No More iPhoto or iMovie Downloads

[ipoddin]

IMO, iPhoto or iMovie ALONE are worth $49 each.

Adobe just release their photo album software which does essentially the same thing as iPhoto (even lets you order books), and it costs $49!

 

[wagner]

So tired

Hot damn.. No wonder the rich are getting richer.. Apple is making gizilions and now they want to squeeze a little more out of us.. Tired of it.. Tired,tired,tired...!!

 

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by evilbert420
What a bunch of whiners. $50 for all that greatness... and it's not FREE so it SUCKS.

Go buy cheap PCs and run LINUX if you can't afford $50 for 5 great applications. Or run the old versions.

Seriously... some of you are embarassing.

Well I'm so sorry to embarass you I for one have not said they "suck", I just don't think that you should have to buy a whole package to get an update to a single application. That ok with you?

 

[crees!]

Originally posted by szark
As long as the point updates are still free, I can handle this.

If we had to pay for ANY updates...

Besides, they needed the extra download bandwidth for iTMS.

Sorry, life itself isn't free either. In other words deal with it.

So how much do you spend in a week on food.. huh? Thank god you don't have to pay for iLife everytime you use it.. which sounds like a scheme M$ would try to pull.

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

I think the core of the argument is that we (as Apple Consumers) should feel priviledged because we have the OPPORTUNITY to BUY iLife.. No mention, or thought given, to that we already pay a premium on hardware just simply to run the software (and i believe that ifApple were to release an x86 version of Mac OS their monopoly would collapse).. iLife apps were the right of the (double the) price of the hardware.. Now, to those that already have bought the premium priced hardware, the software is no longer a right, it's a priviledge which can be taken away at any time without warning..

Originally posted by QuiteSure
$49 is ridiculously low for everything you're getting. While I don't think I'll be using iMovie again, I do think I'll play around with Garageband and, of course, iPhoto. Apple probably has such huge file sizes for everything (and wants to keep it all neatly coordinated) that it didn't make sense to allow it to be used piecemeal.

OR, here's another way of looking at it:

iPhoto, iMovie and Garageband are FREE, but not compatible without the new version of iDVD, which cost $49 (which was consistent with the most recent upgrade)

OR, here's another way of looking at it:

It's free with a new computer, so deduct $49 from the price that you're going to pay for the new computer, and you'll be getting a bargain! Kind of like waiting until November to buy your computer so you can get Panther for free!

 

[Torajima]

I don't think Apple gets it... the only reason many of us are willing to pay a premium for Apple Hardware is the incredible free software that is included in the box (yeah, and Mac OS X).

If Apple is going to nickel and dime us for every OS and Application upgrade, they damn well better start lowering their hardware prices.

Really, why should people who just bought a $3000 G5 last week now have to pay and additional $49 to update the iApps? Besides, many of these apps were "broken" to begin with (just visit the iMovie, iDVD, & iPhoto forums of Apples own website), why should you have to pay for bug fixes, along with a few new features you probably don't need?

 

[DaveGee]

Maybe I can cover most of the posts that'll come up all in one single post

Dread... Doom... Wring Hands...

All I wanted was "insert some iApp name" and NOW I gotta pay for em all!!!

Bitch... Moan... Complain...

That's it we're buying a Dell (yea that'll fix em!)







In the end just pick one of the options below....

1 - Go to Dell...
2 - Fork over the $29 / $49 and be happy
3 - Steal the software online
4 - Wait till the next OS X (edit) PAID Upgrade and get them that way.
5 - Continue to use the stuff you have now and forget about it.

D

 

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by Ling
Whatever. I think it's an amazing deal (as a student) and I'll shell out 30 bucks happily. Now $50 is a little steeper. But you're getting 5 great programs. Before everyone goes ballistic and flames Apple...take a deep breath and think about what iLife has done for you.

Even at $50 it's still a great deal, but like in my post above, I just don't like the idea of having to shell out $130 for os updates on an annual basis and then another $50 for apps that are considered part of the os barely 3 months after it's release. Maybe there will be an up-to-date for people who just bought Panther (but probably not)

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

in response to your #4, they won't come with the OS upgrade.. the OS and iLife are now seperate.. to get the functionality you've come to expect from your Mac, you now need to pay $180 US, not just $129

Originally posted by DaveGee
Maybe I can cover most of the posts that'll come up all in one single post

Dread... Doom... Wring Hands...

All I wanted was "insert some iApp name" and NOW I gotta pay for em all!!!

Bitch... Moan... Complain...

That's it we're buying a Dell (yea that'll fix em!)







In the end....

1 - Go to Dell...
2 - Fork over the $29 / $49 and be happy
3 - Steal the software online
4 - Wait till the next OS X upgrade and get them FREE
5 - Continue to use the stuff you have now and forget about it.

D

 

[artooro]

Might get it with BitTorrent

Well I'm very disappointed that I can't download the updates. What happened to instant gratification?

But I'm sure someone who gets the new versions on a new Mac or who buys iLife `04 will share it with BitTorrent or P2P.
(Or is it stealing? ) Sharing isn't stealing is it?

 

[Mr. Anderson]

The free software was nice. But what Apple is doing isn't all that bad either. Its not exactly that big of a price and the familly pack for 5 is only $30 dollars more.

Good deal, especially if the apps do all the extra they've mentioned. I'm really looking forward to seeing how well iMovie captures video from my iSight camera. Connect it to my powerbook and away I go!

Worth the money right there.

D

 

[bdkennedy1]

Re: Hold On

Originally posted by AMPrkm
I am *not* convinced that CNet knows what it's talking about. It is very possible that they simply went to MacRumors, read some of the panicked messages about the sky falling, and decided that was sufficient confirmation to say there will be no free downloads. They offered no source, and have a poor track record of journalistic integrity anyway, especially when it comes to Apple.

MacRumors should know better than to take CNet on its word, so unless you guys have independent confirmation, I still say downloads will appear on the 16th.

I agree. There has been no confirmation from Apple about this. This same situation happened last year and what happened 2 weeks later. iMovie, iPhoto and iTunes were still downloadable.

 

[JoeRadar]

iLife for Windows?

The question is: Does Apple use free iLife to move Macs, or is iLife expected to be its own profit center?

iLife could still be a loss leader, primarily designed to get people to switch to Macs or upgrade their current Mac, and the $49 is just designed to offset some costs.

But if Apple wants to make money from iLife, will Apple move iLife to Windows?

o iPod became available for Windows (initially with another jukebox app).

o iTunes and iTMS migrated to Windows.

o .Mac and supported tools are available for Windows.

Why not the rest of iLife?

 

[evil_santa]

it is shiping at £39 in the UK, that about $70us. But still very good value. Having the ability to trim in iMovie now makes it a very usable app for the low end video editor. Garageband would be very good value for that price as a stand alone!

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

We ALL JUST BOUGHT PANTHER.. there is no up to date.. this is Apple charging for the Apps that were once free, on top of the OS that we just bought..

Originally posted by blueBomber
Even at $50 it's still a great deal, but like in my post above, I just don't like the idea of having to shell out $130 for os updates on an annual basis and then another $50 for apps that are considered part of the os barely 3 months after it's release. Maybe there will be an up-to-date for people who just bought Panther (but probably not)

 

[latergator116]

Someone already brought this up, but we just paid $129 for panther and many of us don't want to shell out more money.

 

[QCassidy352]

give me a break. iphoto has SERIOUS problems that should have been addressed long ago. Now we have to pay for what amounts to bug fixes?

I don't want GarageBand, I don't want iDVD, I don't want imovie, I can get itunes for free anyway (oh gee, wonder why that is), so I'm supposed to pay $50 for iphoto bug fixes?? ROFL.

Apple made no explicit promises, but there was an understanding that these were free apps. I don't give a damn if you think it's justified or not, but I feel cheated. iapps are part of the OS. I bought a PB in September, bought Panther in October (and did I get a discount for buying a system 3 weeks earlier? No - but I bought Panther anyway.) and now it's another $50? Don't think so. (fires up Poisoned)

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Re: iLife for Windows?

"Free iLife" on all "new" macs is the bait for the switch.. for those of us that already purchased hardware (and the OS update) this is more money out of our pockets, should we choose to upgrade.

Originally posted by JoeRadar
The question is: Does Apple use free iLife to move Macs, or is iLife expected to be its own profit center?

iLife could still be a loss leader, primarily designed to get people to switch to Macs or upgrade their current Mac, and the $49 is just designed to offset some costs.

But if Apple wants to make money from iLife, will Apple move iLife to Windows?

o iPod became available for Windows (initially with another jukebox app).

o iTunes and iTMS migrated to Windows.

o .Mac and supported tools are available for Windows.

Why not the rest of iLife?

 

[jxyama]

i can understand the angry sentiment. no matter how great it is or how "justified" it is, whenever something that was free become not free, people will get mad.

but i use iphoto a lot. and i'd consider the ability to handle 25,000 photos alone well worth $50. instead of splitting each year into many iphoto folders to keep from slowing down, i can now have all of my pics in one album. also, personally, i use iMovie a little, and the iDVD's ability to transfer to another superdrive equipped machine to burn an actual DVD will make me use iDVD now. (i have a combo drive PB.)

being a student also helps, $29 is a steal. so i don't mind this at all...

but i can definitely understand the sentiment of anger. it's not whining. it's not ridiculous. it's a very normal reaction to having something you had for free become not free.

 

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
We ALL JUST BOUGHT PANTHER.. there is no up to date.. this is Apple charging for the Apps that were once free, on top of the OS that we just bought..

Yeah, but I just bought it LAST WEEK (typing in all caps is pretty obnoxious). I'm just complaining, sorry to upset you. I've already ordered iLife '04 anyways (GarageBand ), oh nevermind...

 

[oldwatery]

$49 for the bundle is more than cheap....so stop your whining. We all know each individual app is easily worth the price of admission. Agree on the incremental upgades....hopefully they will be free. As I watched the keynote I was burning to plonk down the $$$...oh well 10 days will pass fast enough! Nice one Steve/Apple.....we all expect too much of you sometimes

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

it's not only that is "was free", it's that we JUST PAID $129 for an updated system.. "iLife" was part of that system, or so we thought. The $129 OS just lost value.. want to know how much? iphoto + iMovie = $20 (2 pc.s of ilife at $50)

the OS is worth $20 less to me now.

Originally posted by jxyama
i can understand the angry sentiment. no matter how great it is or how "justified" it is, whenever something that was free become not free, people will get mad.

but i use iphoto a lot. and i'd consider the ability to handle 25,000 photos alone well worth $50. instead of splitting each year into many iphoto folders to keep from slowing down, i can now have all of my pics in one album. also, personally, i use iMovie a little, and the iDVD's ability to transfer to another superdrive equipped machine to burn an actual DVD will make me use iDVD now. (i have a combo drive PB.)

being a student also helps, $29 is a steal. so i don't mind this at all...

but i can definitely understand the sentiment of anger. it's not whining. it's not ridiculous. it's a very normal reaction to having something you had for free become not free.

 

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
give me a break. iphoto has SERIOUS problems that should have been addressed long ago. Now we have to pay for what amounts to bug fixes?

I don't want GarageBand, I don't want iDVD, I don't want imovie, I can get itunes for free anyway (oh gee, wonder why that is), so I'm supposed to pay $50 for iphoto bug fixes?? ROFL.

Apple made no explicit promises, but there was an understanding that these were free apps. I don't give a damn if you think it's justified or not, but I feel cheated. iapps are part of the OS. I bought a PB in September, bought Panther in October (and did I get a discount for buying a system 3 weeks earlier? No - but I bought Panther anyway.) and now it's another $50? Don't think so. (fires up Poisoned)

Why are you whining about the price, doesnt even seem like you need it. You don't have to buy everything Apple releases.

 

[JoeRadar]

Machiavellian theory

Here is a Machiavellian theory:

Apple will release iLife for Windows to drive out all the competitors. As Jobs mentioned today, they are hoping to eliminate the rest of the hard-disk based music players from the market.

Once Apple controls the market for (1) Jukebox apps (iTunes), (2) media players (iPod), (3) music stores, (4) Photo organizers, (5) movie editors, and (6) DVD burners, many consumers will stop believing that the best software is *only* available on Windows and will consider buying a Macintosh.

In other words, once Apple owns the market for most of the applications most people use most of the time, Apple can be more successful in luring them to the whole Macintosh lifestyle.

Just a wild idea

 

[qgrayson]

Free and not so free...

- It's more than a matter of 'free' applications suddenly becoming 'commercial'. Many of us bought the previous iLife package and feel that 50 bucks was thrown away.

- Apple should have at least offered an 'upgrade' price for those who invested in their first iLife package.

- It's too bad Apple is keeping users from downloading upgrades for iPhoto and iMovie since both have suffered from performance problems since the LAST upgrade.