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No Keynote at Apple Expo Paris
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chatin said:That chart is correct. MS is underwater. Your dreams of getting rich with Bill Gates are not
congruous with the new Apple / Google / Linux reality.
I don't dream about being rich. I already am rich.
lilstewart92 said:Do remember he is CEO of 2 companies, Pixar and Apple.
He is a busy man. He wants to have his own life, too.
Maybe he just didn't have time to argue with IBM, I don't know. And/or maybe he was busy doing things with the new, "iPhone" or whatever it's going to be called.
Just thought I'd say that
Maybe he should work with his company to release a better computer to organize his life.
BRLawyer said:
I agree that there probably won't be any announcement on computers, but that doesn't mean there could be small updates to what they will be offering for the next months.
Historical charts are always adjusted for splits. It's not just Yahoo Finance that has this data...digitalbiker said:
themacman said:
How do you know there won't be any of that? We could well see any type of small updates for PowerBooks without any major announcement, just like the mighty mouse and the iBook updates. Maybe price drops if there isn't anything to put in there anymore.
iTunes 5 seems likely for Sep. 7. Everything is just probably not "keynote-worthy".
Jobs is obviously trying to avoid talking much more about the transition which right now doesn't seem something good to look forward to in the short term.
For about a little more than a year, that red text isn't a very reliable source to help you decide whether to buy or not. I would suggest you really get into comparing the iBook and the PowerBook and see if you really need the PowerBook's extra features. The differences I see are: 32 MB Video memory, 0.17 GHZ more, Audio In, the aluminum. Hmm, I think the FSB is slightly faster, but I'm not sure. That's $500 more. Or... just wait two more weeks and see if something happens...Pianowizard said:
Much ado about nothing
The Intel transition has had its timeline solidified by Adobe's announcement that CS won't be ready until late 2006 or early 2007. The PowerBook will have to wait until then to get an Intel processor. This is a HUGE problem because the PowerBook is Apple's most important Mac product, yet it's the one that needs a speed boost in the worst way. Not only is Wintel steaming ahead in pure speed, they're gaining brighter, clearer displays that make the 15" PowerBook look positively dim and lifeless. If that wasn't bad enough sales are being canibalized by the newly improved iBooks. A PowerBook update is way overdue.
My thinking is that there will be updated PowerBooks this month, but Steve doesn't want to have the whole world watching him try to hype an 8% increase in clock speed.
The PowerMacs aren't selling well at all. The last speed bump was a joke and it looks like the 970MP isn't going to be ready for a September announcement. In the established pro markets the delay means nothing, but their ability to attract new business is weakened. Given that Intel towers can't happen until MacWorld 2007 there is definitely pressure to provide a pair of G5 updates, probably late 2005 and mid 2006. Anything less looks like they don't care about "pro" users, definitely not an image any company wants to portray.
So lets all relax and prepare to be underwhelmed by the incredibly late Motorola iTunes phone, safe in the knowledge that in the next 2 months we'll see small improvements to the PowerBook and significant improvements to the iPod mini. No we won't be able to get our work done quicker, but we'll enjoy it more knowing that our iPod is 25% lighter than last year's
The Intel transition has had its timeline solidified by Adobe's announcement that CS won't be ready until late 2006 or early 2007. The PowerBook will have to wait until then to get an Intel processor. This is a HUGE problem because the PowerBook is Apple's most important Mac product, yet it's the one that needs a speed boost in the worst way. Not only is Wintel steaming ahead in pure speed, they're gaining brighter, clearer displays that make the 15" PowerBook look positively dim and lifeless. If that wasn't bad enough sales are being canibalized by the newly improved iBooks. A PowerBook update is way overdue.
My thinking is that there will be updated PowerBooks this month, but Steve doesn't want to have the whole world watching him try to hype an 8% increase in clock speed.
The PowerMacs aren't selling well at all. The last speed bump was a joke and it looks like the 970MP isn't going to be ready for a September announcement. In the established pro markets the delay means nothing, but their ability to attract new business is weakened. Given that Intel towers can't happen until MacWorld 2007 there is definitely pressure to provide a pair of G5 updates, probably late 2005 and mid 2006. Anything less looks like they don't care about "pro" users, definitely not an image any company wants to portray.
So lets all relax and prepare to be underwhelmed by the incredibly late Motorola iTunes phone, safe in the knowledge that in the next 2 months we'll see small improvements to the PowerBook and significant improvements to the iPod mini. No we won't be able to get our work done quicker, but we'll enjoy it more knowing that our iPod is 25% lighter than last year's
Much ado about nothing....couldn't have nailed the title better if I tried
Face it, the iPhone, Rokr.....whatever...will underwhelm/suck/disappoint. Paris will suck/confuse/irritate. It's Steve's new mantra. "Brutally under-deliver until they expect nothing, then any upgrade will seem awesome"
Powerbooks, Powermacs, and iBooks....these products are so TIRED its pathetic. We grovel and beg for real product advancement/development, but it goes completely unanswered.
OK, OSX is nice. But I have to suffer the indignity of running it on this pile of ***** G4 powerbook. And they are still selling them new. And there's no end in sight. I feel so bad for people who bought PBs this year based on some idiot salesman telling them how awesome and efficient PBs are. How the hardware is, yes, weak compared to PC hardware, but they run so efficiently that you'll get comparable performance. BS!!!!!
PBs were TIRED a year ago. We were desperate for a fall update, then extremely desperate for something new for Christmas...then after a year of waiting, we got kicked in the balls with the New Years "update". Its pathetic. Almost a year later, and its STILL THE SAME GARBAGE.
Screw iPods. What happened to Apple computers? If Apple Computer R&D was seeing some of the profits from iPods, I'd be all for them. But obviously, that isn't happening. Instead, we get freakin iPod updates while the computers ROT. Seriously, how many Apple engineers does it take to change a light bulb? "Umm, I think we should take that there 1.5 chip thing, and replace it with a 1.67. What do you guys think? Can we pull it off in time? Also, stay close with me on this one, I don't want to lose anyone...what if we replaced the the 2-256 sticks with one 512 stick?" Groundbreaking *****.
I convinced my company to switch to Apple 2 years ago, got them all equipped with "i" this, and "power" that. Now I'm embarrassed when they ask me what I think of current offerings because its time to update some stuff. I walk into an Apple store and see the exact same stuff I did 2 years ago. Walk in a year ago...all the same stuff. Walk in 6 months ago...all the same stuff.
Dammit, walking into a mac store is just like Ground Hog day. It WILL make you want to take your life with a toaster in the tub.
What a joke. Get used to it.
Face it, the iPhone, Rokr.....whatever...will underwhelm/suck/disappoint. Paris will suck/confuse/irritate. It's Steve's new mantra. "Brutally under-deliver until they expect nothing, then any upgrade will seem awesome"
Powerbooks, Powermacs, and iBooks....these products are so TIRED its pathetic. We grovel and beg for real product advancement/development, but it goes completely unanswered.
OK, OSX is nice. But I have to suffer the indignity of running it on this pile of ***** G4 powerbook. And they are still selling them new. And there's no end in sight. I feel so bad for people who bought PBs this year based on some idiot salesman telling them how awesome and efficient PBs are. How the hardware is, yes, weak compared to PC hardware, but they run so efficiently that you'll get comparable performance. BS!!!!!
PBs were TIRED a year ago. We were desperate for a fall update, then extremely desperate for something new for Christmas...then after a year of waiting, we got kicked in the balls with the New Years "update". Its pathetic. Almost a year later, and its STILL THE SAME GARBAGE.
Screw iPods. What happened to Apple computers? If Apple Computer R&D was seeing some of the profits from iPods, I'd be all for them. But obviously, that isn't happening. Instead, we get freakin iPod updates while the computers ROT. Seriously, how many Apple engineers does it take to change a light bulb? "Umm, I think we should take that there 1.5 chip thing, and replace it with a 1.67. What do you guys think? Can we pull it off in time? Also, stay close with me on this one, I don't want to lose anyone...what if we replaced the the 2-256 sticks with one 512 stick?" Groundbreaking *****.
I convinced my company to switch to Apple 2 years ago, got them all equipped with "i" this, and "power" that. Now I'm embarrassed when they ask me what I think of current offerings because its time to update some stuff. I walk into an Apple store and see the exact same stuff I did 2 years ago. Walk in a year ago...all the same stuff. Walk in 6 months ago...all the same stuff.
Dammit, walking into a mac store is just like Ground Hog day. It WILL make you want to take your life with a toaster in the tub.
What a joke.
Get used to it.
mac n cheese said:
Ground Hog Day. Right. We are all wishing for something big from Apple. Maybe we should forget about it. Get a life instead? Kiss a nice girl/boy? Buy a Sony?
plastique45 said:
7448 has no L3 cache. The L2 cache is 1MB (twice that of 7447A) and the altivec unit does out of order instructions now. Even at the same clockspeed there's the potential for 10 to 25% speed increases.
They've not announced speeds though the PegasOS developers have said they've had 1.8Ghz prototypes since the start of this year. It replaces the 7447A which has a max quoted speed of 1.42Ghz. Apple always get faster chips than Moto/Freescale announce as the requirements of a desktop/laptop CPU are different to the embedded market Freescale announce to.
It's also a lot cooler too.
plastique45 said:
Apple are only using 32bit Intel. Xcode2.1 generates 32bit code. They've not said anything about a 64bit transition which will have to be done at some point too. It's going to be a hell of a train ride for developers in the next few years.
plastique45 said:
The power requirements are less than the current chips so they don't need such drastic cooling to keep them as quiet as Apple like.
ZorPrime said:
please, shut up. you may very well want to go to the dark side of the moon, and should that happen you'd still complain you cannot see the sun anymore. powerbooks and powermacs are very worthy of the power title; i'm currently using a (relatively) old 1.25GHz powerbook for professional music production, and it works wery well. surely i could use some more power, but that is always the case. what is more important is that i can stress the system to +90% cpu loads for +12 hours a day if i need to.
eat that rant, sucker
Chrispy said:
I hear you!
My mum wants a new laptop, and looking at apples offerings next to these new sonys - comparitively the sony wins everywhere.... better screen, dual layer DVDRW, 128M Video Ram...... etc.... etc.....
all for less money!!
I hate to do it, but apple just isnt up to speed!!!! (literally)
plastique45 said:
actually, the L3 cache makes a huge difference. i have an ancient 667MHz powerbook (that has cache) that is A LOT faster than the first-generation 12" powerbooks that run at 867MHz (about 30% faster clock speed) without the L3 cache.
of course, it depends on the application, but in audio world the L3 cache is a killer.
Bregalad said:
who cares about the clock speed anyway? if the new powerbooks get L3 cache (as in a rumour) then the chip can actually run SLOWER and still be faster in the real world.
to repeat myself, an older 667MHz powerbook with a L3 cache is a lot faster than a newer 867MHz powerbook without L3. in real world, doing pro audio work. if i can get 10% more processing power by dropping clock speed 20%, then i'm ready to do that. work is done in a real world instead of a fantasy land where bigger is always better.
Bregalad said:
that's because powermacs are mainly sold for professionals and most professionals had their hardware purchases on hold for the second G5 powermac revision. now that they did purchase what they needed before the third revision, it is understandable that sales of 3rd rev look bad compared to 2nd rev, which was huge figure if you can remember.
point being, powermac sales tend to be rather linear in the long run. there's nothing to worry; on the contrary, if the 3rd rev powermacs don't sell well, there's going to be a lot of "refurb" powermacs for sale once they release the 4th rev
aegisdesign said:
so? that tells nothing about the product they're going to release for general public. of course xcode is 32bit right now, as the developer boxes in fact use a 32bit pentium inside. but that tells nothing about the real product, because the whole purpose of those rental developer boxes is to get developers SWITCHING TO XCODE -- and once that transition is completed, apple can add whatever architechture support to the xcode and do the switching work for the developers. majority of software will just run.
point being, the first intel mac apple SELLS might just as well be a custom-made fantasy-land 128bit RISC intel cpu. if software has been developed with xcode, it will compile against that fantasy cpu after xcode update just fine.
get it?
apple has said to switch to intel, but that's all we know. everything else is speculation.
SpaceMagic said:
I have had my train and hotel booked for weeks now. Had such a great time last year that I could not wait to go and be brain washed by Steve, the Expo was only a bonus to my visit. Hell, last year I took my wife and she enjoyed the keynote (on our wedding anniversary) and gave me a baby girls 9 months later!!!!!!
Now I have lost out on £120 plus probably another £100. Might ask Steve for a refund or just get me a peecee and install X86 on it.
Put a lid on it people. Apple obviously have a lot of things on their plate at the moment. You don't think the growth they have had doesn't come with growing pains as well? Playing their cards close to their chest is good business at this stage of their development. I wait patiently, knowing that the effort behind the scenes for next year will blow us away.
BTW I am using a Rev PB17 1.5ghz. Not too shabby. Could I use more power? Sure, but everything else is great and even if I was using a PC laptop I would still be complaining about something else...
BTW I am using a Rev PB17 1.5ghz. Not too shabby. Could I use more power? Sure, but everything else is great and even if I was using a PC laptop I would still be complaining about something else...
It must be safe to buy PB's or iPod minis again, seeing as there's not keynote this time -a update might not be out until the next few months.
aafuss1 said:
I tend to disagree. New PBs will be released sometime later this month or in early October. Apple just have to upgrade the PBs with whatever they have for the holiday season. Otherwise PB sales will drop close to zero in December. Also, new iPod mini will probably be announced tomorrow.
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I registered just so I could post this - because this bothers me.
I need a laptop and have been holding out for a PB desperately. I DON'T CARE that the cpu is locked at 1.67 GHz. I really don't. But no one seems to focus on the fact that there are other parts of a laptop that COULD being updated.
Put in a new screen. Put in a new video card. THESE things are available today to apple. Just put in something so that it doesn't seem like I would drop 2 grand on something which hasn't been updated in a year.
And surely this makes sense from Apple's support standpoint. Surely they don't want 6 new things in their intel laptops for support's sake.
I registered just so I could post this - because this bothers me.
I need a laptop and have been holding out for a PB desperately. I DON'T CARE that the cpu is locked at 1.67 GHz. I really don't. But no one seems to focus on the fact that there are other parts of a laptop that COULD being updated.
Put in a new screen. Put in a new video card. THESE things are available today to apple. Just put in something so that it doesn't seem like I would drop 2 grand on something which hasn't been updated in a year.
And surely this makes sense from Apple's support standpoint. Surely they don't want 6 new things in their intel laptops for support's sake.
shame on you all for tempting yourselves by sony laptops!
instead of getting worked up about what you're NOT seeing from apple, why not get excited about the future? ok, there's been a lack of product updates, some of which may or may not have been apple's fault, and yeah, adobe did say photoshop mac x86 will be a little later than they thought, but still, there could be some damn nice new hardware out in that time.
what's stopping them releasing a new PowerBook that has a case designed to take their new x86 motherboard or the PPC one? then you can have your stunning new PB, maybe a 2.something ghz G4, before they release the x86 in the same shell. they'd at least make some people happy. and the PowerMac, drop another few processors in it = more power easily. (if, of course, the apps support more than two processors!).
i'm not sure what's going to happen in the next few months, but at least i'm keeping an open mind, which is more than can be said for the rest of you.
if the keynote was cancelled, it would be for a good reason, like something to be launched wasn't ready. they'll just announce with extra fanfare, or put out a rumour about their fantastic new product.
instead of getting worked up about what you're NOT seeing from apple, why not get excited about the future? ok, there's been a lack of product updates, some of which may or may not have been apple's fault, and yeah, adobe did say photoshop mac x86 will be a little later than they thought, but still, there could be some damn nice new hardware out in that time.
what's stopping them releasing a new PowerBook that has a case designed to take their new x86 motherboard or the PPC one? then you can have your stunning new PB, maybe a 2.something ghz G4, before they release the x86 in the same shell. they'd at least make some people happy. and the PowerMac, drop another few processors in it = more power easily. (if, of course, the apps support more than two processors!).
i'm not sure what's going to happen in the next few months, but at least i'm keeping an open mind, which is more than can be said for the rest of you.
if the keynote was cancelled, it would be for a good reason, like something to be launched wasn't ready. they'll just announce with extra fanfare, or put out a rumour
about their fantastic new product.
BrianDavid0523 said:
Just answered your own question now didn't ya?
I wonder what happened to result in the Keynote not taking place anymore. Was there some big product announcement planned, but due to some internal issues/delays it was not going to be ready after all, hence Jobs wouldn't have been able to present it? Seems odd to cancel a Keynote like this - hopefully we'll still see some product upgrades regardless...
BrianDavid0523 said:
I care...
... and many others who would have been there, or those expecting somekind of product announcement.