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No Mac Pro: Not Fair
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Couldn't agree more.
Anyone who's used Omnisphere will know how big some of the patches are (1gb +) so speed and ram really important.
Now 64 bit Logic is here it can use the processors and the ram and most of the plugins (at least the intensive ones) are going that way too.
More power please!
i would think apple didnt want to do iphone sh%$ at wwdc but since jizzmodo ruined everything... i wouldnt eeven call wwdc 2010 wwcc i would call it IOSDC (ios developers confernecE) the point is, your products are outdated, they were PRO when it was released but guess what, ITS BEEN A YEAR AND A QUARTER. its disspointing how apple is t caught up with foxconn, ipad and iphone supplies, software updates. THE THING APPLE REALLY NEEDS TO GET CAUGHT UP ON IN ORDER IS THE MAC which in my prioprity is.
MAC PRO (SERIOUSLY, GT 120?)
MBA (9400M -_-)
SOFTWARE (COME ON, ILIFE 2009, IWORK 09, (PROS software)
APPLE TV (NOT ADVANCED)
IMAC (STILL USING 9400M)
MAC MINI (9400M T_T)
IPODS
OPERATING SYSTEM (STOP IPHONEYING)
MAC PRO (SERIOUSLY, GT 120?)
MBA (9400M -_-)
SOFTWARE (COME ON, ILIFE 2009, IWORK 09, (PROS software)
APPLE TV (NOT ADVANCED)
IMAC (STILL USING 9400M)
MAC MINI (9400M T_T)
IPODS
OPERATING SYSTEM (STOP IPHONEYING)
i completely want mac pro specs to be this
1 xeon x5680 or 1 i7 980x
2 tb standard (this thing needs to be reasonably priced if without display)
6 or 8 gb of standard ram
ATI RADEON HD 5850
2 xeon x5680 or 2 i7 980x
3 tb standard
8GB ram
ati radeon hd 5870
IF ITS THIS.. MAC PRO IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL
1 xeon x5680 or 1 i7 980x
2 tb standard (this thing needs to be reasonably priced if without display)
6 or 8 gb of standard ram
ATI RADEON HD 5850
2 xeon x5680 or 2 i7 980x
3 tb standard
8GB ram
ati radeon hd 5870
IF ITS THIS.. MAC PRO IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL
The majority of us aren't likely to switch to Windows or Linux, but will wait impatiently for whenever Apple finally decides to deal with this. The worst part of it is their utter silence and disregard for the entire subject of the Mac Pro. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I am very disappointed in the way Apple handles the Mac product line, and this feeling isn't likely to go away magically after they finally do release a new MP because I know that it will happen again and again in the future.
+1
We have thrown in our lot with a monopolist supplier as long as we stick with machines legally running OS X. In the many years that Apple made us a priority, dealing with a monopolist able to integrate hardware and software beautifully was a good tradeoff.
For our video-multimedia creative business, switching over to Windows sometime in the future would be a pain. We run the whole business on Mac creative apps (FCS, Adobe CS), but also accounting, office apps, etc. But ever since Apple switched over to Intel, that has laid the groundwork for a wholesale switchover: The hardware would all still be just fine, unlike back in the PPC era when switching to a different OS would have made our existing computers obsolete.
And with the exception of FCS, all our main apps have exact or close Windows equivalents (some better-featured on Windows than OS X): Adobe CS, MS Office of course, Quickbooks.
I'd hate to give up Final Cut Pro. But Avid, Adobe, Sony etc. provide good alternatives on Windows. The learning curve would be the main hassle but a temporary one.
So for us, Final Cut Studio is the narrow tether tying us to Apple and even that is fraying a bit.
In sum, Apple's business priorities may be making customers like us an afterthought at best, and if they forget us entirely, well business is business. But it remains to be seen if we beat them to the punch. It won't be personal, Apple. Business is business.
It's Apple's modus operandi.
Maybe Apple's hands are tied waiting for Intel.
Maybe the developers are making applications for Apple's gadgets inside of the computers.
Maybe all of Apple's resources are tied up with their gadgets.
I've got a pc friend who has been waiting for a Mac Pro since March.
Thank god he has the patience of Job.
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There not much of a learning curve with dealing with the other NLEs. Even finding out the nomenclature of the tools and features is a minor curve. Anyone considering the switch from FCP to any other NLE will find that they're going to pick it up and hit the floor running.
Premier is looking like a wonderful option for many multimedia professionals. Apple may know that fact and may be trying hard to keep that one piece of software on hand that a user just can't give up. For you it's FCP, for me it's Aperture and iWork Suite.
Sounds great, but I don't think the i7 980x works in dual processor configs.
I'll take that single, though. Or I'll just get a 30% overclocked i7 980x machine from any number of PC vendors for less.
I'm stuck on an underpowered laptop 2.53 Ghz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro at home running C4d and Maya. Not fun for rendering. I sure could use some real power, but while I wait, I'm saving up my money.
Sounds great for those that just want to go to the store and pick it up then open the box, turn it on.
I'd rather Apple put the lowest common denominator tech into the box to bring the price down as low as possible, then give a custom option to get just the box, mobo, processors, and an OS disc, and let me stuff it with the hardware that I know I can find cheaper somewhere else.
It pains me to have to purchase so much useless tech in the Mac Pro only to have to pull it out and replace it with what it needs. I have stock drives from many a machine just sitting in my house collecting dust, or waiting for a drive to crash to be used.
Main point is, the 640GB in the Mac Pro is useless, and I'd rather Apple not charge me for it, especially when I have retired 1TBs just lying around that would make a better choice for a system drive.
That's a good point. The first thing that would go from a Mac Pro if I couldn't wait and had to buy the current model would be the 640GB HDD and the RAM. No way I'm paying Apple $1350 for 12GB of RAM when it can be had at OWC for about $450.
Its just a shame your 17 years marketing experience and that generic piece of paper qualification that 200,000 students waltz out of university with every year hasn't taught you not to sell your **** before you can replace it.
maybe WWDC 2011 or 2012
I was thinking the same thing.
That's where we are going wrong, we are trying to guess when the 2010 Mac Pro will be released.
We really should be trying to predict when the 2011 Mac Pro will be launched.
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Right! Most computer companies I know that sell workstations don't put much into the system, leaving you to lobotomize your old rig or buy new parts to outfit it.
Or you can buy the parts for the 2nd party reseller if you'd like. Apple is the only one I know that sells a workstation with mediocre parts, and only gives you a choice to pay $300+ for a 2TB HDD while one can be had for much less.
Glad i didn't wait
I was really looking forward to getting a Mac Pro in March this year but decided the price was too high and the wait too long, so built my own.
The vanilla installs of Snow Leopard with EFI are so good now that you can build a very fast machine and have future compatibility.
It's not illegal as some would claim, as long as you are happy not to ask Apple for support and buy a legit copy of Snow Leopard.
So the setup I used was Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 motherboard with i7 920 and EVGA GTX 285. Cost less than $2000 AUD with 6GB RAM, 3 hard drives and Blu-ray burner. Can't beat that with a Mac Pro and it's Gulftown, USB 3.0 and eSATA ready. Don't get me wrong, I like apple hardware (still have a dual G5 PowerMac) but with the Mac Pro essentially being a PC anyway, it just doesn't make sense to pay the premium any more, especially when Apple continue to cripple their chipset bios to not allow processor upgrades and continue to have bottlenecks in the harddisk controllers.
Software updates work, all power management is perfect and it's actually faster than the equivalent 4 core Mac Pro (easily overclockable too). When there was an argument between PowerPC/Intel there was a good argument to get a Mac Pro, but waiting for Apple to release a product that they know is no longer competitive and having to deal with the bugs that come with small hardware runs are good arguments for building your own.
Please feel free to PM me for details.
I was really looking forward to getting a Mac Pro in March this year but decided the price was too high and the wait too long, so built my own.
The vanilla installs of Snow Leopard with EFI are so good now that you can build a very fast machine and have future compatibility.
It's not illegal as some would claim, as long as you are happy not to ask Apple for support and buy a legit copy of Snow Leopard.
So the setup I used was Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 motherboard with i7 920 and EVGA GTX 285. Cost less than $2000 AUD with 6GB RAM, 3 hard drives and Blu-ray burner. Can't beat that with a Mac Pro and it's Gulftown, USB 3.0 and eSATA ready. Don't get me wrong, I like apple hardware (still have a dual G5 PowerMac) but with the Mac Pro essentially being a PC anyway, it just doesn't make sense to pay the premium any more, especially when Apple continue to cripple their chipset bios to not allow processor upgrades and continue to have bottlenecks in the harddisk controllers.
Software updates work, all power management is perfect and it's actually faster than the equivalent 4 core Mac Pro (easily overclockable too). When there was an argument between PowerPC/Intel there was a good argument to get a Mac Pro, but waiting for Apple to release a product that they know is no longer competitive and having to deal with the bugs that come with small hardware runs are good arguments for building your own.
Please feel free to PM me for details.
After waiting for the no show, I threw together a GA-X58A-UD3R with an i7 930 and 12gb this afternoon (reusing my 9600GT - I don't do graphics work).
I'm still waiting to see what becomes of the Mac Pro, but this will get be nicely in the interim.
Sounds great, but I don't think the i7 980x works in dual processor configs.
I'll take that single, though. Or I'll just get a 30% overclocked i7 980x machine from any number of PC vendors for less.
I'm stuck on an underpowered laptop 2.53 Ghz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro at home running C4d and Maya. Not fun for rendering. I sure could use some real power, but while I wait, I'm saving up my money.
im hoping most likely xeon x5680 as i7 i thought could but had problems... good luck saving!
Guys....
Say, all of you. Can you do me a favor?
Can all of you with Mac Pros go to http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/ and run the benchmarker?
I'm still running a G5 2.5 dual. 8 gigs of ram. nVidia 7800GS. I bench about 2312. It really does respectably but you could hardly call it "mega fast".
My wife's 3.06 core2 iMac benches nearly 5000.
An 8-core Mac Pro I tried at the local shop benched 11000.
Just curious to see what you all are benching out there. I find this a nicer testing environment versus cinebench.
Ah, the G5. How far we've come....
Yes it's served as my "room heater", yes it's leaked once. I know it's time is nearly up because we had a power transformer blow up on a pole nearby and the machine took a hit unfortunately even though it was on a very spendy isobar surge suppressor.
It's still working but for how long is unknown. So I'm biding my time - I don't need a replacement immediately but if it dies I need to jump pretty quick.
I'm in the middle of finishing a music project I've been working on for five years and if it dies before completion = OUCH. Yes, everything is backed up in quadruple now so no worries about data loss but...the loss of momentum having to get all my apps and data migrated - yeesh.
I'm pretty sure one of the Corei7 iMacs would be fast enough for my uses at the moment BUT like the music producer who blew it up inside 10 days running multiple Omnispheres leads me to believe I'd need Applecare on it (a good idea with any expensive Apple product) or I'd be doomed. And I run my machine 24/7 for years on end so the long term longevity doesn't look very well.
My concern is: I really like the tower cases where I can put multiple satas in there and lots of ram. I go thru hard drive space like a fiend. I write 250 music projects in a year, my little project studio has people who come in for various projects they can't do in their own studios and those folks help keep me in $ so I can afford to replace this.
The iMacs can have 16 gig ram but what if I want more? So a Mac Pro would make more sense for me and it's what I'm used to. I like the idea of multiple drives in the tower.
Thinking: I can wait, but no later than this fall I'm thinking. I'm already running on an obsolete platform (PPC) but it's so overbuilt I rarely hit the wall with it. So I carry on.
I can wait. For now.
Say, all of you. Can you do me a favor?
Can all of you with Mac Pros go to http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/ and run the benchmarker?
I'm still running a G5 2.5 dual. 8 gigs of ram. nVidia 7800GS. I bench about 2312. It really does respectably but you could hardly call it "mega fast".
My wife's 3.06 core2 iMac benches nearly 5000.
An 8-core Mac Pro I tried at the local shop benched 11000.
Just curious to see what you all are benching out there. I find this a nicer testing environment versus cinebench.
Ah, the G5. How far we've come....
Yes it's served as my "room heater", yes it's leaked once. I know it's time is nearly up because we had a power transformer blow up on a pole nearby and the machine took a hit unfortunately even though it was on a very spendy isobar surge suppressor.
It's still working but for how long is unknown. So I'm biding my time - I don't need a replacement immediately but if it dies I need to jump pretty quick.
I'm in the middle of finishing a music project I've been working on for five years and if it dies before completion = OUCH. Yes, everything is backed up in quadruple now so no worries about data loss but...the loss of momentum having to get all my apps and data migrated - yeesh.
I'm pretty sure one of the Corei7 iMacs would be fast enough for my uses at the moment BUT like the music producer who blew it up inside 10 days running multiple Omnispheres leads me to believe I'd need Applecare on it (a good idea with any expensive Apple product) or I'd be doomed. And I run my machine 24/7 for years on end so the long term longevity doesn't look very well.
My concern is: I really like the tower cases where I can put multiple satas in there and lots of ram. I go thru hard drive space like a fiend. I write 250 music projects in a year, my little project studio has people who come in for various projects they can't do in their own studios and those folks help keep me in $ so I can afford to replace this.
The iMacs can have 16 gig ram but what if I want more? So a Mac Pro would make more sense for me and it's what I'm used to. I like the idea of multiple drives in the tower.
Thinking: I can wait, but no later than this fall I'm thinking. I'm already running on an obsolete platform (PPC) but it's so overbuilt I rarely hit the wall with it. So I carry on.
I can wait. For now.