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I think this is probably too little too late for both companies getting anywhere in the smartphone market, but only time will tell.

True, they've got a lot of catch up to do. Still I like them with just about any other software then what they've been using. I just stopped using my Nokia and am back on the iPhone and its a world of difference. I don't have any experience with windows mobile, but I would be hard pressed to believe its worse than the old Nokia system.

Unfortunately, I think MS will see this as a way of shoving their other branded products onto these phone users and attempt to lock out other apps. Not a winning strategy in my book.
 
Yeah, really.

Nokia's dumbphone junk got lumped in with everything else.

It would be a lot higher than 100 million if they had...

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Can't say I'm shocked--Symbian S60 was ahead of its time back in 2003, and early on, its slow software progress was mitigated by class-leading hardware (for years, the best GSM cameraphones were Nokias--think N73, N90, N95, etc...). The Communicator line was like nothing else available, and had a loyal following that happily shelled out $700+ for the latest and greatest. I was a gigantic fan of Nokia's Symbian phones for a long time--the E90 Communicator is probably still the best phone I've ever had (untouchable build quality, an 800-pixel-wide display when VGA was the best you could get from anybody else, a nice autofocussing camera, the best hardware QWERTY in the business, and unlike many smartphones, fantastic call quality)--but round about 2008 or so, it seemed as though software progress stalled on Nokia's smartphones. Despite my dislike for many things about the iPhone, one place Apple deserves credit is for pushing major software updates for years on their phones, as opposed to a ship-and-forget mentality. Sadly, Nokia missed the boat on this a few years ago, and along with declining build quality, they didn't have much left to sell their product.

Yes, Nokia smartphones are everywhere in Europe etc--last time I was in Italy, you could get a free Symbian smartphone from almost every major carrier, and it wasn't uncommon to see high-end phones (the $500+ models), either. I've got little interest in WP7, so I don't see myself picking up a new Nokia any time soon (By coincidence, I'm out to go buy a new phone/plan this afternoon...)--but Nokia had to change directions, but fast, and their only real options were Android or WP7. If nothing else, they'll have a lot less competition within their niche.


On a related note, it's got to really sting for those who've (foolishly) bought a Symbian phone in the last year or so...they've pretty much been given the finger by Nokia with regard to software/developer support today. Not unlike what HPalm did by saying no WebOS2 for the Pre/Pixi(+).
 
So untrue, LMFAOBT. MS can just sit out the entire Apple hype until the fanboys find another shiny toy. MS will still be on top and Apple back in the mud. This deal with Nokia is actually a good show case of that, they're immediately No1 in phone business weather you like it or not. That's right now as we speak - No1.

What? MS number 1 in phone OS? No-No. Currently no NOKIA phone runs MS. and when they do, it will be on the smart phones only. Nokia's share of the smart phone market is currently small.

deadkennedy is guess is Steve Ballmer's screen name here...
 
What? MS number 1 in phone OS? No-No. Currently no NOKIA phone runs MS. and when they do, it will be on the smart phones only. Nokia's share of the smart phone market is currently small.

Only in the USA. Otherwise, Nokia sells twice as many smartphones as the nearest competitor.

So if every Nokia smartphone ran WP7, then yes it would immediately make it the number one smartphone OS in the world.

Looks like around 1,000 Nokia workers have left in protest

They used their flex hours to go home early, to protest not knowing yet if they still have a job.

Of course, in the USA, managers would choose those folks as the first to go!
 
bummer. it'd be much more compelling if they went with producing google's phones with android. i like nokia's hardware and android software would have been real nice.
 
Really? Nokia sell the most smartphones in the world. Though their market share is falling fast..

You're right... my bad. :) I had my info mixed up.

But... bottom line... we'll see. Honestly, I think it will have little affect on the iPhone as long as Apple continues to innovate and show the way.
 
Actually I think that this is quite big. Nokia has still a big market share and now Microsoft has a chance to increase Windows Phone's market share. On the other hand Nokia benefits from Windows Phone.
Many people love Nokia phones, especially in Europe. I am sure that this was a very good move and we will see Nokia and Microsoft gaining market share in two to three years.

Say what, they are by no means popular as they used to be in Europe.
Most of their cheap phones are sold elsewhere,especially in 3th world countries!
And symbian on a smartphone just doesn't make sense,crashes daily.
Not gaining market,just not losing it like they do now.
Nokia made a lot of big mistakes last few years and this will be their biggest,so I may hope.
 
We all know it's far too early to say what will happen, but it's going to be interesting.

One thing Apple fans, or anyone really must remember that the Windows Phone 7 is only on version 1 at the moment. Like the very 1st iPhone four years ago. They have had all this time to make changes, add things, tweak things into what it is today, following worldwide feedback from millions of customers.

I don't have a Windows Phone 7 phone, but I will give them the same slack to get it right that it's taken Apple to get where it is today.

I'm sure all current issues will be addressed and many enhancements made over the next few years. Of course, kids now around the world all playing with the Xbox360's may take a future interest if they can carry on their Xbox Live gaming onto their future mobiles.

Angry birds may not be enough for them.
 
One thing Apple fans, or anyone really must remember that the Windows Phone 7 is only on version 1 at the moment. Like the very 1st iPhone four years ago. They have had all this time to make changes, add things, tweak things into what it is today, following worldwide feedback from millions of customers.
I don't think a lot of us will be holding our breaths for Microsoft to deliver compelling or innovative OS.
 
Wonder how many people one here have actually used iOS, Android and WP7 phones for more than 5 minutes? Seems like a lot as so many people seem to be able to claim deep knowledge about each OS. All of them are great, Android started a bit slow and buggy but updates have ironed things out majorly since its first release. iOS is basically the same as when i got my first gen touch a few years ago. There have a been a few new features but it is principally the same. WP7 is very slick and has brought a new approach to mobile UI. The zune music player is also excellent.
 
Mr. Ballmer

brands he is bringing:
Bing
Office
XBox Live

Wow, these just happen to be the last 3 things that I want to do on a mobile phone.

Are you kidding me?

I can understand Bing and Xbox Live, but Office? I'd love to have it on my iPhone, i'd buy it from the appstore in a heart beat if it was available. Actually it's one of the main things it'd like on my smartphone.
 
So if every Nokia smartphone ran WP7, then yes it would immediately make it the number one smartphone OS in the world.

Ooops, I spoke before checking! Correction:

Even though implementing it immediately would give Microsoft over 31% of the world smartphone OS share, Android is still a few points higher at 33%.

It still would put WP7 on twice as many handsets as iOS (16%) or RIM (15%).

Microsoft scored huge with this.
 
Nokia didn't really have a choice.

This is not about market share. Nokia has market-share coming out of their wazoo.
This was about profitability.

Every useful device starts out with healthy profits and then starts a decline towards being a commodity. Once it's a commodity, the profit margin is a 5% or so. The manufacturer can't add any more value. The value add is simply derived from putting the parts together.

See Dell and HPs profits on Windows PCs.

Nokia's mobile phones arrived at the commodity stop before anyone else. So where now?

Android is a non-starter. because it too is headed for commodity status.
Yes, it's cheap and massively popular. but phone manufacturers have simply no way to add value. The value add is being done by Google. And Google are not motivated to assist individual manufacturers. Any device HTC can ship, can be matched by Motorola. Or worse, matched by some no-name Chinese manufacturer.

All such open platforms accelerate the decline to commodity.

Window is also a licensed platform, but Nokia may be able to slow the decline, if Nokia can outperform the other Microsoft licensees.

The move will allow Nokia to slash billions off its annual R&D budget. If that cash goes back on the balance sheet, it will allow several more years of survival. It might buy enough time for Nokia to properly develop its own technology.

Is this going to work for Nokia? Actually I doubt it. I don't think there is the will to make this work. In all likelihood, their profit per handset will go up, but their sales will go down.

Is this going to work for Microsoft? Actually I doubt if they care very much. But with Nokia's carrier relationship they will certainly be able to ship more WP7 handsets.

C.
 
Nokia's hardware has nearly always been brilliant and top of the line, while their OS has been clunky and not as easy to use.

Not true, back in the old days when mobile phones were about two times bigger and 4-5 times thicker(middle 90s)they had by far the most intuitive software which almost everybody could easily learn.
 
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Microsoft scored huge with this.

Don't count your chickens!

It has to sell those phones first. One of the reason Nokia sells so many is its razor thin margins. Nokia's motive in shifting platform was trying to reverse the commodity status it has acquired.

I would not expect it to convert all the current market-share into WP7.

But on balance, yes, Nokia has great ties to carriers, and should be able to shift a awful lot of WP7 devices.

C.
 
Those folks are with the OS division and it's very likely many of them will be taking that same walk for real in the future. Kind of sad really.

Those folks have had a 3 years opportunity, and $10B to get their house in order.

And all there was to show for it was an incomplete tablet OS and a cellphone OS with the worst user experience in the world.

I think they have gotten off lucky.

C.
 
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