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Nokia CEO Memo on Their "Burning Platform"
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I think what will happen is that Nokia will make a couple of WP7 phones, but only to buy them time and get a foothold in the American market. While this is happening Meego will be refined and their R+D will be streamlined. For reference Nokia R+D on mobile phone tech last year was $3.9 billion compared to Apples $800 million...
I do not think people realise just quite how big Nokia are. This is predominately an American based forum so the name Nokia has never really been big in your pond. However in Europe and the rest of the world they ARE ( yes I say ARE as they are still very profitable ) massive and synonymous with mobile phones.
I own an iPhone and I love it. However you write off Nokia at your peril, what they lack is organisation and efficiency which I believe the new CEO will bring. It will take about 3 year before Nokia is kicking arse again.
I do not think people realise just quite how big Nokia are. This is predominately an American based forum so the name Nokia has never really been big in your pond. However in Europe and the rest of the world they ARE ( yes I say ARE as they are still very profitable ) massive and synonymous with mobile phones.
I own an iPhone and I love it. However you write off Nokia at your peril, what they lack is organisation and efficiency which I believe the new CEO will bring. It will take about 3 year before Nokia is kicking arse again.
You are right -- Android will sell more units than Apple. That is a certainty. And Apple will reap more profits. Why, because "it's overpriced hardware bought by sheeple" or "it's an integrative platform that provides a lot more value above it's hardware specs". You decide; I don't care.
What? Guaranteed it's lot more profitable to sell software than hardware. Look at MS. Apple differentiates itself by hardware and software. It's hard to imagine a hardware manufacturer coming close.
That's not true. The iPhone is sold as an integrated platform to get things done. Android is not sold as anything (I've never seen a commercial for "Android"). The "droid does" campaign sold itself as an open, powerful platform to get things done on a mobile phone. Apple has sold apps -- android phones have sold features and "ability". I think there is a difference.
It is extraordinarily expensive to develop hardware. It can be very lucrative to be a software player (the incremental cost of software is near zero). The mobile platforms require a blend of both to be competitive. Google is sitting pretty... Apple is too. Google requires hw manufacturers to eat the cost of development and testing for a "free os".
Really, and no one speaks of them because they are successful?
speculation, but fine.
yes it is.
you're funny. a lot of developers make good money off of Apple's ecosystem. can you name an android developer that does?
So?
It already is.
I've had Nokia phones and they've all been great.
It'll take them 3 years IF AND ONLY IF they choose Android.
Windows Mobile and they'll just be another also-ran.
Anything else, and it'll be over...
A couple observations:
First, how did this guy survive at Microsoft? He seems to have his head screwed on right.
Second, this doesn't mean much. They need something. I have basically no allegiance to Nokia whatsoever. Before Apple, I was a Palm fan. Before that, motorola. So, we'll see.
Still, I hope they can come out with something that's really good. The market needs it.
First, how did this guy survive at Microsoft? He seems to have his head screwed on right.
Second, this doesn't mean much. They need something. I have basically no allegiance to Nokia whatsoever. Before Apple, I was a Palm fan. Before that, motorola. So, we'll see.
Still, I hope they can come out with something that's really good. The market needs it.
I've had Nokia phones and they've all been great.
It'll take them 3 years IF AND ONLY IF they choose Android.
Windows Mobile and they'll just be another also-ran.
Anything else, and it'll be over...
If you want to get your brand announced in the USA then Microsoft and WP7 is a much better way. There are so many Android phones out now, there is hardly anything to tell them apart. If Nokia chose Android, they would just become another number in a very large sea.
What Nokia will bring to WP7 is diversity. They will have their E range which is business orientated with say MS Office pre loaded. They will then have their N series which will be their high end so will have a bit of everything, good gpu, good camera etc. Then there will be their ExpressMusic series which would concentrate having good speakers for music. People forget that Apple would not have been able to build the iPhone without using tech that had been researched by Nokia many years ago.
Certainly not defunct.
Palm is now a big well funded division at HP, still shipping smartphones on multiple carriers, and about to announce a some new products and strategy at a big press conference tomorrow.
If anything, this division of HP is in a better position to compete with Apple than is either Nokia or Google. HP is vertically integrated, with their hardware design, massive manufacturing capability, broad distribution channels, enterprise services, and their own captive and shipping 3rd generation mobile OS more advanced than Symbian and more polished than Android in some areas. Even a (re)growing developer community.
Nokia may be underestimating a 3rd front against them in their battle for smartphone mindshare.
they're going to come up with a master plan in a whole 3 days... Brilliant. Glad to see they put some thought into it.
Fair enough -- they are not "defunct" but they are no longer Palm. Not because it was a marriage of equals, but because Palm needed a suitor (for cash) and got one (to no one's surprise).
Nokia is underestimating, but not because its CEO does not directly mention Palm in his note to his employees. He probably could care less about Palm (not because Palm is not a good platform).
HP is not better positioned (yet -- let's see tomorrow for the "big announcement") to compete against Apple and Android. They have to deliver a viable platform before we can start this debate. Windows 7 Mobile is a more viable platform than the Pre... it's recently released and fighting. Where is the Pre post merger? It's living on fumes and hopes.
People still buy Nokia? I thought they went out of style in the 80's.
NOKIA vs iPHONE
(I know, I know... Life's not fair.)
The phone on the left - that would be a Motorola one...
They're practically giving them away.
Nobody really wants Android. People buy them because they can't have iPhone.
Personally, I wish they'd sell the iPhone for $1,500 and just forget about Google. I don't ever want to see iPhone become a household item. I like the luxury aspect... Like pwning a Mac used to be.
That's the dumbest thing for this week.
More iPhones = better apps. Apps = phone. Without the apps the phone would be kinda stupid. Apps add functionality to a phone that no manufacturer could do on their own.
Apps = iPhone
iPhone = BETTER
The phone on the left - that would be a Motorola one...
what's the difference? There's iPhone and there's... The other guys
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Does your "Z" button not work?
Does your "Z" button not work?
I don't know how long he's been CEO of Nokia, but as the CEO of the company he should have himself to blame for the company's downfall. He never had took the leadership to stir the ship in the right direction. Lesson learned for him, I guess.
He took the helm five months ago. Their previous CEO (2005-2010) is now Chairman of the board of Nokia Siemens Networks.
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