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No NFC in Next-Generation iPhone

Geckotek said:
That was only one of the purchases.
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Two of them. Poly9 and C3 Technologies are 3D maps and Placebase is a regular map application - Placebase have some cool layers and a better API so if this was paired with updated maps and data this would be a no-brainer.

At least C3 Technologies is from Scandinavia - so there's some hope.

Geckotek said:
I have faith that Apple will do what they need to get the maps app in shape. *crosses fingers* ;)
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I'm pretty sure this will work in most major US cities - but it will be disappointing everywhere else for quite a while. Siri is a perfect example of "Apple technology" that doesn't really work in the rest of the world and now one of the essential apps on a smartphone may suffer the same fate.

I also have my fingers crossed - but I prefer to have a phone that "just works". I don't know if it's because we have seen every little detail of this one before it hits - but this is disappointing.
 
Geckotek said:
you must have skipped the part where they explain that NFC antennas are large...and why they are that way. The chip being described as potentially NFC is too small.

Edit: not to mention, if it were an NFC antenna it wouldn't be shielded.

With this drive to size everything down, I could see where Apple could make a judgement call and not want to include a technology that will limit their drive to shrink the device further in the future. Perhaps the NFC antenna will be a limiting factor in the future.
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Thanks for the correction, however, as I said (in the post you responded to, and quoted), no, I hadn't read the article beyond what was posted in the MR summary.

Prior articles here on MR had pointed that little square bit out as being an NFC antenna, and I hadn't seen anyone in those articles claim that it wasn't, so the new article (with the same picture, minus the red circle) saying the window is far too small for an NFC antenna seemed a bit off.

I suppose I made a bit of an assumption that MR would do at least basic fact-checking on their articles before posting them. My bad. :rolleyes:
 
tbrinkma said:
Thanks for the correction, however, as I said (in the post you responded to, and quoted), no, I hadn't read the article beyond what was posted in the MR summary.
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I know, that's why I said you didn't read it. I was pointing that out to you in a serious manner. No trying to be a smart ***.

tbrinkma said:
Prior articles here on MR had pointed that little square bit out as being an NFC antenna, and I hadn't seen anyone in those articles claim that it wasn't, so the new article (with the same picture, minus the red circle) saying the window is far too small for an NFC antenna seemed a bit off.

I suppose I made a bit of an assumption that MR would do at least basic fact-checking on their articles before posting them. My bad. :rolleyes:
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MR is pretty much just reposting articles from other places. From time to time they post original content, but not often.
 
I think not...

nick_elt said:
whats funny is the fanboys say its overated and not taking off if its not in the next iphone, but if it is they will be going on and on about it how its the best thing since sliced bread
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Do you REALLY believe this?!? Is it REALLY that important to wave your phone and pay? Visa/MC/AMEX have had RFID available for years but as someone who works in retail, I see very little of it.

Sorry to tell, but people really DON'T care and when this becomes an "issue" it shows that designers are running out of ideas.
 
Enigmafan420 said:
Do you REALLY believe this?!? Is it REALLY that important to wave your phone and pay? Visa/MC/AMEX have had RFID available for years but as someone who works in retail, I see very little of it.

Sorry to tell, but people really DON'T care and when this becomes an "issue" it shows that designers are running out of ideas.
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Areyou in the states? Cos I see alot of paypass/paywave here in Europe and its getting more and more popular. I also use it in my restaurant so yes I do see an increase You may think its not important now. But I have a whole wallet full of bank cards that I carry with me and I always carry my phone. Do you see where this is going????? Anyway there is MORE to NFC than payments.
 
nick_elt said:
Areyou in the states? Cos I see alot of paypass/paywave here in Europe and its getting more and more popular.
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I think these 2 statements should be separated. I see payment terminals.....but to say they are popular implies everyone is using them. I've NEVER seen another person besides myself attempt to use PayPass. And several times I've tried, the the terminals are disabled by the store.
 
Geckotek said:
I think these 2 statements should be separated. I see payment terminals.....but to say they are popular implies everyone is using them. I've NEVER seen another person besides myself attempt to use PayPass. And several times I've tried, the the terminals are disabled by the store.
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nfc is quite popular in nyc.
 
I have had credit cards using NFC for quite a while, I haven't ever used it.
I have never been aware of a compatible terminal,I personally have no use for it yet. I am not sure I would want to flash an iPhone in a station in quiet times, it seems like an invitation to get robbed.
 
BSben said:
I have had credit cards using NFC for quite a while, I haven't ever used it.
I have never been aware of a compatible terminal,I personally have no use for it yet. I am not sure I would want to flash an iPhone in a station in quiet times, it seems like an invitation to get robbed.
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and taking out your wallet in a station in quiet times is not an invitation to get robbed?
 
lazard said:
yes, where do you put your metrocard?
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Usually in a pocket for quick access. Esp if I'm wearing a jacking with a zippered sleeve or chest pocket. Nothing I hate more than fumbling for a metrocard trying to through a turnstyle while watching the next train leave the station.

If I do keep it in my wallet, it's one of those wallets with a money clip; I can pull my card out w/o removing my wallet from my pocket.
 
Geckotek said:
not 100% true. The longer you sit in line, the more likely you are to buy the crap sitting around the register. They actually want you to stand in line to a certain degree.

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Sure, but can you point out the last time he was wrong? There's a reason we listen to and trust him.
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Except that you are confusing the time it takes to process a single customer at the register, with the total time it takes for a customer to complete a purchase. Naturally, the former has impact on the latter, but it is not the only factor. For the sake of simplicity, lets assume that System X can cut the processing time in half. Now, cut amount of registers in half. What happens to the "total time spent by customer"? It stays flat. What happens to the store? Savings both in terms of employees, equipment and floor space.

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Allenbf said:
Yes, I do, and I know where you're going but it's not the same.
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Why is NFC worse for theft/privacy than a credit/debit card?
 
divinox said:
Except that you are confusing the time it takes to process a single customer at the register, with the total time it takes for a customer to complete a purchase. Naturally, the former has impact on the latter, but it is not the only factor. For the sake of simplicity, lets assume that System X can cut the processing time in half. Now, cut amount of registers in half. What happens to the "total time spent by customer"? It stays flat. What happens to the store? Savings both in terms of employees, equipment and floor space.
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Lol, I didn't confuse anything. No matter how you parse the time, the time spent in front of impulse items is now shorter.
 
thewitt said:
This is why AnandTech's observation is flawed.

Apple holds a patent on using NFC inside a metal enclosure.

http://www.nfcworld.com/2011/07/11/38507/

"Electronic device with conductive housing and near field antenna"

Oh, and it's a spiral...
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The full text of that patent is very interesting, it kind of explains why one version of the uni body case had noticeable tooling groves while the in a later uni-body casing photo those groves had been either filled or ground out.
 
It is a very interesting patent - even more so considering when they applied for it.
 
AbyssImpact said:
They didn't want to get sued by Google. They patented that already.
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Correct.

Beginning to think Anandtech is in bed with Apple.

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lazard said:
nfc is quite popular in nyc.
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Yes it is. And much like Americans initial resistance to debit cards, for the present time it's that same concern with NFC.

I'm not endorsing either, but it is what it is... Financial transaction processing being spearheaded by Big Finance, selling it to the consumer as "fast convenient & secure".

At the end of the day its grabbing more of our money as fast as they can for their gain. Nothing new.
 
Geckotek said:
Lol, I didn't confuse anything. No matter how you parse the time, the time spent in front of impulse items is now shorter.
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How is it shorter if you spend the exact same amount of time from the point when you arrive at the register to the point when you take your bags and leave? Isnt the exact same time just that? Not shorter. Not longer. Exactly the same.

The window for impulse shopping doesnt magically open the second the teller greets you. Time and exposure is all that really matters.
 
divinox said:
How is it shorter if you spend the exact same amount of time from the point when you arrive at the register to the point when you take your bags and leave? Isnt the exact same time just that? Not shorter. Not longer. Exactly the same.

The window for impulse shopping doesnt magically open the second the teller greets you. Time and exposure is all that really matters.
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How can you spend the same amount of time in line when the person in front of you spent less time due to their super-duper ultra fast NFC checkout? Come on man, pay attention. One has a direct affect on the other.
 
Huge fail, I was gonna base my decision on whether to purchase iPhone 5 or not on two things, 4G and NFC. To those who wonder what NFC is good for, amongst other things, mobile payments.

Well maybe it's good news for the other companies though, they can rest assured that they won't get sued for using NFC for at least another year.
 
Geckotek said:
How can you spend the same amount of time in line when the person in front of you spent less time due to their super-duper ultra fast NFC checkout? Come on man, pay attention. One has a direct affect on the other.
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If each transaction takes half the time, you can let the lines get twice as long, without impacting the actual time spent in line.
 
I've used NFC with the Nexus S. It was cool....but like 90% of the stores I go to don't use it. So unless more stores integrate it, it's like buy an HDTV in 1999. Virutally no support.
 
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