple option for using their devices.
 
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