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No Blu-ray. No buy. Simple as that.
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Sir I'm gonna kindly ask you not to talk about my cat
Though I'd say my post is a bit hipocritical. I own almost 300 movies ...most in HD. I'm a movie fan but I believe there should be some separation between computers and media.
Though I'd never state that Blu-ray or even DVD should be banished I find it a bit odd that someone makes the inclusion of a Blu-ray player a "must have" for a computer.
I watch movies on the best system I can afford. While watching on the computer is possible it's far from taking advantage of the superior sound and picture that Blu-ray offers.
If you have a 24" LCD 720p should be very close to 1080p. In fact my HDTV can only resolve 720p but recent HD movies look fantastic. It's really about how the film was made and what equipment was used.
http://handbrake.fr/stats.php?fileset=HandBrake+0.9.3
I doubt that all those Handbrake downloads are so people can just take up more hard drive space.
First, I said those who own DVDs and uses a computer for watching them. Second, your assertion is purely subjective opinion. Can you provide any objective evidence to substantiate your position?
And again, you're just asserting personal opinion without evidence. Not only that, you are misinterpreting or misquoting me (or both). Please reread what I stated.
I'd like to think that a lot of people do rip their movies and from your post I was optimistic. At our team's meeting after it was done and we were just talking (oddly enough) about bluray I asked how many people rip their own movies to their computer. Of the 16 people there, 4 knew what I was talking about (as in they said "do you mean copy them to your computer"?) but had never done it and the other 12 were quite confused by the question haha
Neither study is scientific and I'm being just as bad as everyone else here making assumptions but I would confidently bet that less than half of computer users are doing this and would likely bet it's less than 25%... who knows though.
edit: Just read your post, and I agree that you were only talking about people that watch DVDs on their computer so I understand what you're getting at... I think (here we go assuming again) people were thrown off by saying a "huge amount".
I don't know, either - but I freely admit that mine is speculation, thus the Porsche comment. But it is clear by the number of DVD ripping apps out there (free and for sale) that the market supports them, thus a substantial number of people are doing it. In addition, the fact that Handbrake is getting 4,000,000 to 5,000,000 downloads a month also indicates a number of people are ripping.
Particularly those who travel a lot. Right now, my MBP has 9 movies on it (3 of which are Blu-ray rips) and my iPod has about 15 movies on it.
You're right - I should have said "huge number" to be grammatically correct.
But seriously, I think if half a million people are dl'ing Handbrake each month, there's a whole lot of ripping going on...Oh really? You said, and I quote: "Not scientific for sure, but I suspect most people who own computers and watch a lot of DVDs have ripped one or two."
Yes, you said that most people who own computers and watch a lot of DVDs have ripped. Um, where did you indicate watching them on the computer? You didn't. My dad owns hundreds of dvd's, and a computer. He doesn't rip. And based on your original comment, which I quoted, he falls into the category. But if you modify your statement and indicate that you mean watching them on the computer, he no longer fits in that category. So why don't you reread what you stated...
The part I was referring to was "a lot". Again, without any controlled polling there's no way to know for sure. I admit it, why can't you?
Any poll on the web would be bias, as people here are obviously more tech savvy. The fact that you think your average computer owner knows how to rip movies is silly, and I continue to stand by that. Almost all of my friends are not technical, and none of them know how to rip. Your average customer, regardless of how large their dvd collection, will not know how to rip dvd's. It simply isn't a common thing your every-day customer does.
I'm not upgrading my Mac Pro or Final Cut Studio until Blu-ray is supported. If it won't be supported I'm either going to stick with what I have and invest in Windows software through bootcamp or look at a completely new option.
My clients want Blu-ray and I want Blu-ray so Apple needs to offer it as an option in order for me to give more of my money to Apple.
If you would like to see Blu-ray support please provide feedback to Apple
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
And sign this petition (I didn't have to create an account for my signature to be recorded - just junk email address).
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/applebluray/
I know Apple wants our money from iTunes purchases but I want 1080p, my saved Hard Drive space, a physical backup (on an optical disc), the ability to backup to an optical disc, and provide my clients who want blu-ray what they want. Don't trade off for Blu-ray just add the option please.
My clients want Blu-ray and I want Blu-ray so Apple needs to offer it as an option in order for me to give more of my money to Apple.
If you would like to see Blu-ray support please provide feedback to Apple
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
And sign this petition (I didn't have to create an account for my signature to be recorded - just junk email address).
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/applebluray/
I know Apple wants our money from iTunes purchases but I want 1080p, my saved Hard Drive space, a physical backup (on an optical disc), the ability to backup to an optical disc, and provide my clients who want blu-ray what they want. Don't trade off for Blu-ray just add the option please.
I'm not going to sign any petition that seeks to support a format that has 4 freaking forms of DRM.
BD+
AACS
ROM Mark
AACS Managed copy
Now to be fair if Apple's not going to deliver a solution that allows producers to deliver HD content in glorious 1080p without downloading then people have the right to complain.
I'm just not keen on getting served a **** sandwich and being told I gotta like it because that's the market.
Optical drives are old technology. I'm not saying we gotta go with strictly downloads but we need a file format that is open and can be played across multiple OS. It also needs DRM that can be added at the expense of the producer or the ability to distribute with no DRM.
And for chrissakes no Java!!!
I feel your pain I really do.
Apple either support Blu-ray or spearhead a better solution. I'll withhold a signature until I get better clarification of what Apple intends to do. There's gotta be a better solution.
This is the worst of all as it permits modification of the operating system. I think that's Apple's biggest issue with Blu-ray video discs - it allows the disc to modify the OS.
Yes ..most people aren't really thinking about this from both sides. Microsoft was more than happy add Blu-ray and accept the DRM terms because Microsoft LOVES DRM (Palladium, Genuine Advantage, WMV licenses etc) plus they obviously go the AACS kickback with their DRM support for Managed Copy.
Don't people find it ridiculous that the TOS service for Blu-ray pressing stipulates that you cannot ship a discs without AACS encryption. You may be creating a documentary that you wish to be freely distributed and like Michael Moore did allow people to copy and widely distribute.
With Blu-ray's ToS you are compelled to purchase (it ain't free folks) AACS encryption. Who are they tell you as a producer what level of protection you offer for your content?
There needs to be another solution. The only reason why people are bleating about Blu-ray support is in fact because we need a format that Indies can use to safely distribute their content without bending over and getting reamed by these consortiums that cater to Hollywood and the Major Distributors.
Apple needs to realize that getting in bed with Hollywood will only leave them with a STD. They need to do an end around and fast. You need a legit container that works across multiple media types. Red Laser, Flash, Internet and more. This way if you're a producer and your client needs a hard copy in HD you can deliver on optical or SDHC card or whatever.
The container would contain data like an mkv file and more and DRM would be optional.
Screw Blu-ray...they don't give a damn about our best interest. I just bought my player and now they're telling me that I have to buy another one to get Managed Copy? And their servers will be watching my every move.
+1
Blue ray was just a fad, like vests... there's nothing wrong with them, and there still are a few floating around but they really aren't all they were made out to be.
Besides, a DVD can hold 4.7gb per disk, and thats one of the cheap $20 per pack of 50 ones. The better ones can hold a hellofa lot more-especially the double sided ones.
But if you really feel you NEEED a blue ray computer
just get a playstation 3 (ahahahah )Thats BS. I can hear the difference between 320kbps mp3 and lossless / wav that has lots of detail in the music and this is on a set of $400 usher S520 speakers. You dont need mega dollar stuff to hear the difference. You have to know what you're looking for and when you do, you can spot it all the time.
I even did a test on my little sister and had her sit down and listen. I switched between an MP3 at 320 and WAV both playing at the same volume and ripped from the same disk....playing through a squeezebox and out to my stereo. I didnt say which is which. I just asked which sounded better. She said the first track which was WAV. She said she didnt even have to think very hard about it. It just sounded better. Thats not even someone who's an audiophile or what have you. Just a normal person listening to a track they are not even familiar with....
I even did a test on my little sister and had her sit down and listen. I switched between an MP3 at 320 and WAV both playing at the same volume and ripped from the same disk....playing through a squeezebox and out to my stereo. I didnt say which is which. I just asked which sounded better. She said the first track which was WAV. She said she didnt even have to think very hard about it. It just sounded better. Thats not even someone who's an audiophile or what have you. Just a normal person listening to a track they are not even familiar with....
I was going to post that I don't believe you, I don't believe you truly had the volumes level matched, and that I would bet sizeable amounts of money you couldn't statistically perform that feat in a laboratory setting...But then I realized it would be a waste of time.
While I understand why Apple isn't supporting BD but there is a massive difference on a decent hdtv/receiver combo vs DVD.
Of course you aren't going to notice the difference on a Goldstar LCD with only the built in speakers but watch Band of Brothers on Blu with 5.1/7.1 and tell me you can't see/hear the difference.
Until you can stream/download the same quality 20+Mb/s video with uncompressed PCM/DTS Master/TrueHD I will be happy to stick with my inferior and outdated physical media.
Of course you aren't going to notice the difference on a Goldstar LCD with only the built in speakers but watch Band of Brothers on Blu with 5.1/7.1 and tell me you can't see/hear the difference.
Until you can stream/download the same quality 20+Mb/s video with uncompressed PCM/DTS Master/TrueHD I will be happy to stick with my inferior and outdated physical media.
While I understand why Apple isn't supporting BD but there is a massive difference on a decent hdtv/receiver combo vs DVD.
Of course you aren't going to notice the difference on a Goldstar LCD with only the built in speakers but watch Band of Brothers on Blu with 5.1/7.1 and tell me you can't see/hear the difference.
Until you can stream/download the same quality 20+Mb/s video with uncompressed PCM/DTS Master/TrueHD I will be happy to stick with my inferior and outdated physical media.
Cool but a computer just isn't the proper host to take advantage of such magnificent specs.
Your arguement would hold water if they were for two seperate devices, but its the same device at the same level playing back two files which are ripped using the same software from the same source. There is no change in volume levels. There is no level adjustment when being ripped either. I'm not sure if you know what a squeezebox is but it can play lossy and lossless. In this case, lossy was Lame encoded MP3 @ 320kbps and lossless is WAV.
The optical out from the squeezebox goes to an external DAC which goes to a preamp / poweramp combo. The squeezebox's outputs are always at 100% and the level is adjusted via the preamp. It cannot be accidentally changed remotely either because its an old preamp so there is no remote. You just set it and sit down and do your test.
Maybe someone with tin ears might have a hard time picking out an mp3 but its actually not that hard. I find cymbals to be the thing that reveal MP3's the best.
Lastly it doenst matter if you believe me or not. I dont really care. I can hear the difference and I tested it on my little sis and she heard it too without knowing which was which. She just told me which was the better sounding track and it was the WAV one.
The optical out from the squeezebox goes to an external DAC which goes to a preamp / poweramp combo. The squeezebox's outputs are always at 100% and the level is adjusted via the preamp. It cannot be accidentally changed remotely either because its an old preamp so there is no remote. You just set it and sit down and do your test.
Maybe someone with tin ears might have a hard time picking out an mp3 but its actually not that hard. I find cymbals to be the thing that reveal MP3's the best.
Lastly it doenst matter if you believe me or not. I dont really care. I can hear the difference and I tested it on my little sis and she heard it too without knowing which was which. She just told me which was the better sounding track and it was the WAV one.
Well, this all depends. Especially with movies, if the distributor goes through the trouble (and cost) of rescanning the master film print at high resolution and outputting it at 1080p, it is very possible to see a visible difference in a Blu-ray version. Unfortunately, this doesn't happen as often as it should. A lot of Blu-ray transfers are merely upscales of the same masters that went to DVD and hence offer very little visible improvement. And that's where one can get angry (and rightfully so) for paying $30 for a Blu-ray version of the same DVD they bought for $15.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/new...Up_91_Percent_in_US_–_DVD_Sales_Slipping/3089
*Emphasis added*
July 2009
Blu-ray and Digital Distribution help stabilize home entertainment numbers.
According to the Digital Entertainment Group’s midyear report, Blu-ray sales are up a whopping 91 percent to $407 million. And in accordance, retailers are getting more and more Blu-Ray, about 50 percent more than the previous year. Digitally distributed content shot up another 21percent as well, to $968 million, which includes around $200 million for electronic sell through.
On the other hand, the industry as a whole, which consists of DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and digital distribution, slipped by 3.9 percent to a total of $9.73 billion. DVD sales are clearly slipping, with Blu-ray and digitally distributed content helping to fill the void.
Perhaps the argument between Blu-ray and digital distribution is moot; with DVD on the decline, they’ve both got plenty of room to grow before there’s a need to split the market.
All of this in a down economy! Oh yeah, and before someone says "Up from what?", here's that information:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41003/98/
In 2008 there were 10.7 million Blu-ray capable players in the United States, including 6 million Sony PlayStation 3 units. In the same three-year timeframe after release, DVD players in the 1990s totaled only 5.4 million.
Surpassing the adoption rate of DVDs, CDs and HDTVs (as well as several other common household technologies), Blu-Ray sales topped 28.6 million in the 4th quarter [2008] alone (up from 9.5 million a year earlier).
THE BOTTOM LINE IS: BLU-RAY penetration will increase far faster than that of low cost 50GB flash sticks/cards and 1080p-acceptable Internet speeds.
Even if BR is "obsolete" it should have a healthy 5-10 years in the market before the alternatives replace it. Apple needs to get on board now. While lack of BR won't stop most Mac fans from buying a Mac without BR, it could stop switchers, or people who don't care what kind of computer/OS they purchase.
*Emphasis added*
July 2009
Blu-ray and Digital Distribution help stabilize home entertainment numbers.
According to the Digital Entertainment Group’s midyear report, Blu-ray sales are up a whopping 91 percent to $407 million. And in accordance, retailers are getting more and more Blu-Ray, about 50 percent more than the previous year. Digitally distributed content shot up another 21percent as well, to $968 million, which includes around $200 million for electronic sell through.
On the other hand, the industry as a whole, which consists of DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and digital distribution, slipped by 3.9 percent to a total of $9.73 billion. DVD sales are clearly slipping, with Blu-ray and digitally distributed content helping to fill the void.
Perhaps the argument between Blu-ray and digital distribution is moot; with DVD on the decline, they’ve both got plenty of room to grow before there’s a need to split the market.
All of this in a down economy! Oh yeah, and before someone says "Up from what?", here's that information:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41003/98/
In 2008 there were 10.7 million Blu-ray capable players in the United States, including 6 million Sony PlayStation 3 units. In the same three-year timeframe after release, DVD players in the 1990s totaled only 5.4 million.
Surpassing the adoption rate of DVDs, CDs and HDTVs (as well as several other common household technologies), Blu-Ray sales topped 28.6 million in the 4th quarter [2008] alone (up from 9.5 million a year earlier).
THE BOTTOM LINE IS: BLU-RAY penetration will increase far faster than that of low cost 50GB flash sticks/cards and 1080p-acceptable Internet speeds.
Even if BR is "obsolete" it should have a healthy 5-10 years in the market before the alternatives replace it. Apple needs to get on board now. While lack of BR won't stop most Mac fans from buying a Mac without BR, it could stop switchers, or people who don't care what kind of computer/OS they purchase.
I have Blu-ray hooked up to a proper display (HDTV).
I'm not really seeing the need for why I need a computer with it. If it's playing back content on my computer then perhaps Managed Copy is the ideal solution though that's going to take a persistent internet connection and new hardware.
To get the full benefit of Blu-ray it simply takes a quality screen larger than 40" and a good sound system imo.
I'm not really seeing the need for why I need a computer with it. If it's playing back content on my computer then perhaps Managed Copy is the ideal solution though that's going to take a persistent internet connection and new hardware.
To get the full benefit of Blu-ray it simply takes a quality screen larger than 40" and a good sound system imo.
By the time I will have got round to getting bluray no doubt purpleray running at 2160p will be the standard.
Personally I like to watch the film rather than look at how bad an actors skin is close up.
I have a LCD TV, it's HD (think it's 720), but i've not bothered with any HD source just yet. But I suppose I don't have to attempt to justify why I bought it. How many people hook up a laptop to watch a film? Surely if you have a TV you'll have a media device permanently installed underneath? Wouldn't you?
Personally I like to watch the film rather than look at how bad an actors skin is close up.
I have a LCD TV, it's HD (think it's 720), but i've not bothered with any HD source just yet. But I suppose I don't have to attempt to justify why I bought it. How many people hook up a laptop to watch a film? Surely if you have a TV you'll have a media device permanently installed underneath? Wouldn't you?
It should be a BTO option
Whether you want it yourself or not, Blu-Ray should at least be a BTO option in the 15", 17", iMac and MacPro.
Whether using it for movies or not, it's an excellent large data quantity backup method.
Whether you want it yourself or not, Blu-Ray should at least be a BTO option in the 15", 17", iMac and MacPro.
Whether using it for movies or not, it's an excellent large data quantity backup method.