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Desperate Company 1 & 2... So true... LMFAO :) :) :)!!!

So untrue, LMFAOBT. MS can just sit out the entire Apple hype until the fanboys find another shiny toy. MS will still be on top and Apple back in the mud. This deal with Nokia is actually a good show case of that, they're immediately No1 in phone business weather you like it or not. That's right now as we speak - No1.
 
That would be interesting, in light of Nokia's billion dollar lawsuit against Apple for not paying GSM/WiFi patent fees.

this is actually more interesting than the 1990's when everyone thought MS was going to rule the world. now we have MS, Apple, Google and a few other companies and they are all pretty much frenemies. they do a lot of business and collaboration together but they are always looking to stab each other in the back as well

good move for MS. the smartphone market is pretty close to the year 2000 or so for the PC market. when it hit the commodity label and it didn't really matter which brand you bought. building an Android phone is still a lot of money and MS just has a big customer to help it fund WInPo development

once the feature creep slows down it will be time to cut costs since even today iphones/droids and other smartphones are virtually the same under the covers. MS will have an advantage since it's cheaper to license an OS than spend money to code new features yourself
 
Smart move by Nokia.
If they went Android, they would have been another "me too" phone maker.
WP7 is very nice. The UI is more polished than most Android implementations.
still needs some work under the hood though.
 
A great move by both companies and great for us consumers.

What a lot of people around here fail to realize is that competition drives innovation for Apple products....not a blindly loyal fanbase that's going to buy their products regardless of what's out there and defend them to death on an Mac message board.

It's no coincidence that the major leap in the iPhone 4 upgrade cycle happened to come when Android put some heat on Apple. Before that people were happy just to simple functionality updates like MMS or friggin compass. Now you're seeing hi-res displays, tethering, hot-spots and Apple falling all over themselves to pump out features that used to be slowly dripped out.

Three strong competitors will continue to push innovation, which will benefit you even if you have no intention of switching phones.
 
What happens when two giant gorillas jump on a small row boat? (I'll let you fill in the punch line). :D
 
WP7 may succeed only due to the amount of phones that Nokia can sell.

There was an article stating that Europeans didn't want Nokia to go with Android because the smartphone market would be dominated by Apple and Android.

Its a sad day - Nokia moving towards WP7.

Why is that sad? Windows Phone 7 is a great mobile operating system.
 
I keep reading all the poo-pooing about this, but I don't get it. People are acting like this is the release of New Coke, or the Yugo. I'll grant that for the US market this doesn't seem to change much if anything for either company. Maybe I'm naive, but I think this has potential in the overseas markets.

Certainly if both companies were doing well respectively it's not clear this would make sense. However there is a real opportunity for each company to turn their fortunes around with this partnership. Nokia has a big global footprint, and there are alot of untapped users out there in emerging markets. If, and of course it's a big IF, Nokia and MS can start churning out phones soon then they might get some traction overseas.
 
Smart move by Nokia.
If they went Android, they would have been another "me too" phone maker.
WP7 is very nice. The UI is more polished than most Android implementations.
still needs some work under the hood though.

I agree that it's a pretty smart move by Nokia. They weren't going to get anywhere trying to develop their own OS (they really haven't gained any traction with developing a MeeGo or Symbian ecosytem). WP7 is a pretty good base to start with, and Nokia can make some good looking hardware. With Microsoft dictating the minimum hardware specs needed for WP7 (like they currently do), I think the Nokia/Microsoft partnership is actually good for both companies. Nokia instantly gets a very good OS without having to incur the cost of development nor become just another "me too" Android maker that would have to use yet another skin to differentiate their Android product, and Microsoft gets a hardware manufacturer that they heavily influence.
 
So untrue, LMFAOBT. MS can just sit out the entire Apple hype until the fanboys find another shiny toy. MS will still be on top and Apple back in the mud. This deal with Nokia is actually a good show case of that, they're immediately No1 in phone business weather you like it or not. That's right now as we speak - No1.

Nokia is #1 in overall cell phones, but nowhere in smart phones. So, they don't jump to the head of the line.

Also... all in all... it's a HUGE market and many competitors can be out there. Apple just needs to stay focused on delivering a premium experience and they will maintain.
 
I was hoping for this. Look forward to seeing some great hardware from Nokia with a maturing OS from MS. Lots of models, lots of price points. Fantastic.

Competition = Good.

This is only bad news if you're not into new technology.
 
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Great. 2 things no one wants merged together.
 
Nokia is #1 in overall cell phones, but nowhere in smart phones. So, they don't jump to the head of the line.

Really? Nokia sell the most smartphones in the world. Though their market share is falling fast.


Why is that sad? Windows Phone 7 is a great mobile operating system.

I'd rather Nokia continue with Symbian until Meego is ready and build from there. But, the timeframe for this is too long. I feel Nokia are keeping Meego around in case WP7 venture fails.
 
Nokia is #1 in overall cell phones, but nowhere in smart phones. So, they don't jump to the head of the line.

Really?

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Worldwide Smartphone Sales in 2010 in Millions of Units (Source: IDC)

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/0...-place-among-global-smartphone-manufacturers/
 
As has been said by EVERYONE, dumbphones are on their way out and Nokia has lead the way for a long time here. I used to buy nothing but Nokia because the body of the ones I liked were super-hard plastic and I could drop it without any breakage (I was careless and a cell phone was "just a phone")... so I would always bring in my Nokia phone and ask for the next version up with the same impenetrable body style. I know I was not alone.

Now -- with dumbphones on their way out and these owners wanting to move on, I think that brand loyalty will help them tremendously. Especially older people who would almost be afraid to get something else. Think about this: if you are used to just having a cell phone and doing anything but dialing the phone gives you hives, wouldn't your first smartphone purchase be just a terrifying experience? Wouldn't you say "I'm going to stick with the brand that I've trusted up until now?" I bet yes. I think that Nokia is in a good place here. They're getting a good OS (I hear) with the Ecosystem being built and updated everyday.

Microsoft is really the winner here because they're riding piggyback on top of a true dominator in the phone field.

The problem with old-timers is that they tend to NOT trade up even when they're due a new phone. They have a phone that they're used to, it works, they understand how to use 15% of it and that makes them happy. They're screwing this whole thing up for everyone. They need to just re-up on time, get their new Nokia SlamJam5000 and keep the market rolling. Because they don't and everyone else is begging their carrier to re-up early in order to get the latest, it skews everything.

I think as people (old and young alike) get smartphones that easier to use, most people are going to want to get a little something more for their money. It used to be that when you got a new phone, you had to learn a completely new OS. Now, when it becomes common knowledge that you can trade up on your phone and still be very familiar with then new phone's workings, older people will be more likely to go ahead and get their subsidized phone.

Nokia will in a great position if they can make a slick FREE phone. Perhaps they're "only" paid $200-400 for the phone, it's more than they're getting from the carrier for the dumbphones they've made up until now. Also, there are millions and millions of people who pride themselves with the fact that they're smarter than everyone else by only getting the free models. "Why would I pay good money to get phone A when phone B is Free. All I want to do is make calls anyway?" Nokia's new slogan must be "FREE IS KEY" because their biggest customer is going to be their old market.

(Tongue-in-cheek)
I hate to say this, but the REAL race for the Smartphone space won't be until all the old customers ... um... how to put this delicately... Die. (I'd say from 50 on, so we're talking a lot of years. Then it's going to get interesting. It's not until it's just the people that really love cell phones (and want to re-up properly and get their new cell phone on time), will you be selling a ton of freaking phones! I stayed off this group by only 5 years so... whew!
(/Tongue-in-cheek)

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why in the world is this on a "Mac Rumors" website? who cares?????
Why in the world did you read this thread and bother with commenting if you didn't care?????? When I read the newspaper, I don't get upset with the New York Times that there's news in Page 6 that I don't care about -- I just turn the page and move on.
 
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Predictable. And possibly too little too late. Time will tell, definitely a symbiotic business relationship - they need each other.
 
This could be the start of something great for everyone. After all, competition drives your product of choice! :)

Yup.

I love how people on here regard this as some sort of death knell for both companies.

Had Google and Apple shareholders been given a say in this, do you really think they would have chosen this outcome? No, they would have preferred both companies to have remained separate.

As for the dumbphone/smartphone argument, those using Nokia dumbphones will naturally progress to using their smartphone counterparts. This is going to be made all the more easier now WP7 is onboard.

For the record, I'm an iPhone user. Without being patronizing, I just don't understand how blinkered some people can be on here.
 
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Predictable. And possibly too little too late. Time will tell, definitely a symbiotic business relationship - they need each other.

Yes, because RIGHT THIS MOMENT - they're both also-rans (Nokia may have great sales, but maybe for regular phones and right now, not in the minds of people who it's either iPhone or Android).

Time will definitely tell...
 
As much as WP7 is a VERY limited albeit quite handsome experience ppl here forget that there will be updates coming and by the time the first device will be shipped (Winter 2011), Windows Phone 8 will be looking rather competitive.

It’s iOs they’re competing against, not the ugliness that is Android.
 
Europeans? Which Europeans? Euro tech-heads?

The last thing the average European cares about is whether Android or Apple dominate the smartphone market. Europeans have no say in the matter until they decide to buy or not. It's all about Desperate Company 1 and Desperate Company 2 finding each other because their shareholders are probably fed up with the status quo.

Well, Google is one of the most hated companies in Germany and other European countries. They just won't buy or sign up for anything google. They are so afraid of data privacy and see Google as evil. Apple has the same elite reputation as in the US and many won't buy it because it's Apple (too locked down, too little choice, ....). MS is more accepted.

Anyway: Good luck Nokia.
 
Seems a bit desperate after all the work they've put in. They say "it's now a 3 horse race" – obviously didn't get the memo from HP ;)
I hate to say this, but even I though I liked everything in HP's announcement, it's probably obvious that Google and Apple (and any other competitor) is going to extract the best ideas out of it and incorporate it with their offerings.

HP should have resisted the temptation and released the product when it's ready, not announce it 6 months prior for every competitor to re-engineer.

Would HP have to go crawling back to Microsoft? I don't know.

Hey Nokia:
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