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No Blu-ray. No buy. Simple as that.

Kebabselector said:
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How many people hook up a laptop to watch a film? Surely if you have a TV you'll have a media device permanently installed underneath? Wouldn't you?
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What is wrong with the naysayers? For those of us who have a large Bluray collection, (there are more than you think), we want to take our movies with us when we travel! I travel a lot for business and don't like being limited to our DVD collection, since we've only purchased Bluray movies for over a year.

And yes, I hook up the player in every Hyatt Place hotel (they all have HDTVs in every room with convenient HDMI connections) so I do need Bluray on my laptop. It is the only thing I miss on my now sold Sony Vaio. I love my Macs, but Apple really needs to get with the program and offer a Bluray option (I know there are no 9.5mm Bluray drives but perhaps a 12.7mm external option would work until there are).

Cheers,
 
akm3 said:
NO LASERDISC NO BUY!
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Amen!

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OK I am disgusted.

If APPLE does not include an 8" Floppy Disk Drive in the 13" Macbook Pro I will never ever buy one ..... NOT EVER !!!!!!!!

Oh yeah and a TAPE BACKUP DRIVE would be nice too !!!!!!

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BlueRay dics are nice to have.
So far I need at least a 40" screen to watch them.
If you could do that with your Mac great, but they need to include the audio output in the DisplayPort to make it really a single cable connection.
Current alternatives are too cumbersome.
So far I prefer to watch my BluRay discs on my BluRay player.

"Shelving discs with data is like doing manuscript copies of the bible."
McGiord
 
McGiord said:
use virtualbox, and run windoze...or linux...or whatever to watch your BluRay dics...
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So convenient that SJ could probably use it in his next keynote:

Now Mac does Blu-ray too. Just purchase a pricey full version copy of Windows, run Boot Camp Assistant, spend several hours installing and updating Windows, being careful not to delete the Mac partition, then go and spend more money on an external Blu-ray drive that you'll have to lug around with you... and have bags of fun with on an airplane tray table! It just works! It is so much easier than just popping in a disc and the movie autoplaying. In fact, it is easy in the same way of how you had to manually write down and reenter URLs and other information on the iPhone for almost 2 years and expensive in the way of how you had to rebuy FireWire devices with the aluminum MacBook because we omitted a FireWire port that probably would have cost us less than $1 to include (licensing and all).
 
"What is wrong with the naysayers? For those of us who have a large Bluray collection, (there are more than you think), we want to take our movies with us when we travel! I travel a lot for business and don't like being limited to our DVD collection, since we've only purchased Bluray movies for over a year."

You're pointing out the exact reasons why I ditched physical media about 5 years ago.

Get with the times dude, stop carrying plastic disks around. Do you know how many 1080p rips you can carry around with you on a 500GB harddisk?

Regards,
Simon
 
simonpickard said:
"What is wrong with the naysayers? For those of us who have a large Bluray collection, (there are more than you think), we want to take our movies with us when we travel! I travel a lot for business and don't like being limited to our DVD collection, since we've only purchased Bluray movies for over a year."

You're pointing out the exact reasons why I ditched physical media about 5 years ago.

Get with the times dude, stop carrying plastic disks around. Do you know how many 1080p rips you can carry around with you on a 500GB harddisk?

Regards,
Simon
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So, how is media on a hard disk not physical media?
 
"So, how is media on a hard disk not physical media?"

Wow you REALLY took the time to post that?

I think (at least hope) you understood my meaning of physical media, and how it differs from the convenience of having said media stored on a drive.
 
joeshell383 said:
I don't need all the fanboys telling me why I don't need BR. Will optical media go away at some point? Likely. Will BR be the last major optical media format? Perhaps. However, BR is set to be a viable standard for years. The bottom line is no BR, no buy.

1. I want soft and hard backups. Time Machine is good as an interim backup solution, but I'll need to do periodic full backups of my media and other important files to be able to store permanently. DVD doesn't cut it.

2. I want to be able to burn HD content and read HD media and data from others as they adopt BR.

3. I'm starting my BR collection in the living room. When I'm packing for travel, I want to be able to take a disc from my living room and throw it in my bag. NOT take my credit card out of my wallet and hand Apple money for a slow-to-download, inferior quality, rental of a MOVIE I ALREADY OWN. Plus, what if I want to lend or sell a movie? What if I want to take it to a friend's house? What if I'm in a rush and can't wait for downloading?

The fact that Apple is on the BR Board of Directors makes the situation even more embarrassing for Apple. WWDC would have been a great venue to start offering Blu-ray. SL testers could have downloaded a new BR movie playback capable seed to use on their new MBPs with BR, tested BR movie playback over the summer, and helped Apple ready built-in BR movie playback support for the general public with SL in September. All Apple would have needed to do was put an asterisk next to BR in the feature list stating that movie playback support would be offered with the final version of SL.

It is pathetic. It is past due and it has come to no BR, no buy.
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buy an acer if apple dont make something that suits your needs no one is forcing you to buy apple. however i know how much of a draw OSX can be having made the jump about 2 years ago. just a thuaght but if everyone is adopting blue ray then surley your friends will have blue ray players, instead of ripping the discs and taking them as data files, can you just take the disc? as for backing up, you would need to do things effectivley ie. periodic backups in seperate location inside fireproof boxes, hardives die, discs get scratched, so maybe thing twice about putting all of your data in one place, i know i have pictures i cannot loose, so i have them on a reliable hardrive that i dont use for much else.

ps forgive teh spelling mistakes

thleeal
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Blu ray in the mac

Blu Ray is an elite media type right now. Hell, after working with pro video for years and seeing how many people buy/use blu ray, I'm not worried.

• HD video will go digital stream via internet shortly and it will be 30 mb/sec.
However, bandwidth on existing networks throughout the US/CANADA/Europe will have to be upgraded to our Eastern neighbors. The price on data transfer MUST drop. As of now it is prohibitive.
• blu ray will become a replacement for ALL data storage. Disc media must drop in order for the market interest to become larger. As of now to produce blu ray discs at home is cost prohibitive to the consumer.

However without Apple having the native Blu Ray playback function, including a blu ray drive won't make sense now would it. Sony is the owner of all blu ray playback software and encoding.

I have an external blu ray recorder. I use it sparingly.
 
"blu ray will become a replacement for ALL data storage."

You really think a disk based format is going to be able to compete with cloud based online storage?

You think people are going to buy and use blu ray when more and more of the following services are going to be around shortly?

http://www.livedrive.com/
 
panzer06 said:
What is wrong with the naysayers? For those of us who have a large Bluray collection, (there are more than you think), we want to take our movies with us when we travel! I travel a lot for business and don't like being limited to our DVD collection, since we've only purchased Bluray movies for over a year.

And yes, I hook up the player in every Hyatt Place hotel (they all have HDTVs in every room with convenient HDMI connections) so I do need Bluray on my laptop. It is the only thing I miss on my now sold Sony Vaio. I love my Macs, but Apple really needs to get with the program and offer a Bluray option (I know there are no 9.5mm Bluray drives but perhaps a 12.7mm external option would work until there are).

Cheers,
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I gotcha point somewhat man, BUT it's hard to completely see your point when you are sorta contradicting yourself and doing exactly what Apple knows their customers will do. You dumped your BRD equipped Sony Vaio in favor of a Macbook without BRD. You mentioned you NEED Blu-Ray on your laptop but you went for an Apple when they don't have it. :confused:

Apple will not implement BRD into their Macs due to licensing issues, but then again why should they when they know people (like you) will buy their Macs regardless? I'm only going by the computer listed in your signature as to why I wrote this post.
 
joeshell383 said:
I don't need all the fanboys telling me why I don't need BR. Will optical media go away at some point? Likely. Will BR be the last major optical media format? Perhaps. However, BR is set to be a viable standard for years. The bottom line is no BR, no buy.

1. I want soft and hard backups. Time Machine is good as an interim backup solution, but I'll need to do periodic full backups of my media and other important files to be able to store permanently. DVD doesn't cut it.

2. I want to be able to burn HD content and read HD media and data from others as they adopt BR.

3. I'm starting my BR collection in the living room. When I'm packing for travel, I want to be able to take a disc from my living room and throw it in my bag. NOT take my credit card out of my wallet and hand Apple money for a slow-to-download, inferior quality, rental of a MOVIE I ALREADY OWN. Plus, what if I want to lend or sell a movie? What if I want to take it to a friend's house? What if I'm in a rush and can't wait for downloading?

The fact that Apple is on the BR Board of Directors makes the situation even more embarrassing for Apple. WWDC would have been a great venue to start offering Blu-ray. SL testers could have downloaded a new BR movie playback capable seed to use on their new MBPs with BR, tested BR movie playback over the summer, and helped Apple ready built-in BR movie playback support for the general public with SL in September. All Apple would have needed to do was put an asterisk next to BR in the feature list stating that movie playback support would be offered with the final version of SL.

It is pathetic. It is past due and it has come to no BR, no buy.
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Call it what you want but blu-ray is not as widely used as you think it is.

When disks come down in price, and licensing becomes a non-nightmare (look it up once! Steve Jobs was right it IS a nightmare!) then I think blu-ray will be more widely adopted. Unfortunately unless compared side by side most people can't tell the difference between dvd and blu ray.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
Windows 7 boots faster then OS X 10.5 does, Windows 7 provides better program compatibility with the apps I use, and Windows 7, running on a Macbook Pro, runs cooler and gets better battery life then OS X 10.5.7.
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On a newly formatted MBP my boot times are as follows:

Windows 7 - 41 secs
Mac OS X 10.5.7 - 23 secs

In addition, it is 100% true that over time, Windows will become more bloated and suffer from more slow downs than OS X.

Furthermore, comparing Windows 7 to Mac OS X 10.5.7 is nonsensical. In terms of major releases, Windows 7 should only be compared to Mac OS X 10.6, and in this case, the latter is significantly faster on my hardware.

As for battery life, I get around 6 hours on my MBP in 10.5.7 with web browsing and Mail. In Windows 7, on the same hardware, I get about 5.1 hours. To make this comparison fair, I enabled the 9600M GT on 10.5.7.

Finally, the first time I noticed my MBP temp getting noticeably warm to touch was during normal web browsing and email in Windows 7 RC.

I can't speak for your preferred apps and their compatibility, but you would have known this prior to purchase and can't really blame the OS for not meeting your needs in this area.

To be honest, the mere fact that you base your argument on a comparison of an 18 month old OS (OS X Leopard) to one that has yet to be even released (Windows 7) and come to the conclusion that the latter is 'better', makes your whole argument null and void.
 
thleeal said:
buy an acer
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Many want Blu-ray for their Macs since it is currently the best video available.

if just a thuaght but if everyone is adopting blue ray then surley your friends will have blue ray players, instead of ripping the discs and taking them as data files, can you just take the disc?
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Not as convenient. It's much more convenient for some to get their Blu-rays on disc and transcode them to MKV or M4V containers that are smaller in size and also integrate better with their home theater systems.

things effectivley ie. periodic backups in seperate location inside fireproof boxes, hardives die, discs get scratched,
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I have never had a back-up CD or DVD fail or get scratched or smudged once its been put in its jewel case. I have Time Machine backups and I have DVD backups (and soon Blu-ray) at remote locations for critical material. Blu-ray isn't as cost effective ATM, but it is more convenient.

chrono1081 said:
Call it what you want but blu-ray is not as widely used as you think it is.
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But it is, without a doubt, the current best quality audio and video available to consumers. Those of us who enjoy home theaters simply want the ability to view these Blu-rays without jumping through a lot of hoops (which has recently become significantly easier, I might add).

Unfortunately unless compared side by side most people can't tell the difference between dvd and blu ray.
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I am stunned that you have made this assertion. The difference is stark, unless you're watching it on a 480p screen...
 
HLdan said:
I gotcha point somewhat man, BUT it's hard to completely see your point when you are sorta contradicting yourself and doing exactly what Apple knows their customers will do. You dumped your BRD equipped Sony Vaio in favor of a Macbook without BRD. You mentioned you NEED Blu-Ray on your laptop but you went for an Apple when they don't have it. :confused:

Apple will not implement BRD into their Macs due to licensing issues, but then again why should they when they know people (like you) will buy their Macs regardless? I'm only going by the computer listed in your signature as to why I wrote this post.
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I know! I spent a year carrying my Mac and a Sony FW everywhere and it was very annoying. After a long drive and several meetings it was nice to play a game and watch a BR movie on the Hyatt Place 40" LCD but carrying two laptops (especially when I had to fly, I drive most of the time) was just too annoying. If someone would sell a slim 12.7.. external BR drive I would use it in Bootcamp. Then I would only have Apple's poor implementation of displayport (standard which supports audio and video like like HDMI) to deal with. Even with my mini-displayport to HDMI adapter, the uMBP does not output audio under OS X or Windows.

The single biggest impediment to BR on a Mac laptop has nothing to do with licensing. The fact that no 9.5mm BR drives exists make such an option impossible except as an external solution using the plentiful 12.7mm alternatives. Apple's obsession with thin laptops means any BR drive for a Mac will be very expensive (just like it is much more expensive to replace the Superdrives in Mac laptops (except the classic MBP 17" which used 12.7mm drives).

Even with all this I use my computer more for work and carrying 2 laptops was a pain so back to a single Mac I must go. In the meantime I wholeheatedly support the portion of the community that wants to see BR on the Mac!

Cheers,
 
I agree that they should really add a Blu Ray option for the next generation of Macs. I don't buy the download argument, many of us have limited internet options, and most of us don't have the fast internet connections that will be necessary for practical HD movie downloading or streaming. It would take me a whole week nonstop to download 50 Gb of data (the most a single blu ray disc could hold). My neighborhood might be upgraded with fiber soon, don't know because our telephone lines are buried and Verizon seems to have a problem with buried lines.

More importantly though, I'm cheap :) so I won't buy into Blu-ray for a while. But it's something I would look into in getting a new computer because it's future-proof.

Now I think it will be the last physical format, and I think downloads will be the future. But we'll probably have at least 10 years of Blu-ray before it's abandoned.
 
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