It sounds like he wants the iPhoto update that should be free, but he doesn't want to pay $50 for all that stuff he doesn't need. I would be pretty pissed if I were him too...
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It sounds like he wants the iPhoto update that should be free, but he doesn't want to pay $50 for all that stuff he doesn't need. I would be pretty pissed if I were him too...
Oh okay you seem to be quite up on this stuff... So, could you please provide some link that proves your statement to be fact? Cause till I see it otherwise then I'm going to assume Apple is still INCLUDING 'the latest' versions of iLife Apps (at the time the OS went GM) on the OS X install disks.
Did they not do that with iMovie v3.x (after all it wasn't available for DL any more) people here were pissed and bitchin cause they were "STUCK" with v2.x and didn't wanna pay...
So, did Panther come with the latest version of iMovie? I can't check now since I'm on a new G5 so I got all the newest iApps apps with the computer.
Dave
Originally posted by edesignuk
Another reason to be pissed off with todays events, honestly, do they want to loose customers??????
If they think I'm paying $49 for an iPhoto update (which is all I'd want), they've got another thing coming...
*starts up IRC*
edit: reminds me a bit of the whole iTools to .Mac thing
ok, I've done enough moaning for one night (justified IMO I might add), I'm off to bed to calm down...
I agree, this is an outrage!!!! I know its only 49 bucks but I just got a G5 and panther. They should give you this stuff for free. Panther is already 140.00
Originally posted by oldwatery
$49 for the bundle is more than cheap....so stop your whining. We all know each individual app is easily worth the price of admission. Agree on the incremental upgades....hopefully they will be free. As I watched the keynote I was burning to plonk down the $$$...oh well 10 days will pass fast enough! Nice one Steve/Apple.....we all expect too much of you sometimes
I don't think you understand that not everyone wants to pay for ALL the apps when they only need one or two.
Wow, what a self-satisfied and smug attitude.
Try to think about things from the perspective of people who recently got their machines. These people paid a premium for their Macs precisely because the iLife apps were included in the price of the machine, and they were led to believe that the premium would get them free updates for a while, as other Mac users had been getting them.
If they bought their Macs just a few months ago, they should be extremely angry at Apple's bait-and-switch tactics and they are right. They are not going to recommend Macs to their friends and they won't buy a new one in a year or so.
Seriously, that smugness in calling people who complain about this "whiners" without thinking about their position is embarrassing. The iLife package is not FREE -- it was paid for by the premium charged by Apple on their machines, and which everyone paid for.
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Exactly. I just want iPhoto. I'd be happy to pay $10 for the upgrade. I will NOT pay $49 for a bunch of apps that I don't use and don't care about.
This is just like .Mac. I'd be happy to pay $25 a year for the IMAP email, but not $100 for a bunch of other bundled stuff that I don't care about.
Apple can start to charge for these things, but unbundle them. They'd hear a lot less complaints and make more money.
Exactly. I just want iPhoto. I'd be happy to pay $10 for the upgrade. I will NOT pay $49 for a bunch of apps that I don't use and don't care about.
This is just like .Mac. I'd be happy to pay $25 a year for the IMAP email, but not $100 for a bunch of other bundled stuff that I don't care about.
Apple can start to charge for these things, but unbundle them. They'd hear a lot less complaints and make more money.
Some people may be mad by this expo, but Garage Band was the exact software I've been looking for!!!! I'm very very happy. Plus about the money thing. 29 bucks edu discount.... for 5 programs... When garageband is worth much much more then that itself.. I'm happy. Plus if you are that desperate for cash just pirate it. It is quite easy.
$50 is nothing for 5 nice applications. There is no way that Apple wouldn't be paying a ton in bandwidth costs alone for iDVD and Garage Band.
Lets face it, updates cost money to develop, debug, download etc - OS's, applications etc.
You obviously liked what you had enough to buy it at first, so just keep what you have if you don't want new features and if $49 is too much.
Lets face it, updates cost money to develop, debug, download etc - OS's, applications etc.
You obviously liked what you had enough to buy it at first, so just keep what you have if you don't want new features and if $49 is too much.
I've been holding off my new iBook purchase until today. Didn't get the price drop I had hoped for, but since Steve says iLife 04 will be free with a new Mac if I order today will I get some sort of certificate for a free upgrade?
I said it once and I'll say it again--$50 for these 5 apps is nothing. Worth every penny and more. Go price the closest equivalent to all of this software for Windows, and then tell me it's too much money.
"Seriously, that smugness in calling people who complain about this "whiners" without thinking about their position is embarrassing. The iLife package is not FREE -- it was paid for by the premium charged by Apple on their machines, and which everyone paid for."
Those versions were free, and they still work as advertised. The new versions add new features, right?
Look, I just bought a new Mac, and I also just shelled out $140 for Panther. To me, $49 is a steal, and $79 for 5 copies is flat-out amazing.
I think it IS whining, just like people whine when new machines get launched after they just bought theirs. Do we NOT expect technology to march on? Are you buying a new machine with X capabilities, or are you buying a place in Apple's product line and you want to maximize its place in that line?
Didn't iLife cost $49 last year? Aren't your free versions of the apps still free and still working? It's not like they're charging you for using those versions any more. They're charging for new features and new applications. It's your choice.
Obviously, some of you choose to whine.
Those versions were free, and they still work as advertised. The new versions add new features, right?
Look, I just bought a new Mac, and I also just shelled out $140 for Panther. To me, $49 is a steal, and $79 for 5 copies is flat-out amazing.
I think it IS whining, just like people whine when new machines get launched after they just bought theirs. Do we NOT expect technology to march on? Are you buying a new machine with X capabilities, or are you buying a place in Apple's product line and you want to maximize its place in that line?
Didn't iLife cost $49 last year? Aren't your free versions of the apps still free and still working? It's not like they're charging you for using those versions any more. They're charging for new features and new applications. It's your choice.
Obviously, some of you choose to whine.
OK, how about $20 per app or all five (four really since iTunes is still downloadable) for $50? So if you wanted to use 3 or more then it would be cheaper to buy the whole package. I'm sure that'll make a bunch of other people mad though.
Doesn't really matter, cause it won't happen.
Sheesh
Sheesh guys, $49 is not that much. Lay off on the McD's or beer for a month and you got enough to pay for it in no time.
You have to realize that $49 goes to pay for alot of more than just the cost of the software. That's paying for the packaging, the cost of distribution, any printed manuals, any cd packaging and who knows what else.
Considering how well these apps do what they are designed to do, you are getting far more for your money than what it costs.
Now sure, I realize some of you only want one of these apps. But find me one app that does all of what one of these apps does...and is so cheap. I don't think you'll find one...and even if you do...you g et 4 more apps for the same price.
But you're saying...I only need that one app...well maybe now...what's to say in a year or whatever you find you need one of the others. You'd be sure glad you had the others and didn't have to pay another $49 or more for the other app.
This is a great bundle and a great deal.
Sheesh guys, $49 is not that much. Lay off on the McD's or beer for a month and you got enough to pay for it in no time.
You have to realize that $49 goes to pay for alot of more than just the cost of the software. That's paying for the packaging, the cost of distribution, any printed manuals, any cd packaging and who knows what else.
Considering how well these apps do what they are designed to do, you are getting far more for your money than what it costs.
Now sure, I realize some of you only want one of these apps. But find me one app that does all of what one of these apps does...and is so cheap. I don't think you'll find one...and even if you do...you g et 4 more apps for the same price.
But you're saying...I only need that one app...well maybe now...what's to say in a year or whatever you find you need one of the others. You'd be sure glad you had the others and didn't have to pay another $49 or more for the other app.
This is a great bundle and a great deal.
The worst thing about being a Mac user is the Apple appologists who will go to any length to say that what Apple is doing is the right thing to do. If Apple started selling some of these people a block of plastic with no function at all for $5000 most of them would say that it was the greatest, coolest and most amazing block of plastic ever made and that the price was perfectly reasonable.
Anyway you ask why I expected the cost to be included with Panther. Well the answer is simple: because iMovie and iPhoto have always been free. I would not expect this to change. What Apple is doing is releasing the iLife bundle just after the OS to make users want the new apps. Some will buy these apps now and others will wait out with the obsolete versions until they buy the next OS upgrade. This seems like really evil business practise to me.
Next you say that I have to pay 0 every year. Wrong. I need to be able to use the latest versions of technologies such as Java and the Cocoa APIs as well as be able to run the latest developer tools. Basically I need this stuff for work.
Apps with Panther
I haven't upgraded to Panther yet. iPhoto and iMovie comebundled with Panther. If you go to the Panther page on the Apple website and click on the bundled apps it takes you to the new iPhoto, iMovie.
Does this mean if I buy Panther in the future I get the v4 apps - I only need/use iPhoto and iMovie - not iDVD or Garageband.
I'd be p****d if I had bought Panther last week and had to pay again to update. Interesting to see if they allow downloads in a couple of weeks as they did last year. Not really equitable if they don't.
I haven't upgraded to Panther yet. iPhoto and iMovie comebundled with Panther. If you go to the Panther page on the Apple website and click on the bundled apps it takes you to the new iPhoto, iMovie.
Does this mean if I buy Panther in the future I get the v4 apps - I only need/use iPhoto and iMovie - not iDVD or Garageband.
I'd be p****d if I had bought Panther last week and had to pay again to update. Interesting to see if they allow downloads in a couple of weeks as they did last year. Not really equitable if they don't.
as for last year
TO everyone saying that looking what happend last year, everyone thought we were going to have to pay and then 2 weeks later we didn't, it was said in the keynote that they were to be free downloads and also there was a place holder on the webosite saying the date that it was to be released
TO everyone saying that looking what happend last year, everyone thought we were going to have to pay and then 2 weeks later we didn't, it was said in the keynote that they were to be free downloads and also there was a place holder on the webosite saying the date that it was to be released
For Canadian customers it is. I like iPhoto but don't need the other programs. So for me to dish out close to $100 buck CND for one program is too much when i could have had it free just this morning.
Yes, but they were still downloadable off apples website (except for iDVD). But iMovie 3 for example works, but it is very slow so I would like a free upgrade (btw, iMovie 2 was fast)
it's worth it!
Stop complaining people, the iLife package is totally worth $49 ($29 if you are student!). Apple has spent a lot of effort and money to build these GREAT and UNIQUE applications for us Mac users, they should get something in return. I dare any of you to find any other vendor offering so much for so little (other than BSD and GNU people).
The bottom line is that Apple is not GNU, they HIRE software engineers to make these great apps and they should get something in return for their effort, $49 is more than reasonable, as matter of fact, it's outrageously cheap! That said, I'll be very outraged if Apple decide to raise the price at some point in the future.
Stop complaining people, the iLife package is totally worth $49 ($29 if you are student!). Apple has spent a lot of effort and money to build these GREAT and UNIQUE applications for us Mac users, they should get something in return. I dare any of you to find any other vendor offering so much for so little (other than BSD and GNU people).
The bottom line is that Apple is not GNU, they HIRE software engineers to make these great apps and they should get something in return for their effort, $49 is more than reasonable, as matter of fact, it's outrageously cheap! That said, I'll be very outraged if Apple decide to raise the price at some point in the future.
There lies the problem... the last version of the iApps did NOT work as advertised. iPhoto was useless if you had more than a few hundred pictures. iMovie is slower than sh*t, even on my dual G5. It also crashes quite frequently. iDVD fails to burn DVDs reliably, has serious audio synch issues, and has brought down my ENTIRE system on two seperate occasions.
If Apple wants to charge for GarageBand, fine... it's probably worth $49 all by itself. But those of us who have struggled to get ANYTHING done with the last version of iLife should NOT have to pay to upgrade iDVD, iMovie, and iPhoto.
seriously though...
Up until now they have been free. Free means a bonus. I appreciate that when something that was previously free is hard to stomach when you are suddenly charged for it, but seriously rating its cost against other products on the market price wise... $49 is really very little to ask for the quality of product you receive...
Lets look at iPhoto first. Now i know that this hasnt had the most responsive GUI, but I use this everyday. I take my smallest camera with me everywhere and take at least 30 pictures a day (buildings, textures for 3D etc) and use iPhoto as a catalog tool, something that photoshop CS the programme that I pay several hundred pounds for still doesnt do.
What about iMovie? I have friends (PC users only bless them) who come round to use iMovie to edit their stuff. I use Final Cut and Shake most days professionally, but they would rather use iMovie for the sheer easyness of the whole affair. It makes editing fun.
iTunes. Well this one is a bit of a stealth tax as no other product will integrate correctly if you buy an iPod, but the level of ease over its closest rivals is surely worth it, particularly given the ITMS offerings.
iDVD. Now this i love. If a client asks for a simple DVD more often than not i will use iDVD instead of DVD Studio Pro. Why? again it comes down to integration with the other products. I can log the clients pictures into iPhoto, the music to iTunes and bam... Job done.
And whats this? GarageBand? A new app combining some of the best elements of soundtrack ($299) and emagic logic 6 (£649) and puts them into another stupid-proof GUI for all of us. I'm no musician but I'm sold...
Somewhere down the line Apple has to charge us for developing these products given their small market share. The OS as has been mentioned always includes the iLife suite. If you really cant afford $49 for software then cut down on beer/books/music/cinema/coffees for a few weeks.
Up until now they have been free. Free means a bonus. I appreciate that when something that was previously free is hard to stomach when you are suddenly charged for it, but seriously rating its cost against other products on the market price wise... $49 is really very little to ask for the quality of product you receive...
Lets look at iPhoto first. Now i know that this hasnt had the most responsive GUI, but I use this everyday. I take my smallest camera with me everywhere and take at least 30 pictures a day (buildings, textures for 3D etc) and use iPhoto as a catalog tool, something that photoshop CS the programme that I pay several hundred pounds for still doesnt do.
What about iMovie? I have friends (PC users only bless them) who come round to use iMovie to edit their stuff. I use Final Cut and Shake most days professionally, but they would rather use iMovie for the sheer easyness of the whole affair. It makes editing fun.
iTunes. Well this one is a bit of a stealth tax as no other product will integrate correctly if you buy an iPod, but the level of ease over its closest rivals is surely worth it, particularly given the ITMS offerings.
iDVD. Now this i love. If a client asks for a simple DVD more often than not i will use iDVD instead of DVD Studio Pro. Why? again it comes down to integration with the other products. I can log the clients pictures into iPhoto, the music to iTunes and bam... Job done.
And whats this? GarageBand? A new app combining some of the best elements of soundtrack ($299) and emagic logic 6 (£649) and puts them into another stupid-proof GUI for all of us. I'm no musician but I'm sold...
Somewhere down the line Apple has to charge us for developing these products given their small market share. The OS as has been mentioned always includes the iLife suite. If you really cant afford $49 for software then cut down on beer/books/music/cinema/coffees for a few weeks.
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