No Touch Bar - Your thoughts?

[lindros2]

HDMI doesn’t always work - depends on the system those presenters have installed - trust me!

I was in a really important meeting in Montreal a couple years ago - I had a 2019 MBP and my colleague had an older one with an HDMI port.

His actually zinged the whole system and we couldn't get his computer to present.

I ran everything from mine with a USB-C to HDMI dongle. Wasn't a problem.

(otherwise in our corp offices we use Zoom Conference Rooms and now Teams... or AirPlay)

 

[lindros2]

Im not quite sure what apple is doing nowadays..

egpu support with blackmagic… then
no egpu support..

Touch bar.. suddenly no touchbar…

bringing back old sd/hdmi again…

what next? You really cant build or plan any future proof ”studio” because you really dont know what happens next with apple.

Im not sure, do they - in apple - know themselves either. they should give ”mac” for other companies to develope further. With apple mac is dead for sure…

the "pro" for me is upgrade capability. My 2011 is still humming along with a 2TB drive - although it's slow because I missed late 2011... duh - but i've upgraded RAM and replaced the trackpad myself...

 

[ducati1212]

In 3 years I used the volume button and the brightness button on the Touch Bar and that was it. Never even looked at it

 

[Pro_the_legend]

Going back to a function row is a backward step. I'd rather have a contextual touchscreen which can anyway do the things a function row can plus much more.

 

[Seiko4169]

Just wish they'd included the BTO option for Touch Bar. I wonder if costs came into play and they drew a line. No reason to remove when some people find it a useful workflow item. A maxed 14" with Touch Bar would have ticked all my boxes.

 

[Hunter5117]

No Touch Bar was one reason I grabbed up an open box 13" M1. I like it and hope to keep my 2 MBPs with the Touch Bar as long as possible. Maybe it will make a come back someday.

 

[MacNut]

This all seems so bizarre on Apples part to basically undo all the changes made in 2016 and take a step backwards. With Airplay and wireless tech with do people need a dedicated HDMI port so badly? The Touch Bar was a nice differentiator too.

Apple was fixing a mistake. They are saying Jony Ive doesn't work here anymore.

 

[travelsheep]

I dislike most of it, but I LOVE ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ LOVE LOVE LOVE the context confirm buttons. Whenever some program asks me "Delete", "Save As..", "Whatever" I just press that on the touch bar and done. I enjoy it hugely EVERY . SINGLE . TIME . Before I had to finger precision trackpad to the according onscreen button, a nightmare. I think the touch bar saved me 100rds of lifetime hours.

My 2018 MacBook Pro needs replacement, therefore I'm seriously thinking about buying the last M1 MacBook Pro 2020 just to enjoy the context confirm buttons a few more years.

Btw, how do peeps live without that? Do they really have to finger trackpad the mouse pointer over the according on screen button each time, like in the years before 2016 .. the pre-touch bar age ??

 

[Hunter5117]

Btw, how do peeps live without that? Do they really have to finger trackpad the mouse pointer over the according on screen button each time, like in the years before 2016 .. the pre-touch bar age ??

Yep, its like making fire by striking 2 rocks together! ????

 

[Harlowgold1]

Personally, I disliked the Touchbar. It was too awkward to hit or I would accidentally activate something.

 

[bobcomer]

I had it on my old 15" MBP and didn't like it. I needed real function keys with some of the software I used.

 

[Pro_the_legend]

I had it on my old 15" MBP and didn't like it. I needed real function keys with some of the software I used.

You could’ve just configured the Touch Bar to show function keys all the time…

No offense to you, but I feel like people never tried out the Touch Bar and played around with it to suit their needs. There’s no reason a row of buttons should be considered better than a contextual screen. I feel like most of the Touch Bar hate comes from it freezing up due to random kernel panic when it was launched. It didn’t help that until recently, the escape key was also integrated into the Touch Bar

 

[kazmac]

I prefer the physical F keys myself. Tried noodling around with the Touch Bar, but it is not useful for me.

 

[EnderTW]

Touchbar was a terrible design decision. Lenovo tried it and got held over the coals by professionals forcing Lenovo to turn it back. Took apple way too long to “listen”

Throw that crap in the MacBook Air for the people that just use their computers for web browsing and music. Doesn’t belong in a computer used by professionals.

 

[EnderTW]

You could’ve just configured the Touch Bar to show function keys all the time…

No offense to you, but I feel like people never tried out the Touch Bar and played around with it to suit their needs. There’s no reason a row of buttons should be considered better than a contextual screen. I feel like most of the Touch Bar hate comes from it freezing up due to random kernel panic when it was launched. It didn’t help that until recently, the escape key was also integrated into the Touch Bar

You’ve never worked with vim have you?

Touch bar gave no context without having you to focus on a strip of glass. It’s not about putting function keys there.

It’s a different height to the regular keys
It’s non contextual, you don’t know what you’re hitting with glass.
In productive work on the go you don’t want to be spending time fiddling with things

But to each their own.

 

[bobcomer]

You could’ve just configured the Touch Bar to show function keys all the time…

I did, but there's no tactile feel on the touch bar, so I have to look to hit a key -- not good for something you do often.

No offense to you, but I feel like people never tried out the Touch Bar and played around with it to suit their needs.

Or they played around with it and still didn't like it. I ended up in the end that I didn't use it for anything at all but function keys, and it was sub optimal for that. I only saw the touch bar crash once, so that didn't bother me.

I know how it could be useful for some, but I wasn't one of them.

 

[Paapaa]

No offense to you, but I feel like people never tried out the Touch Bar and played around with it to suit their needs. There’s no reason a row of buttons should be considered better than a contextual screen. I feel like most of the Touch Bar hate comes from it freezing up due to random kernel panic when it was launched. It didn’t help that until recently, the escape key was also integrated into the Touch Bar

Oh, I tried it. And after 4 years of continuous use it still sucks and I'm so glad Apple got rid of that idiotic feature finally. Having touch-screen on your keyboard does not make sense if you touch type. I never got any kernel panics. TouchBar worked as it is supposed to work. And that is so much worse than physical buttons. Even for changing volume or screen brightness I prefer the buttons. Let alone f-keys. The only possible solution would be to have mostly physical keys but a narrower touch-portion on the keyboard which only works as a slider and would not require you to actually look at it.

But for now, they did the 100% correct decision and got rid of TB.

 

[Macintosh101]

I miss the auto-suggestions for words when typing on the Touch Bar most.

 

[Macintosh101]

hot take - notch, lack of touch bar and black keyboard: Could we see in the not too distant future a version of this chassis without physical keys but actually a bottom touch screen to complement the non touch screen ?

There is an Apple patent floating around of this actually

 

[cardfan]

It was a useless gimmick from the start. Glad it's gone.

He learned this from internet. Also. Facebook is bad.

 

[miamialley]

The only task I liked the Touch Bar for was scrubbing video. It was awesome for that. Other than that, literally never found it use. If anything, added more steps to tasks.

 

[Micka88]

That MBP touch bar was almost useless - being so thin. If it was 3 times thicker (like on some PC laptops) it would be practical but in that way not at all.

 

[tis]

He learned this from internet. Also. Facebook is bad.

Apple, who doesn’t like to admit defeat, clearly felt otherwise. Bye bye touchbar.

 

[mouthster]

This new keyboard is so much better. Even using the Touch ID button feels more satisfying. The Touch Bar was a user-hostile abomination.

 

[supermars]

I liked it, but I don’t think that I will miss it that much. I was using more the Touch Bar than the Function keys, but many people complained about it so much that it may be better to go backward on this.

I don’t believe Touch Bar will ever make a comeback, but hey, I never thought that Apple would add again an SD card slot, HDMI port and MagSafe charging, so one can hope

Hope the Touch Bar and HDMI in next MacBook Air !