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No More iPhoto or iMovie Downloads
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Not Suprising
I'm not really suprised by this move. Good things cost money, and the new iLife package is a lot of good things for a very modest amount of money. As long as the new features are worth paying for, I have no problem shelling out for the iLife suite. The improvements to iDVD alone are pretty significant. The usage I get from the free iTunes on a daily basis alone justifys the cost.
I own FCP4 and SoundTrack, and Garageband is JUST like it with the added ability to record and control intruments (wow). It's just lacking the huge sound fx loop library, but you can always buy the extra loops. $49 for all the updates is a steal, no argument here.
I'm not really suprised by this move. Good things cost money, and the new iLife package is a lot of good things for a very modest amount of money. As long as the new features are worth paying for, I have no problem shelling out for the iLife suite. The improvements to iDVD alone are pretty significant. The usage I get from the free iTunes on a daily basis alone justifys the cost.
I own FCP4 and SoundTrack, and Garageband is JUST like it with the added ability to record and control intruments (wow). It's just lacking the huge sound fx loop library, but you can always buy the extra loops. $49 for all the updates is a steal, no argument here.
cry, cry, cry
I always love to hear this argument. People are irresponsible when comes to making purchases. When you buy a car, do you hope that someday it'll get twice the gas mileage with a simple, free add-on? No. You buy it for it is at that moment. That's what you pay for. If it's not worth the sticker price at the time you purchase it, then don't buy it! Duh. The iLife apps WERE included with the computer when you bought it. If they sucked so bad that you NEED these new versions, well then you're pretty dumb for making the decision to buy the computer with the useless freebies.
Apple NEVER promised free iApp upgrades for life. We have all been VERY fortunate for what we were able to get for free. If you don't like the free apps ... go buy one that suits your needs better. It's really that simple. Although, you're probably not going to find any one alternative that's as useful or feature rich for less than $50 -- which would get you all five from Apple.
Honestly, if it does turn out to be true that iPhoto and iMovie will no longer be free downloads, then I too will be saddened by it. I use iPhoto a lot and have always looked forward to the new features the upgrades provided. However, I have gotten my moneys worth from the previous versions I have been using, so I can't really complain about it. I also understand, Apple is a company and as such they need to make money and giving away all this free stuff eventually comes to an end. So when I am ready (have the money), I will more than likely buy the iLife suite.
I always love to hear this argument. People are irresponsible when comes to making purchases. When you buy a car, do you hope that someday it'll get twice the gas mileage with a simple, free add-on? No. You buy it for it is at that moment. That's what you pay for. If it's not worth the sticker price at the time you purchase it, then don't buy it! Duh. The iLife apps WERE included with the computer when you bought it. If they sucked so bad that you NEED these new versions, well then you're pretty dumb for making the decision to buy the computer with the useless freebies.
Apple NEVER promised free iApp upgrades for life. We have all been VERY fortunate for what we were able to get for free. If you don't like the free apps ... go buy one that suits your needs better. It's really that simple. Although, you're probably not going to find any one alternative that's as useful or feature rich for less than $50 -- which would get you all five from Apple.
Honestly, if it does turn out to be true that iPhoto and iMovie will no longer be free downloads, then I too will be saddened by it. I use iPhoto a lot and have always looked forward to the new features the upgrades provided. However, I have gotten my moneys worth from the previous versions I have been using, so I can't really complain about it. I also understand, Apple is a company and as such they need to make money and giving away all this free stuff eventually comes to an end. So when I am ready (have the money), I will more than likely buy the iLife suite.
Re: as for last year
I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. Doesn't anyone remember that we had the exact same conversation about this last year, after Steve first talked about iLife and DIDN'T mention anything about free downloads? Please everyone, stop the madness! Apple has not announced any change of policy here. Until Apple says otherwise, there is no good reason to believe that iPhoto and iMovie won't still be free downloads.
I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. Doesn't anyone remember that we had the exact same conversation about this last year, after Steve first talked about iLife and DIDN'T mention anything about free downloads? Please everyone, stop the madness! Apple has not announced any change of policy here. Until Apple says otherwise, there is no good reason to believe that iPhoto and iMovie won't still be free downloads.
Just one question, as all the iApps were free before, what was the point in shelling out for the original iLife package?
BS
I've had over 600+ pictures in iPhoto and it works fine. It's only when people near a 1,000 or go over 1,000 when they have issues.
Use Apple DVD's instead of the cheap stuff. I've never had problem with iDVD not burning to a Apple DVD-R
Never really used iMovie...so I can't comment on it.
More then likely all these apps will be upgraded in the next OS upgrade.
But I plan to buy two new Macs this yr so I'm not too worried. Plus, it's only $29 bucks whats the big deal. Basically the price of Finding Nemo DVD.
Anyone that says they were cheated sound like cry babies to me and need to understand Apple needs make money to make new products.
I appreciate the link...
...but that's for those who buy systems...not the iLife software package.
- Some of us purchased the first iLife package in order to get the latest version of iDVD. That was last year. Now...if we want to upgrade THOSE apps we have to pay another 50 bucks.
- I agree with those who say that Apple should have kept the iApps separate. I'd rather pay a small fee to upgrade iMovie and iPhoto than have to buy apps I probably will never use just to get the needed upgrades.
- And let's be honest here: iMovie and iPhoto are dogs when it comes to performance.
...but that's for those who buy systems...not the iLife software package.
- Some of us purchased the first iLife package in order to get the latest version of iDVD. That was last year. Now...if we want to upgrade THOSE apps we have to pay another 50 bucks.
- I agree with those who say that Apple should have kept the iApps separate. I'd rather pay a small fee to upgrade iMovie and iPhoto than have to buy apps I probably will never use just to get the needed upgrades.
- And let's be honest here: iMovie and iPhoto are dogs when it comes to performance.
Reading this thread is unbelievable.
Welfare mentality has taken over. There has be NO agreement from Apple regarding iLife updates. You people complaining are only thinking of yourselves. You're not thinking about that software engineer with the mortgage, car payment and mouths to feed. You claim bugs are your justification for wanting a free upgrade the bugs obviously did not prevent you from using the application.
Commerce is centered around a mutual consideration for products and services. Each party must benefit. However the defining characteristic in the complaints all revolve around what YOU want.
The choice is simple. If you perceive the value of iLife to be $49 you will buy it. If you don't then you'll wait until the value proposition is more favorable to you. It's obvious that you want it because if you didn't you wouldn't be complaining on these boards.
Time for a little introspection folks. Never ASSuME anything when dealing in commerce. You stay happier.
Welfare mentality has taken over. There has be NO agreement from Apple regarding iLife updates. You people complaining are only thinking of yourselves. You're not thinking about that software engineer with the mortgage, car payment and mouths to feed. You claim bugs are your justification for wanting a free upgrade the bugs obviously did not prevent you from using the application.
Commerce is centered around a mutual consideration for products and services. Each party must benefit. However the defining characteristic in the complaints all revolve around what YOU want.
The choice is simple. If you perceive the value of iLife to be $49 you will buy it. If you don't then you'll wait until the value proposition is more favorable to you. It's obvious that you want it because if you didn't you wouldn't be complaining on these boards.
Time for a little introspection folks. Never ASSuME anything when dealing in commerce. You stay happier.
Not to be a wise guy but have you people ever thought TRYING the other apps? They might actually be FUN you know. Like most people I initially only used iTunes, now I use iPhoto more and more, I'm looking to start using iMovie once I get a analog to digital video converter and I just got a Firewire Audio interface so GarageBand might just be what I need next! The only thing I don't have is a SuperDrive so iDVD is kind of useless to me right now but even with just the other four apps, $49 is worth it.
I don't know about you but I feel excitement and joy when I buy an Apple product instead of 'oh here we go again.' I don't know why would you buy a product if it pains you so much to pay for it.
Shut the **ck Up
My GOD! Quit your whining! It's $49 - sure it was free - but I'd rather pay the $$ than use the CRAP they have on a PC and pay more.
For all those EDU buyers - it's only $29 for iLife and $69 for the extras (for Garage Band). Pony up the cash - it's a good bargin.
You guys are probably the ones bitching about .99 for a song. Geez, the only thing in life is free is jerking off and breathing.
Pirates - all of you.
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My GOD! Quit your whining! It's $49 - sure it was free - but I'd rather pay the $$ than use the CRAP they have on a PC and pay more.
For all those EDU buyers - it's only $29 for iLife and $69 for the extras (for Garage Band). Pony up the cash - it's a good bargin.
You guys are probably the ones bitching about .99 for a song. Geez, the only thing in life is free is jerking off and breathing.
Pirates - all of you.
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Actually, you don't have to do ANYTHING to "get the functionality you've come to expect from your Mac." I have yet to see that the old iApps are expiring.
Upgrading gets you *more* functionality.
Originally posted by latergator116
Someone already brought this up, but we just paid $129 for panther and many of us don't want to shell out more money.
Then don't. Just use what you have.
iDVD wasn't free, but basically anyone who wanted all the apps on cd's or people who couldnt downlaod them (i.e. have 56k) bought iLife
Good deal
I'll join the "it's a good deal" crowd.
Steve made a good point when he compared what you get with iLife for $49 with what it would cost you for similar-but-worse software on Windows -- greater than $300.
Sure, we Mac users have gotten it all for free before, but come on.
It's still a great deal. Stop whining.
GarageBand looks incredible!
Keep up the good work, Apple!
I'll join the "it's a good deal" crowd.
Steve made a good point when he compared what you get with iLife for $49 with what it would cost you for similar-but-worse software on Windows -- greater than $300.
Sure, we Mac users have gotten it all for free before, but come on.
It's still a great deal. Stop whining.
GarageBand looks incredible!
Keep up the good work, Apple!
No. Those versions were not free. They were paid for as part of the price of the machine. And since iPhoto had a great deal of performance problems and Apple had always been offering updates to it for Mac users without charging extra, it was not an outrageous thing for users to think that part of the premium paid went to future updates that would fix the performance issues.
Originally posted by evilbert420
Obviously, some of you choose to whine.
Obviously, some of you like to call other people names and can't address their arguments without a personal attack.
Just because you thought something, doesn't make it mean that it *was*!
All this complaining is amazing. As someone who has gone from an Apple ][ to a ][+, to a 128K Mac to 512, 1MB, 4MB, and so on down the line, $49 bucks for upgraded (and new) software is nothing.
600=a few hundred. Most people I know have far more than 600 photos, and iPhoto has serious issues with these NORMAL sized collections.
And I've used various brands of DVDs, including Apples. It makes no difference... iDVD's problems have absolutely nothing to do with the medium. The fact is the software is buggy, and bug fixes should be free!
Thank you!! Man, people.. do you think software just grows on trees? Apple just picked these after a year of growing?
$49 is a heck of a deal for one of these apps, never mind all of them.. and for those of you who pity the poor person who just shelled out for a G5, if they can't afford another $49 for this software, they should have gotten an eMac or iBook instead. (ie. they over extended themselves).
Sometimes it disgusts me that Mac users are so cheap, so opinionated, so expecting everything for free. Threads like this make me embarrassed to say I own a Macintosh.
If you don't like it, go buy a PC with Windows XP. You'll see how much better it is over here.
However logical/rational this measure might be, of course that I am not happy by having to pay to upgrade (no ones asking me to delete the previous versions) apps that were free.
However I find that Apple was getting too close to Microsoft's strategy of "I'll bundle for free what you competitors try to charge customers for, so beat that" that has got the Big Bro into so many legal problems. Apple somewhat frees itself of the see-it-coming consequences off that strategy by taking this step.
However I find that Apple was getting too close to Microsoft's strategy of "I'll bundle for free what you competitors try to charge customers for, so beat that" that has got the Big Bro into so many legal problems. Apple somewhat frees itself of the see-it-coming consequences off that strategy by taking this step.
Well, this is the last straw. Between the overpriced .mac and yearly fees to use OSX, I will just use my mac as-is from now on. Once my .mac runs out (i.e. the only reason I have to use iPhoto) I will not renew. Subsequently, I will not purchase iPhoto. I don't use iMovie because I don't have a need.
What's next? Apple charges for iTunes and Safari? How about I just let Apple bill me $50/month just for the joy of using a mac?
Oh, no iPod for me either. Wonderful Keynote. Just spectacular.
What's next? Apple charges for iTunes and Safari? How about I just let Apple bill me $50/month just for the joy of using a mac?
Oh, no iPod for me either. Wonderful Keynote. Just spectacular.
The thing that really bugs me about Apples recent software pricing is the differentials in US and UK prices, especially considering the differentials in discount offered to students.
Panther was $130 normally in the US and $69 edu price if I remember correctly, in the UK it was £99 ($180) and £69 ($129) for students.
And now iLife is $49 normally and $29 for students in the US and £39 ($71) normally and £29 ($52) for students.
I know there are tax and other differences, but I dont see why the eductaion discounts must be so much smaller in the UK.
Panther was $130 normally in the US and $69 edu price if I remember correctly, in the UK it was £99 ($180) and £69 ($129) for students.
And now iLife is $49 normally and $29 for students in the US and £39 ($71) normally and £29 ($52) for students.
I know there are tax and other differences, but I dont see why the eductaion discounts must be so much smaller in the UK.
Somehow it works fine with about 2500 phones on my G4. Ditto for iDVD with burning a total of 25 different DVDs. Just my experience.
Originally posted by coolbreeze
Well, this is the last straw. Between the overpriced .mac and yearly fees to use OSX, I will just use my mac as-is from now on. Once my .mac runs out (i.e. the only reason I have to use iPhoto) I will not renew. Subsequently, I will not purchase iPhoto. I don't use iMovie because I don't have a need.
What's next? Apple charges for iTunes and Safari? How about I just let Apple bill me $50/month just for the joy of using a mac?
Oh, no iPod for me either. Wonderful Keynote. Just spectacular.
Good, leave.. please. You're not wanted.
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