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No Blu-ray. No buy. Simple as that.

Bought my brand new in a box Blu-ray player for $150.


You don't need it to come in a computer to get max enjoyment. In fact it's better off in my entertainment center complete with a decent remote.
 
nuckinfutz said:
Bought my brand new in a box Blu-ray player for $150.


You don't need it to come in a computer to get max enjoyment. In fact it's better off in my entertainment center complete with a decent remote.
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It's more convenient for it to be in your computer. Some people hook up their laptop to their HDTV. For me, it's the choice between having just a Blu Ray laptop and saving space and money or having to buy an HDTV and a Blu Ray player and a laptop. Plus Blu Ray in a computer is future-proof. It's much better to have than have not :cool: (but it should be an option, it's still too expensive)
 
Blu-ray is years ahead of where DVD was in terms of public adoption. Sony put BD burners in Vaios in 2005. iMovie has been HD capable since 2005. Steve Jobs joked that nobody wants to output to disc anymore when he launched iMovie 08.

Apple's problems with Blu-ray are neither technical nor licensing/financial. It's a religious belief that we'd much rather download from them than buy a permanent disc with 10x the quality.

Frankly, with quality of large screen televisions these days, anything less than 1080p Blu-ray simply isn't worth watching. Downloads are not keeping up with the technology. Mr Jobs might only watch his "high definition" on a 30" screen, but apparently nobody else does. 720p is for iPods, not the living room. (If you don't believe me, look where tv is on Apple's website, in with the iPods.)

I truly hope that SnowLeopard supports Blu-ray because the Mac is a joke when it comes to high definition. My local ALDI supermarket sells computers with Blu-ray, but Apple is still prevaricating about whether its time has come or not. Pathetic and frankly, unprofessional for a company with the vision of Apple. tv is not insanely great, not even inanely great, just a sad reflection of a religious belief in downloads, in the face of public demand (supermarkets are selling Blu-ray movies now, Mr Jobs).

HDMI 1.4 supports the next level of high def for the home - 4k. Wake up Apple!! I totally agree with the thread-starter on this one. I'm sure not buying a new Mac until it has Blu-ray.
 
albusseverus said:
Blu-ray is years ahead of where DVD was in terms of public adoption.
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Thanks to the runaway success of the DVD format. The children that grew up with DVD are acclimated to the physical disc plus the market is so much larger.

albusseverus said:
It's a religious belief that we'd much rather download from them than buy a permanent disc with 10x the quality.
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10x ??? Not on its best day.

albusseverus said:
Frankly, with quality of large screen televisions these days, anything less than 1080p Blu-ray simply isn't worth watching.
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Hyperbole. Most consumers wouldn't be able to pick the difference between 720p and 1080p on TV 46" and down with reliability.

albusseverus said:
I truly hope that SnowLeopard supports Blu-ray because the Mac is a joke when it comes to high definition.
HDMI 1.4 supports the next level of high def for the home - 4k. Wake up Apple!! I totally agree with the thread-starter on this one. I'm sure not buying a new Mac until it has Blu-ray.
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I'm sure your Mac sale will not be missed.
 
nuckinfutz said:
10x ??? Not on its best day.
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Easily, and that's at 40 Mb/s. I regularly get 49 Mb/s off BDs. What's your data rate for iTunes movies? They're 4 Mb/s, less than 1/3 of the quality/data rate of terrestrial digital television and less than a tenth the quality of Blu-ray.

I've never met anyone who couldn't see the Blu-ray quality difference on a 46"+ screen. It's the difference between all pixels sharp and patches of mpeg artefacts. Often people just don't care or it's not worth the money for them. As was DVD back in the day - "sure it's better, but I don't need it". And that's fine for them. If I'm going to sit down to watch a movie, I don't want to be distracted by artefacts.
 
There are big differences between downloading and instant watching or (online streaming).
And of course with these and a disc.
The online thing is supposed to be less expensive, but so far its quality is missing many things.
These 3 'ways' have their supporters and haters.
And depending on what quality means to you, or the rest of the world, these things are different.
It is obvious that many of us want Blu-ray support on our Macs.
But some only want to be able to read them, and many others would want to be able to burn them also.
In my case I would like to have everything, but unfortunately it isn't always possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgToMBdlApU

When at home I do prefer to watch my videos on my Blu-ray player, which by the way also streams Netflix watch instantly. The best I can have is from the Blu-ray = 7.1 audio, 1080p on a 40" screen.
Netflix streaming depending on what is available sometimes I get excellent video quality ,but the audio is lacking perfection.
When I am traveling out of the country, my iPhone is my video player = rip DVDs, free podcasts, I hear in stereo.
For those that want to watch a Blu-ray on an airplane on a 13", 15" or 17" MacBook, you are not really getting all of it, listening a stereo soundtrack? Or are you carrying with you also your set of speakers?

In my priorities list, I would prefer is to have free Wi-Fi internet service on the airplane, and be able to enjoy all the free content available nowadays, and 2nd to that the Blu-ray on my Mac.
 
McGiord said:
In my priorities list, I would prefer is to have free Wi-Fi internet service on the airplane, and be able to enjoy all the free content available nowadays, and 2nd to that the Blu-ray on my Mac.
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Good luck getting Apple to put free wi-fi on planes(??)

Point is, many people object to paying for the Blu-ray and having to pay again to watch it on their computer. Some BDs come with digital copies, some aren't even Windows-only (Warner Bros!). But frankly, I've got the disc for sit-up home theatre viewing, for the occasions I want to just put it in my Mac and watch it before I go to sleep. I don't want to waste hard drive space on -another- copy (official digital copy or ripped). Others may want to rip their BDs for iPods, and I gather, they do result in better colour, dynamic range etc.

Then there's creating your own Blu-rays - say from iMovie HD - reason enough for Apple to have BD drives, whether or not they play back Hollywood movies. Or in my case I do high resolution surround audio recordings and would like to output to Blu-ray. I'm sure others can come up with other uses - HD filmmakers, etc.

In short, DVD and downloading are so last century. Apple needs to catch up and support 2005 technology. Some of us have moved on. Seriously, who would be happy with DVD or download quality nowadays, if they weren't getting it for 'free' off the internet. Support people who pay for your product, Mr Steve Pixar Jobs!
 
albusseverus said:
Good luck getting Apple to put free wi-fi on planes(??)
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I don't know where I wrote that I expect Apple to give us free Wi-Fi services on airplanes...

Like you wrote Discs are 2005....we need 2010+ stuff.

Why a 3rd party company hasn't come up with a product to fill this void?
Or there is something out there that does it?....Please post if you know.
 
panzer06 said:
I know! I spent a year carrying my Mac and a Sony FW everywhere and it was very annoying. After a long drive and several meetings it was nice to play a game and watch a BR movie on the Hyatt Place 40" LCD but carrying two laptops (especially when I had to fly, I drive most of the time) was just too annoying. If someone would sell a slim 12.7.. external BR drive I would use it in Bootcamp. Then I would only have Apple's poor implementation of displayport (standard which supports audio and video like like HDMI) to deal with. Even with my mini-displayport to HDMI adapter, the uMBP does not output audio under OS X or Windows.

The single biggest impediment to BR on a Mac laptop has nothing to do with licensing. The fact that no 9.5mm BR drives exists make such an option impossible except as an external solution using the plentiful 12.7mm alternatives. Apple's obsession with thin laptops means any BR drive for a Mac will be very expensive (just like it is much more expensive to replace the Superdrives in Mac laptops (except the classic MBP 17" which used 12.7mm drives).

Even with all this I use my computer more for work and carrying 2 laptops was a pain so back to a single Mac I must go. In the meantime I wholeheatedly support the portion of the community that wants to see BR on the Mac!

Cheers,
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Okay, your point was well taken accept there's a flaw in your point which I've highlighted. If Apple's notebooks are too thin to stick in a Blu-ray drive then why doesn't the Mac Pro or the iMac have Blu-ray? Apple has said that they have licensing issues with Blu-ray. Whether it's more than just that we'll never know but if size is the real issue as you mention then the Mac Pro should have it and iMac as well.

Also, as much as I support you and anyone else that would decide on a Mac over any Windows machine you still didn't answer my question as to why you decided to give up your Sony Vaio with Blu-ray and HDMI port in favor of a Macbook that has none of this. ;)
 
Actually I saw a 9.5 mm Blu Ray drive on Engadget a while ago. I don't know if it's in production, but it wasn't slot loading. There are 12.7 mm slot loading drives. It'd be nice to offer it as an option, even if it's not slot load. Or if it's slot load, make the whole laptop 3 mm thicker, I certainly wouldn't care. Of course, I emphasize that it should be an option, right now not everyone wants it, but some do.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/27/panasonic-whittles-thinnest-blu-ray-drive-for-laptops-down-to-9/
 
Apple will eventually adopt Blu-Ray. Until then, those who want it on MAC will just have to wait. There is always the smarter solution of getting an external BRD-ROM and using it with Bootcamp.

I had a nice Blu-Ray drive for my tower PC and used it a total of three times to watch two movies (one of them twice). :rolleyes:
 
albusseverus said:
Easily, and that's at 40 Mb/s. I regularly get 49 Mb/s off BDs. What's your data rate for iTunes movies? They're 4 Mb/s, less than 1/3 of the quality/data rate of terrestrial digital television and less than a tenth the quality of Blu-ray.
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Most BRD movies are encoded at variable bit-rates and usually average around 15-30. http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=3338

Where did you pull that 49mbps number from?

In any event, higher bit-rate does not always equal better quality. Some of the highest bit-rate stuff are done with mediocre codec optimization.

And yes, I can clearly see the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD. The improvement is 2.073 million pixels versus 345,600 = exactly 6 times the resolution, not anywhere near "10x."
 
Blu-ray is far from a dead media, give me a break. But it is not quite ready for primetime burning on a computer. When you can get Blu-ray recordables for a dime and have easy means to copy Blu-rays, then every computer will have them.
 
Black Belt said:
Blu-ray is far from a dead media, give me a break. But it is not quite ready for primetime burning on a computer. When you can get Blu-ray recordables for a dime and have easy means to copy Blu-rays, then every computer will have them.
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As long as there is an optical drive, it might as well be Blu-ray (at least as BTO). I haven't seen anybody saying the MBA should have one, only the products that already have optical.

As for the "obsolete" argument (which is not valid anyway), which is more obsolete? A DVD capable Blu-ray drive or the DVD only drive Apple already ships with its computer lines? With BR there aren't any compromises or concessions. If you still want to use DVDs that is fine, if you still want streaming or digital downloads that is fine, those don't go away with BR, it's not either/or, it is both.
 
applebook said:
Not when better BRD versions are out. Why would anyone want to watch The Matrix on DVD when it can be seen on BRD? :confused:
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Not quite true, BR players can upscale too and make the DVD experience better, agreed it will not be BR standards.

Apple are lagging behind to embrace BR and Netbooks, but we are not stupid on these forums and know that they are working on both and when they release them they will be the best in the market, like most things. In the meantime we have a choice with external BR drives, but anyone wishing to watch BR on a screen less than 32" is wasting their time and money and you are out of your mind wishing to watch BR on a laptop screen... move nothing to see here.... move on.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Because since I already have a legal copy of a film, I am lax to be forced to purchase it again. Thus, I have no Blu-ray films.

The law can be interpreted in many ways.
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What about the new movies that come out? Are you telling me you continue purchase an old technology in DVDs?
 
bbadalucco said:
What about the new movies that come out? Are you telling me you continue purchase an old technology in DVDs?
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News flash: Blu-ray is an old, worthless technology! Optical media DIED the second that NAND flash began existing. Now we even have holographic media that puts NAND out of business.

I'll rephrase it: I do not buy any optical media whatsoever.

Addendum: If there is a movie I wish to see that I cannot legally download, I will buy the HD DVD of it. No exceptions. Blu-ray died before it was born.

Don't give me this "Blu-ray is gorgeous" crap. I've seen Super Hi-Vision, and it killed me for 1080p, just like 1080p killed me for DVD quality film.
 
Tallest Skil said:
News flash: Blu-ray is an old, worthless technology! Optical media DIED the second that NAND flash began existing. Now we even have holographic media that puts NAND out of business.

I'll rephrase it: I do not buy any optical media whatsoever.

Addendum: If there is a movie I wish to see that I cannot legally download, I will buy the HD DVD of it. No exceptions. Blu-ray died before it was born.

Don't give me this "Blu-ray is gorgeous" crap. I've seen Super Hi-Vision, and it killed me for 1080p, just like 1080p killed me for DVD quality film.
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They don't sell HD DVD anymore because unlike blu ray it really did die. I'm not saying I'm a promoter of blu ray, but optical Media is not dead, I'm not sure how you can even say that.

I bet less than 1% of the population even know what holographic media is, so thats not even worth mentioning...we won't see "holographic" media in bestbuy anytime soon. Also downloading movies is still years away as it takes forever, and internet providers will put a cap on our monthly usage.

You may have a point on some of the things you said, but you should probably wait 5-10 years.
 
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